Hehe notice the terrorist in the end.. body language.. they are in desperation/hopeless mode already several of them.. "what a tragedy ,what are we going to do now?" is what their body language says.... the terrorist now are scared and no one can deny this..
WIll have been nicer is a second missile strike the same place to get all the terrorist . Russia could device a bomb that appears to "fail" and does't explode.. creating a crater on ground but as soon is lifted from ground explode.. or detonated by a drone the real bomb..by control remote..
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3 out 4 hits failed. 250kg are not blockbusters but were used on rather big buildings with only one direct hit, certainly not the best thing. I have heared the KAB-1500Kr guided bombs are far better in accuracy.
We don't know which was their real intended targets to call it a "Failure".
IF you look at the videos of All Russian bombings ,they do not seem to be targeting buildings but instead underground bunkers ,weapon storages ,radars ,communication antennas.. all those things that you will not find usually inside buildings. I don't think the Russian airforce "Failed" its objective. .they train a lot precision bombing in Russia.. So i think is a bit extreme call a bombing a "Failure" if we don't know exactly what was Russia really targeting..
The cross hair in the camera is not from the plane ,but apparently from drones monitoring the success of any bombing. It could be "fail" but it could be a direct hit too.. we don't really know until we understand first what really Russia was aiming.. as far i have seen is weapons storages, radars ,communications and command centers but also positions of terrorist leaders and western advisors exact locations.
In more news.. Obama top advisors recommend US to give up with Syria.. Hopefully the US elite will listen and do it to avoid a major war.
High-level security advisors to US President Barack Obama recommended that the US should withdraw its military forces from Syria and abandon plans of Assad’s resignation, DWN wrote.
Instead of helping Russia to crash Islamic militants in Syria, France is doing the opposite – helping al-Qaeda-linked terrorists, said Marine Le Pen, the leader of French National Front party.France Protects al-Qaeda Affiliates, Should Help Russia Instead
This is.. exactly what i was saying about Public opinion.. The more public opinion sides with Russia ,the more difficult will be for Americans to justify their war in Syria.. If American citizens today.. really cared about avoiding world war 3.. they will be protesting in all US cities by now in the millions demanding US to stop the illegal war in Syria .. Americans can organize and do thousands protest for GMO food.. but not for avoiding world war 3...
Video is def from the jet not the drone. It was targeting manpower with such small bombs. Actually them hitting or not hitting the complex is not the point. Those bombs were dropped to kill beardies, not destroy the building. As Werewolf said they are 250 kg bombs.
Vann7 wrote: Hehe notice the terrorist in the end.. body language.. they are in desperation/hopeless mode already several of them.. "what a tragedy ,what are we going to do now?" is what their body language says.... the terrorist now are scared and no one can deny this..
WIll have been nicer is a second missile strike the same place to get all the terrorist . Russia could device a bomb that appears to "fail" and does't explode.. creating a crater on ground but as soon is lifted from ground explode.. or detonated by a drone the real bomb..by control remote..
Just listen to the desperate voice on the radio. That should tell you enough about what state they are in. I remember yesterday's video in which Hinds were flying dangerously low and strafing those small fortified positions. First you hear screaming and then the chatter dies down. Also tells you enough.
Saudi defense minister to come to Moscow to compromise on Syria. Saudi defense minister coming to Moscow
The head of the Defense Minister of Saudi Arabia, Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is coming to Moscow for an official visit on Sunday, October 11, the Kommersant newspaper reports citing a source at the Embassy of Saudi Arabia. According to the newspaper, the prince is scheduled to meet Russian President Putin in Sochi, where he will also attend Russia's Formula 1 Grand Prix race. This will be Mohammed Bin Salman's second visit to Russia this year, Pravda.Ru reports.
The visit of the Saudi official to Moscow against the backdrop of Russia's anti-terrorist operation in Syria, which Saudi Arabia remains vehemently opposed to, may indicate Riyadh's willingness to compromise with Moscow. Saudi Arabia hopes to change Moscow's attitude towards the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, promising strategic partnership and multi-billion-dollar projects.
Noteworthy, Saudi Arabia remains one of the most ardent opponents to Bashar al-Assad.
Earlier, Saudi Minister for Foreign Affairs Adel al-Jubeir announced the existence of only two solutions to the Syrian conflict. It is not ruled out, though, that Saudi Arabia may mitigate its stance on Syria and improve ties with the Russian Federation, experts believe.
Too late for the Saudi's and other GCC vermin, their politically motivated overtures at recent Russian arms expos were clear as glass, they were blatant attempts to bribe Russia to forgive and forget acts of war financed by their nepotist Wahabbist filth. They thought they can get away with delivering ATGM's to their medieval mercenary armies in areas where the Russian military was actively operating in, and they think the Russian MOD would take that lying down, without a asymmetrical response lol?
It's time for Russia to prove again why the Caspian Sea is so strategic, this time cut a deal with Iran and establish a constellation of ECM warfare assets on the coast of the Persian Gulf, and Murmansk-BN (delivered via the Caspian Sea) should have enough range to blanket Yemen, and transform it in to a low tech war. It's time to make Yemen the 'Vietnam War' for the GCC vermin.
Ok someone explain to me who is this guy? and if this is important major change a big deal for Europe Russia relations or not?
Germany: EU can't let US 'dictate' its relationship with Russia - Juncker
I don't understand a lot how the European Union leadership is organized ..but seems like what he says is a big deal... and Europe is sending a message to United States?
1)Will this was triggered by the Syrian illegal war? 2)The Russian sanctions hurting Europe economy? 3) The $20 billions lawsuit of USA on germany volkswagen? in retaliation for their friendly stand to Russia over Ukraine? 4)The refugee crisis in Europe (caused by US policies in middle east) that have very annoyed the EU.
