T-90 Main Battle Tank #2

Hole wrote:

Whoever designed this cage really knows what they are doing.

First of all the cage is set at a height that clears both the gunners and the commanders multichannel sights while more importantly not allowing for an FPV to shimmy through. I've seen clever FPV pilots that slowly hover their way in the space between for earlier cages so its good that they've addressed this.

The hatches also look to be perfectly functional behind that light wire mesh screen though of course it doesn't have the ERA protection against more direct hits. Still, better to have that option when you need it than maybe improve protection against the literal hole in one chance of an FPV hitting a hatch.

They also only used a single layer of 4S20 reactive element this time which saved a lot of weight rather than using a whole block. This is key because the oblique diving trajectories of FPVs and top-attack ATGMs (both have to maintain LOS to the target so straight vertical drops just don't happen) means the second inclined tile packaged in the Kontakt-1 block is effectively useless - only the bottom flat tile effectively interacts with the cumulative jet in any meaningful way since relative to the projectile it is angled at more than 60 degrees.

Combined with the base roof ERA that top armor is now effectively resistant against tandem top-attack ATGMs like Spike and Javelin. Pretty cool, huh?

Ironic the enemy soldier gets older and they are adding the other gender, while the worker supporting the military machine that is wiping them out gets younger and includes both genders.

Kinda skip to around 8mins in. Putin goes into that they will increase funding for the technical schools to grow number of students for skilled workforce in the this field.

They will have their work cut out for them. The Russian military is going to recapitalize everything Soviet over the next 10-20 years. Tens of thousands of pieces of equipment will have to be mass manufactured in order to keep the edge over every conceivable opponent especially now that we know that the USSR's militarism was not for naught after all.

As a nice bonus this would free up the still massive stocks of Soviet weaponry to arm up every motherfucker with an ax to grind against the west. One could imagine a rerun of the decades spanning massive worldwide anti-colonialist insurrections fueled by Soviet arms surplus, only this time the west is no shape to contest a further weakening grip on the planet.

Hole wrote:


More roof armor

This steel plate under the ERA K1 is to thin. If you wanna to ERA work properly you need at least 35-40mm thick steel plate....

This steel plate under the ERA K1 is to thin. If you wanna to ERA work properly you need at least 35-40mm thick steel plate....

What do you mean?

This ERA does not need to stop the threat... this ERA is to set the threat off at a distance from the actual ERA and actual armour...

and BTW if ERA does not work if it is not covering 35-40mm of armour plate then ERA on tank tops has been a waste of time all this time because most tanks would be lucky to have 20mm of steel protection there... Leopards even less.

It stops drones dropping hand grenades or small munitions into the hatches of the tank turret... it creates a spaced layer above the tank turret that will be cold and not show up on thermal imagers like in Javelin missiles... so when you are in front of or beside a tank and you launch your missile you are looking at the tank and you see the heat from it but when your missile climbs up it sees the cage which is not hot and it can't find the tank target any more and misses.

I suspect soldiers in combat will realise they can't see up through it so they might as well put bedding and bulky kit on top for storage and added layers of protection.

Things that make it look less like a tank.

galicije83 wrote:
This steel plate under the ERA K1 is to thin. If you wanna to ERA work properly you need at least 35-40mm thick steel plate....

You're confusing the back plate of the container with the flyer plate for the reactive element tile. That container merely holds the reactive elements at the optimum strike angle for cumulative warheads coming in from the top. It doesn't need to be any thicker to do this (The face plate could be, but that is mainly against HMG fires and as far as I can tell they haven't managed a flying HMG - yet).

It actually exist TWO types of containers for ERA: one is light and blow up when the ERA elements blows up, others are quite heavy and does not tears when hit but only slip out a little on the front part to allow the overpressure of the explosion to exit out.
K-1 is of the first type, alls the other Russia used of the second one.
So, they alternatively put the K-1 on the roof for weight reason or developed a sturdier casing.

ERA on cage armour is spaced armour that has an effect in addition to actual ERA on the tank and of course the tank armour underneath the ERA itself.

Putting these ERA blocks on the cage armour is like putting ERA blocks on any cage armour... it is to set off HEAT rounds prematurely away from the main armour with the hope of deflecting or decreasing its effect.

This is not side on armour that might take KORNET or METIS hits directly, this is roof armour that is basically up against hand grenades and light top attack submunitions and Javelin missiles.

Hand grenades are effectively nullified by this armour because to be effective it has to hit optics or go into open hatches which this roof armour prevents.

As I mentioned this stuff will be cold compared with the heated engine deck so a Javelin would have trouble getting a lock in combat.

And because the US ran out of conventional ammo and had to send submunition warheads (which is a war crime in fact) then this armour is actually very useful because most top attack submunition rounds that are little HEAT rounds like the PTAB series of soviet munitions only penetrate 100-200mm so ERA half a metre away from the actual armour and then more ERA and the actual roof armour is most likely going to stop such munitions from doing a lot of damage.

The cost is probably a few hundred dollars and a few hours putting it together and a minor increase in weight for the result... a safer tank.

Money and time well spent.

If you are asking me, he is trying to convince us how little to share he has, no matter the nice avatar.

There is no need to be rude.

Whether you agree or disagree should not matter, there is no need to get personal.

He is not rude to others and does not claim to always be right about anything or everything... just dial it down and cut him some slack please.

@galicije83

Ja se divim tvojoj upornosti da ulazis u raspravu sa debilima, koji te vredjaju na licnoj osnovi ako imas drugacije misljenje. Moja ti je preporuka da batalis da gubis vreme ovde i lepo odes na nas forum na mycity military sekciju, gde ljudi ne vredjaju jedni druge druge zbog razlika u misljenjima.

Wow.... lots to unpack...

First of all @caveat emptor, as you well know this is an English language forum so the use of English or an English summary is compulsary... this is rule number 11.

11] This is an English language forum so do not post in any language without an English translation or summary, that includes Russian.

Second, rule number 5,

5] Do not advertise other forums or Blogs or Vlogs (that includes linking to them)

The fact that you posted in Croatian to avoid being understood means you knew you were breaking the rules and also insulting others,  I am not going to ignore this when compounded with your recruiting for another forum.

If you or anyone else wants to leave you are free to do so, I will not beg anyone to stay, but while you post here you obey the rules.

If you have forgotten them or want a refresh:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t67-read-rdf-rules-and-regulations

Giving you a two week ban,  caveat emptor for breaking two rules, but the English language rule is for communication, but you were trying to bypass moderation so you get an extra week for that.

For other members not fluent in Croatian:

He said:

I admire your persistence in arguing with idiots who insult you on a personal basis if you have a different opinion. My advice to you is to waste your time here and go to our forum on mycity military section, where people do not insult each other because of differences of opinion.

Sole idea if you will use your endemic Slav language to offend the other members and fly under the radar is hilarious, knowing that we have multiple Slav community here. Some of them are quite skilled in languages

Not to mention ignorant AngloSaxons mods who can use Yandex translate pages.

You know best that I am hardly ever rude.

Which is why I picked it up...

Sick and tired sometimes, hearing the scale of shit all around. Might be.

I understand, but I think galicije83 got more than he deserved in this case... it is easy enough taking a lot of shit from different directions and then biting the head off the next guy who bothers you, but he was not totally wrong... you can't just put ERA blocks on body armour and think that you are now safe from 30mm and up cannon fire.

You have a hurt ego example right up, using Serbian to offend the community after getting some whipes o his ass.

Actually Yandex describes it as Croatian...