Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

That isnt what I have asked. I repeat, what was it that Putin said? And use quotes, not your interpretation.

As well, most people praised Putins speech, as it was one of the few (besides president of belarus and kazakhstand speech) that was meaningfull. Obamas was a joke.

sepheronx wrote:That isnt what I have asked. I repeat,  what was it that Putin said? And use quotes, not your interpretation.

As well, most people praised Putins speech, as it was one of the few (besides president of belarus and kazakhstand speech) that was meaningfull. Obamas was a joke.

He didn't say anything other than Assad is the only one who fights jihadists.

ultron wrote:

sepheronx wrote:That isnt what I have asked. I repeat,  what was it that Putin said? And use quotes, not your interpretation.

As well, most people praised Putins speech, as it was one of the few (besides president of belarus and kazakhstand speech) that was meaningfull. Obamas was a joke.

He didn't say anything other than Assad is the only one who fights jihadists.

Are you trying to avoid this because you know you are wrong?

ultron wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:RuAF already fried some clowns who tried to shell Latakia base after they landed so that cherry has already been popped...  

A Serb talking big. How about you Serbs get back Yugoslavia, at least Kosovo and Montenegro and stop being a small landlocked country?

And why would Serbs want Yugoslavia back? It was not Serbian country. It was artificial construct and Communist dictatorship which over 5 decades facilitated dislocation and ethnic cleansing of millions of Serbs from their homes. We were slaves in our own homes.
Civil war in the 90's was grand finale of the whole project.

Kosovo (the desirable parts) will be processed in due time, Bosnia will reach it's expiration date and as for Montenegro (soon to be known as North Albania) they can all go f*ck themselves.

Technically I should be Montenegrin myself even though I live in north Serbia. But I am Serb. I stopped being Montenegrin along with rest of my extended family the moment that that political abomination started mentioning word "independence".

Soon they will all be erased by their new southern brothers as they all deserve to be.

Serbia will prevail. Now and forever.      

I will take honest Albanian neighbor over fake Serb any day of the week.




And now that I finally reached my desktop PC, I hereby relegate you to ignore list....for the third time.  
Thank you and go f*ck yourself, your parents, siblings and above all your degenerate offspring.  

Putin knows Obama's all talk, no action!
By Michael Goodwin  Published September 28, 2015
Here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/28/putin-knows-obamas-all-talk-no-action.html

Pope Francis gave him a boost, Republican Speaker John Boehner is sobbing off into the sunset, and China’s Xi Jinping gave him paper promises on the environment and cybertheft. No wonder President Obama is feeling cocky.

So much so that his press secretary was eager to portray his boss as way, way tougher than Vladimir Putin.

In a ridiculous bid to reduce geopolitical clashes to playground posturing, Josh Earnest told the press corps that the reports that Obama had requested a meeting with Putin were flat-out wrong. The truth, Earnest insisted, was that Putin was “desperate” for a meeting and that Obama, after “repeated requests” from the Russians, had deigned to see him Monday in New York.

The one-upmanship continued, The New York Times reported, when Earnest played body-language analyst to mock Putin. Pointing to a recent picture of the Russian leader with Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu, Earnest noted that “President Putin was striking a now-familiar pose of less-than-perfect posture and unbuttoned jacket and, you know, knees spread far apart to convey a particular image.”

No doubt fear stalks the Kremlin and Putin is quaking. Barack Obama is mad at him and letting the whole world know!

Obama no clue. US media say the joke!

EU leader look the Ru help

in more US imperialism wars..

Surprise , surprise..  
How surprising it is for anyone.. that Taliban "Rebels" in Afganistan..
from all the cities they could take inside the country., they capture the one most closer to
Tajikistan where Russia have a military base ?      

Afghanistan: Taliban seize Kunduz from Afghan National Army





Talibans with american military hardware.. what a surprise.
NATO still have forces in Afganistan.. airforce and tanks and lots of attack drones.. yet.. they
can bomb civilians every day.. but they cannot bomb in daylight Talibans in a city celebrating
its capture. .

This operation have 100% the signature of another more Proxy intervention of American Government gainst Russia.  How hard is to predict that United states Government will
try to turn into flames all border nations of Russia ,or the ones that Russia have the major
economic /security interest for its nation?

From that city they will move upwards towards Russia.. This is the new war Americans cooking
against Russia.. Its Economic Warfare .  And its only goal is to get Russian Army overwhelmed across the entire Russia federation territory.. or allied nations.. is a war that Russia cannot allow to expand beyond Afganistan ..because will pull them into a direct conflict
with the conflict.. ie..  Americans CIA are trying to create again another Soviet vs Afgan war..
but this time in many war zones at the same time.