On a similar note.. this protest of European leaders.. might have triggered US to soften its stance on Syria ? of holding the financial help of jihadist rebels for the moment?
it looks like Something is happening in Europe ,that seems contradict US policies of isolation of Russia but also its policies in Ukraine and middle east too..
Vann7 wrote:Ok someone explain to me who is this guy? and if this is important major change a big deal for Europe Russia relations or not?
Germany: EU can't let US 'dictate' its relationship with Russia - Juncker
I don't understand a lot how the European Union leadership is organized ..but seems like what he says is a big deal... and Europe is sending a message to United States?
1)Will this was triggered by the Syrian illegal war? 2)The Russian sanctions hurting Europe economy? 3) The $20 billions lawsuit of USA on germany volkswagen? in retaliation for their friendly stand to Russia over Ukraine? 4)The refugee crisis in Europe (caused by US policies in middle east) that have very annoyed the EU.
On a similar note.. this protest of European leaders.. might have triggered US to soften its stance on Syria ? of holding the financial help of jihadist rebels for the moment?
it looks like Something is happening in Europe ,that seems contradict US policies of isolation of Russia but also its policies in Ukraine and middle east too..
Forget him, the biggest advocate for NWO/EU/US and all those problems beeing created on behalf of US. That is a paid shill and responsible for blackmailing many things and agendas on other EU countries, like sanctions on russia, so never trust what a snake says, never!
I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).
AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.
you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N
seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully
you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,
are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.
the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??
and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.
we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther
i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"
your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse
Hehe notice the terrorist in the end.. body language.. they are in desperation/hopeless mode already several of them.. "what a tragedy ,what are we going to do now?" is what their body language says.... the terrorist now are scared and no one can deny this..
WIll have been nicer is a second missile strike the same place to get all the terrorist . Russia could device a bomb that appears to "fail" and does't explode.. creating a crater on ground but as soon is lifted from ground explode.. or detonated by a drone the real bomb..by control remote..
was thinking the same, if the target is important they will come back to it, so better watch it with UAV's and be ready fior a second strike
I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).
AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.
you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N
seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully
you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,
are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.
the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??
and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.
we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther
i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"
your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse
"Arguments", right Me troll? Right....
Listen, never, never reply to me please, coz i am sick and tired of people like you . Also stop insulting people around you might just as well get banned for that not only blocked by people.
I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).
AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.
you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N
seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully
you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,
are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.
the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??
and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.
we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther
i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"
your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse
"Arguments", right Me troll? Right....
Listen, never, never reply to me please, coz i am sick and tired of people like you . Also stop insulting people around you might just as well get banned for that not only blocked by people.
oh what did you posted? were you adressed somthing real? i fell stupid i made the 5min effort to actaully reply to you then and describe the situation on the ground only to get a BS propaganda post as a reply adressing nothing i said = trolling
go on spread propaganda, keep on cheering like the cheerleader you are
This kind of propaganda can serve to provide one or more data-points about the situation.
It is almost always indicative of a propaganda trick that involves the reversal of the facts; therefore, in this case, it almost certainly (~100% certainty) is indicative of Russians having shot down more Turkish aircraft during the enforcement of the no-fly-zone.
Hard to say... those videos are taken from aircraft that have already flown over the target... likely from medium or high altitude.
To determine how accurate those attacks were you would need the footage from when these bombs were released... the crosshair at the time of release would indicate the target aimed at so the impact point could then be used to determine how close the bombs came to the impact point to see how accurate they were.
This footage might as well be filmed by a UAV as the crosshair gives no indication of what the targets actually were.
3 out 4 hits failed. 250kg are not blockbusters but were used on rather big buildings with only one direct hit, certainly not the best thing. I have heared the KAB-1500Kr guided bombs are far better in accuracy.
These are cheap unguided bombs used with sophisticated computers and software doing the aiming... they will collect the footage of the attack and the footage of the results and work out the accuracy... no doubt tweaking the software to further improve performance.
Well math says - more weight - higher accuracy, seems tho that fairly cheap laser guided KAB250 shall enter service in next 2-3 years.
The only small bombs I have seen are unguided and likely delivered by Su-24M or Su-34. The fact that the video seems to be looking back I suggest these are Su-34s looking back to record the results of their bombing attack. the shifting crosshair suggests accuracy could not be determined just looking at the video... I suspect that is why it was released...
I wonder, why RuAF doesn't use laser or TV guided bombs.
the higher precision of laser and TV guided bombs is not really needed except where targets are on a frontline where friendlies are close by. Satellite guided bombs and unguided bombs using the Gefest and T software are much much cheaper and get the job done without warning... ie no lasers.
BTW NationalRus... you need to calm down and cut out the swearing. You are not a new member so I assume you also know about the forum rule regarding excessive use of emoticons.
Don't make me have to take action... lets keep this mature... we are all adults here and it is OK not to agree with everyone else... what is not OK is excessive swearing and disrespecting others.
The action you take regarding this advice will determine what action I take next... grow up.... harden up.... and behave... everyone... and I wont take any further action.
Questions and comments can be PMed to me... don't ruin this thread!
This kind of propaganda can serve to provide one or more data-points about the situation. It is almost always indicative of a propaganda trick that involves the reversal of the facts; therefore, in this case, it almost certainly (~100% certainty) is indicative of Russians having shot down more Turkish aircraft during the enforcement of the no-fly-zone.
Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.
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....you can also hear the buzzing of a propeller aircraft in the background towards the end
Me troll? Right....