So you have one front in Ukraine.. another in Syria  , in a matter of few months you will see
Tajikistan attacked too (that is right at the border with afganistan taken city) how surprising..  .. then Kaliningrad will experience their own "rebels" smuggled from Poland.. and if they really desperate ,they will try to smuggle jihadist into northern Russia.. to force Russian army
spread .

Russia all it needs to do to stop american imperialism.. is restore Syria and IRAQ security with an alliance of ASIA.. and reverse the proxy wars against Americans.. that is supply thousands of weapons to Saudis to overthrow its government.. and get a PRO RUSSIAN government in power. That will destroy US economy.. since will significanty devalue the US dollar and no longer they will have money to maintain its imperialism.. and become just a regional power again. Losing control of Europe too.

In any case..
The very fact that The American gov and its Pentagon with help of CIA,is now trying to get into Russia from the south and will try luck with Tajikistan.. is good news.. ^^ This is because
they are now out of ideas.. and really desperate to try to repeat a new
Afgan vs Soviet scenario + Collapse of economy of Soviet Union scenario.... Which is what
caused its disband.. Russia did not have the money to send troops /Army/Police to counter
the unrest in Ukraine ,Georgia ,baltics and other soviet republics asking for independence and
had to capitulate and allow them to split.. THIS.. is what americans want..  Unfortunately for them , they are doomed to fail.. Russia today is not the Soviet Union.. Most of Society backs the government (contrary to soviet times) and they much better informed of how the west is trying non stop to create civil unrest in Russia and damage its economy and that this is the real reason why Americans support conflicts at their borders and supply weapons to the side "by coincidence"  that oppose Russia.

The same Taliban that recently called Iran an "Islamic state" but said ISIS is "an organization"? Kunduz is a Pashto enclave in the north - they won't have so much success in Tajik majority areas.

And if Russia is so damn sure that US Government wants to destroy it, then why doesn't it retaliate and destabilize USA?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And if Russia is so damn sure that US Government wants to destroy it, then why doesn't it retaliate and destabilize USA?

Russia's elite prefers partnership with the West.

JohninMK wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

ultron wrote:Putin will never do air strikes in Syria without UNSC approval because it would be illegal, and the US will never approve of Russian bombing in Syria.

Any reason why you ignore what Putin said despite quoting him on that issue?

Yes, he is a troll. We have just had a period on virtually complete sensibleness on the site after his previous name was zapped but it looks like he is now back winding, especially new posters like Militarov, up.

The rest of us try to ignore his ramblings and dis/mis-information. This is sad really as in the past he has posted some good stuff.

You really do have to give a slow clap for this chap; he's kept this going for years, and successfully too.

He still sometimes gets me too, when I forget who he is.

Obama has turned Putin into the world’s most powerful leader
By Benny Avni September 29, 2015 | 1:21am
Here: http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/obama-has-turned-putin-into-the-worlds-most-powerful-leader/

The baton was officially transferred Monday to the world’s new sole superpower — and Vladimir Putin willingly picked it up.
President Obama (remember him?) embraced the ideals espoused by the United Nations’ founders 70 years ago: Diplomacy and “international order” will win over time, while might and force will lose.

Putin, too, appealed to UN laws (as he sees them), but he also used his speech to announce the formation of a “broad international coalition” to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Oh, and if anyone wondered which Syrian players the coalition would rely on as allies, Putin made it clear: “No one but President [Bashar al-]Assad’s armed forces and Kurd militia are fighting the Islamic State.”

That, of course, isn’t Obama’s view. America’s president said he opposed the “logic of supporting tyrants.” After all, Assad “drops barrel bombs on innocent children.”

But Putin has troops in Syria, is arming Assad to the teeth and signed a pact of anti-ISIS intelligence-sharing with Assad, Iran and the leaders of Iraq (the ones America fought to put in power).

Obama’s speech was, as ever, full of promise. His turn from using “might” to claiming to have “right” on his side and relying on diplomacy have led to America’s opening up to Cuba and a key deal with Iran on nukes. But these are yet to yield positive results. “If this deal is implemented,” he said of Iran, “our world is safer.” Big if.

By contrast, Putin’s deployment of forces in Syria and arming of Assad create facts on the ground. They have also propelled him to the top by taking initiative on today’s most consequential world fight.

Although Obama received much less applause during his Monday speech than in past years, he’s still well-liked at the world body. Yet those who count, the ones he scolded in his speech — Putin, Assad, China’s Xi Jinping and even Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani — weren’t in their seats to hear his words.

Because as forceful as Obama’s words are, they’re rarely backed by action.

Even US hate the Obama!

Wow so sad

Screenshot of Su-30SMs in Syria, again from a french TV program. Anybody knows the video?

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And if Russia is so damn sure that US Government wants to destroy it, then why doesn't it retaliate and destabilize USA?

Russia's elite prefers partnership with the West.

For now. Most are old or facing backlash at home so give it time.

Exactly, Book...

That Putin guy is so goddamn powerful that when Americans and their allies started supporting rebels in Syria, he could do nothing to stop them and limited his support to minor arms shipments. Same with Ukraine. He got some luck that about half of Ukraine is made of Russians - if the events were taking place in Poland, they would take a much different turn.

IF Russia did not have NBC weapons, it would be considered a regional power at best - basically Germany/Japan/Brazil/Turkey, with a larger army. Without the threat of NBC's a Turkey+Israel combo could fight all of Russian army to a draw at least.

I also warn all Europeans in this forums. .their nations are in a serious Risk..
of experiencing another  Yugoeslavia/Serbia .. If you notice the tactics that Americans
are using in Middle east.. that allows mercenaries groups to easily take control of American
military hardware Opps..  No longer Talibans or alqaeda use cheap weapons but now American and NATO one.

Any military base of Americans in Europe for example..
Could be used as a trojan horse to smuggle hundred of thousands of
terrorist..Since those nations do not control what things US ARMY move inside in planes..
and create a major false flag event that allows Muslins to take control of nuclear weapons..
or chemical dangerous weapons or biological ones.. from an american military base in Europe
"By mistake".

How a false flag could work?

1)First US government announce changes and restructuring (Bullshit) of its military
bases and united some of them and disband others..  (a justification for significantly lowering the security and military personal) .    

2)Then Suddenly a major unrest start in that country.... like Ukraine with major protest..
all created by Americans.. to keep busy the government security.

3)Suddenly from "the nothing" well armed Terrorist (that came from the same military base of Americans or from Turkey Refugees) over run an american military base.. with the few American soldiers left defending it.. Running away of it..  

4)Terrorist takes control of a huge stock pile of weapons with lots of man pads and portable missiles. Courtesy of US pentagon. The suddenly terrorist armed with portable american nukes will "magically know how to detonates them.. in European cities" creating chaos and confusion.
and a major war too..

All this might look like fantasy.. but happened already in IRAQ.. Mosul city was captured
by ISIL without firing a single shot.. and took control of Thousands of humvees ,manpads and
lethal missiles.  THis means that the CIA ,the probabilities will try to repeat this false flag scenario in Europe.. are 100% possible. They smuggle trained military terrorist there..in Europe
and later all Americans needs to do..is claim "incompetence" for they capturing their military bases... leave their bases and allow terrorist to capture their weapons .

European countries that have American have military bases.. better start building Military bases
around the american ones.. and create an impenetrable zone that nothing could enter or leave
any military base of americans without their close supervision.  Also with anti aircraft defenses NOT in control of NATO.. around US military bases in Europe.. Because those bases will be used
by Americans like a trojan horse ,to overthrow any Government not loyal to them or simple to totally destroy with with a jihadist invasion. IF europe wants to survive ,from their own allies , better start creating their own local armies.. and be prepared to leave NATO and demand US
government to shutdown their militay bases.

Anyone who reach the conclusion that American Anglozionist imperialism are using Islam as a weapon against Russia or any nation important for its economic interest.. they will be 100%
correct. and the tactics are the same.. as the soviet Afgan war.. CIA supply weapons either directly to terrorist or indirectly by organizing of terrorist taking control of heavy American military hardware without firing a shot.

The weapons that ISIS took in Mosul was mostly crap - old, decrepit Humvees, trucks, some small arms. There was nothing with more battlefield worth than an RPG-7 outside of 6 howitzers with GPS-guided sheels that weren't enough to change outcomes on even a tactical level.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:The weapons that ISIS took in Mosul was mostly crap - old, decrepit Humvees, trucks, some small arms. There was nothing with more battlefield worth than an RPG-7 outside of 6 howitzers with GPS-guided sheels that weren't enough to change outcomes on even a tactical level.

You are wrong.. ISIS took abram tanks and TOW missiles.. and humvees in the thousands..
There are tons and tons of videos of youtube of ISIS using american/NATO weapons..
to proof your wrong.

This comes from a US government online source..

The ISIS fleet of captured U.S. military vehicles, including M1A1 tanks, grew by more than 100 when Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) fled the provincial capital of Ramadi 60 miles west of Baghdad and abandoned their equipment , Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/20/isis-captures-hundreds-of-us-vehicles-and-tanks-in-ramadi-from-i.html

in mosul they captured thousands of american hunvees and weapons too..

here this is not "useless weapons"



weapons worth of $50k each.. they captured in the many thounsand.
and with the know hows to use them.. Anyone who thinks Americans is not arming ISIS
with lethal weapons is an idiot or the reason of their success . Nothing of this happens
by "mistake" , You have an US airforce coalition or "Freedom fighters" that by "mistake drop weapons in ISIS zone or give weapons to them. again and again.. they supply weapons to terrorist and later claim it was by "mistake" they did it. Opps.

“The Iraqi intelligence sources reiterated that the US military planes have airdropped several aid cargoes for ISIL terrorists to help them resist the siege laid by the Iraqi army, security and popular forces,” Iraqi intelligence claimed in December.

“What is important is that the US sends these weapons to only those that cooperate with the Pentagon and this indicates that the US plays a role in arming the ISIL.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/08/us-airdrops-weapons-to-isil-as-iraqi-army-makes-gains/

There is not worse blind ,that the one that don't want to see.. US is supplying ,arming
and training ISIS... with lethal weapons and the reason they are strong is precisely
because US backs them with logistic ,training and deadly weapons.. and the whole US air coalition is a fraud.. is only there to help ISIS with logistic of IRAQ and Syrian army positions and with "air drops of weapons by mistake" not to fight them.

The "mistakes" have gone zone far of bombing Iraqui army position in iraq and Syrian army position several times..Opps. when they beating the terrorist too much. same with Israel
that us its Airforce to provide cover to the terrorist fighting near golam against Syria.

mack8 wrote: ... but the Ka-52 does have smaller vertical surfaces at the end of the stabilizers no?

Yes, it does, but they are very small surfaces, and they are not toed in. Ka-52 also has a large central vertical stabilizer.

SO far we have not seen a single Abrams used by ISIS. Abrams is not a tank that can be used by every peasant - it's a rather complicated machine and using it requires at least several months of training. IF you aren't trained, you wouldn't even be able to start it's engine.

BTW Have you even thought WHAT would happen to US economy if Europe lapsed into a civil war? The largest (or 2nd largest - dunno) US trade partner collapses and then what? WIll US companies that exported to Europe simply say "hey, after all we don't need our products, we will drop them to the sea"? What about US companies importing from Europe?

Let's not delve into details about how possible it would be for someone to bring dozens of thousands of armed men into a developed country without anyione noticing that.

Vann7 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:The weapons that ISIS took in Mosul was mostly crap - old, decrepit Humvees, trucks, some small arms. There was nothing with more battlefield worth than an RPG-7 outside of 6 howitzers with GPS-guided sheels that weren't enough to change outcomes on even a tactical level.

You are wrong.. ISIS took abram tanks and TOW missiles.. and humvees in the thousands..
There are tons and tons of videos of youtube of ISIS using american/NATO weapons..
to proof your wrong.

This comes from a US government online source..

The ISIS fleet of captured U.S. military vehicles, including M1A1 tanks, grew by more than 100 when Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) fled the provincial capital of Ramadi 60 miles west of Baghdad and abandoned their equipment , Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/20/isis-captures-hundreds-of-us-vehicles-and-tanks-in-ramadi-from-i.html

in mosul they captured thousands of american hunvees and weapons too..

I dont recall Iraqis being delivered TOWs, if i recall correctly US denied that coz of fears they would end up in wrong hands. HMMWV is just vehicles, its not real combat asset, so fact that they captured 2.300 of those does not have big impact overall. Iraqis to my knowledge only operated small numbers of Iranian built Toophan.



Also M1A1s they captured were very few, and they were destroyed in next couple of days in airstrikes, they werent even operating them, rather just taking pictures.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:SO far we have not seen a single Abrams used by ISIS. Abrams is not a tank that can be used by every peasant - it's a rather complicated machine and using it requires at least several months of training. IF you aren't trained, you wouldn't even be able to start it's engine.

BTW Have you even thought WHAT would happen to US economy if Europe lapsed into a civil war? The largest (or 2nd largest - dunno) US trade partner collapses and then what? WIll US companies that exported to Europe simply say "hey, after all we don't need our products, we will drop them to the sea"? What about US companies importing from Europe?

Let's not delve into details about how possible it would be for someone to bring dozens of thousands of armed men into a developed country without anyione noticing that.

Just because you don't see them.. doesn't means they are not there.. IRAQUI army says it.
ISIL captured american tanks hundreds of them.. so i don't think they are lying.. i think you are merely trying to downplay the american government participation in supplying ISIS and Alqaeda with weapons.  They just recently confirmed a shipment of american weapons falled in Alqaeda hands.. "opps" again..  for the 12232433545465675758768686 thousand of time.. they by
mistake give weapons and fall in the hands of Terrorist.. Opps.

Pentagon says U.S.-trained rebels gave weapons to militants in Syria

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-rebels-pentagon-20150925-story.html


Opps.. opps opps opps opps.. oppss..  
The US government and pentagon simply are no longer cares about hiding its support for terrorism.. because they know IDIOTS like you will still support them and always diminish
their criminal role helping spread terrorism. It will not take long before Americans give
tactical nukes to ISIS and will kill a millions with that.. and idiots like you will continue saying how little is american support for them.. Americans began third world war in Syria in 2011.
Jihadist from 80 countries fight in Syria.. and all those foreigners are exported in Syria from Turkey NATO military base. Is a US war for the isolation of Russia economy with the goal of more easily collapsing it..and disbanding it...Why none of the US allies in the middle east invaded by ISIS or Alqaeda. Syria and Ukraine are connected wars..and all have the same American objective of pulling Russia into the conflict.. with the goal of sabotage of Russia economic interest.

Vann7 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:SO far we have not seen a single Abrams used by ISIS. Abrams is not a tank that can be used by every peasant - it's a rather complicated machine and using it requires at least several months of training. IF you aren't trained, you wouldn't even be able to start it's engine.

BTW Have you even thought WHAT would happen to US economy if Europe lapsed into a civil war? The largest (or 2nd largest - dunno) US trade partner collapses and then what? WIll US companies that exported to Europe simply say "hey, after all we don't need our products, we will drop them to the sea"? What about US companies importing from Europe?

Let's not delve into details about how possible it would be for someone to bring dozens of thousands of armed men into a developed country without anyione noticing that.

Just because you don't see them.. doesn't means they are not there.. IRAQUI army says it.
ISIL captured american tanks hundreds of them.. so i don't think they are lying.. i think you are merely trying to downplay the american government participation in supplying ISIS and Alqaeda with weapons.  They just recently confirmed a shipment of american weapons falled in Alqaeda hands.. "opps" again..  for the 12232433545465675758768686 thousand of time.. they by
mistake give weapons and fall in the hands of Terrorist.. Opps.

Pentagon says U.S.-trained rebels gave weapons to militants in Syria

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-rebels-pentagon-20150925-story.html


Opps.. opps opps opps opps.. oppss..  
The US government and pentagon simply are no longer cares about hiding its support for terrorism.. because they know IDIOTS like you will still support them and always diminish
their criminal role helping spread terrorism.

Only intact M1A1 that was captured in Iraq was the one being hauled around by Iraqi Hezbollah. The rest was either badly damaged or destroyed very soon on basically same spot where they were captured by USAF.

Here you can see it in the video:


But all we know it never saw any combat, it might be even destroyed by now in airstrikes, since they were primary target of first airstrikes so they do not end up in hands of third party (China, Iran, Russia...).

All Abrams were deployed in Baghdad region and Anbar when Mosul fell. Not a single one was in Mosul, the ones lost in Ramadi were almost all through damage. None were in use by the terrorists only destroyed. As for ATGW, the first ATGW Iraq bought was from Russia the KORNET-E, that also is the only one the army has. IS mostly captured old humvees which they use for suicide attacks, but I don't think that number exceeds a 1000. There's false information going around.

mack8 wrote:Screenshot of Su-30SMs in Syria, again from a french TV program. Anybody knows the video?

http://lci.tf1.fr/monde/moyen-orient/exclu-20h-de-tf1-les-premieres-images-des-avions-russes-en-syrie-8663007.html i belive this would be the source for those photos, same this video, tho there MIGHT exist longer version, but i do not speak French...so excuse me.



Shot of gunship helicopters from the same video.

"Russian markings removed on Su-24 deployed to Latakia - subterfuge raises possibility of transfer to Syria Air Force"



"Prob removal of Russia markings on less transferrable Su-30SM at Latakia in Syria supts identification concealment not transfer"

Source: https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/648825767950950400

Militarov wrote:

"Russian markings removed on Su-24 deployed to Latakia - subterfuge raises possibility of transfer to Syria Air Force"



"Prob removal of Russia markings on less transferrable Su-30SM at Latakia in Syria supts identification concealment not transfer"

Source: https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/648825767950950400

If Russia wants to hide bombing flights against jihadists, don't even bother. American military satellites can see every Russian flight. Americans will never allow Russians to bomb jihadists because Americans use jihadists to kill Russians.