Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

It`s different, Ukraine did lost Crimea to Russia and Russia did more than helped rebels in Eastern Ukraine, it`s typical proxy war between Kremlin and White House. Rules have been written long time ago.

Turkey had no real reason to shut down air plane, i`m not saying that Russia will declare war to Turkey but those who think Turkey will not feel consequences of its act is delusional, they just got themselves a brand new enemy.

Well, I agree. Hopefully Turkey will feel the consequences of shooting down a Russian military jet. This has basically never happened after WWII.

It did happen, Pakistan downed a Soviet Su-25 during the Afghan war. AFAIK no serious action was taken; the Su-25 in that case was I believe slightly in Pakistani airspace, hunting the Mujahadeen supply lines that the Pakistanis had passing into their territory.

Boshoed wrote:RT Just updated.

'Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot over Syria - Russian MoD'

what the hell just happened?

NATO is holding an urgent meeting right now.

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

How about suspending the Blue Stream and cut off the gas ?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Su pilot IDed. Sergei Rumiantsev. Rest in Peace.

Sad, sad, sad.

I posted his photo long ago on forum when operation started.

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

Nope, they had NO right to shoot down a bomber that was operating there right when it was steering the to a FSA/Turkmen killzone. The fuck is wrong with you? Russia and Turkey aren't in a state of War. Also the plane got hit in Syria and the missile if AA was fired from at least 10km, so well within Turkish AS and travelled well within Syrian AF. But my little finger tells me this was done from the ground, from the Turkish border to the Syrian AS.

So let's be honest here, this wasn't some incident, this was an ambush, period.

After the initial anger has passed I guess we can be pleased that this is only the first casualty that Russia has so far suffered in this war while inflicting a lot of damage to the terrorists.

Russia-Turkey relations must not remain the same after this though.

macedonian wrote:.............................................

Even the historic 5(five) centuries of Ottoman occupation of my homeland doesn't make me as angry at the Turks as I am today!!! FUCK 'EM!!! I say!!!
Shit, I hate Turkey more than anything today! And I (well for the most part) never give-in to hate!

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^^THIS!!!!!!

OminousSpudd wrote:Auslander called it... Although I'd say it's not how he envisioned it happening.

Smartest guy on this forum and many others...

flamming_python wrote:AFAIK no serious action was taken ...

Just for the record, that is not true at all.

higurashihougi wrote:

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

How about suspending the Blue Stream and cut off the gas ?

That would be a tough decision since Turkey has a paying customer.

Two things:-

1)Why did america issue a worldwide "dont travel" alert for US citizens yesterday.

2)Check out Erdoprick in his "condemnation" of basically Russia bombing ISIS.
His mealy mouthed words aren't fooling anyone. Its clear he's had a big hand in ISIS and considers anyone who challenges ISIS to be an enemy of Turkey. Surely its time to have these pricks hanging from lamp posts?
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max steel wrote:Putin has called for emergency meeting of UN Security Council

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 5 Min
First respond following the Turkish/Russian event today: Excess Bombing on all Turkmen controlled area happening now from #SAA side. #Syria

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 5 Min
It is obvious tt #Turkey Leadership informed d Air Force in advance of its ROE, hence shooting down d #Russia/n Jet in little time. +

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 3 Min
#Russia is changing its ROE over #Syria, waiting4 any "mistake" #Turkey (tt can happen any day or week in d future) crossing #Syria/n border

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 2 Min
I am told that #Russia will wait for the first #Turkey Jets to cross #Syria. More #Russia/n jets will be brought to #Syria 4 interception.

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

Are you for real? Was Russia (then!) planning to bomb Istanbul?
Bombing Turkey?

NO
It was bombing ISIS. A terrorist regime with its strings pulled by Erdocunt and Obumboy.

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

It`s different, Ukraine did lost Crimea to Russia and Russia did more than helped rebels in Eastern Ukraine, it`s typical proxy war between Kremlin and White House. Rules have been written long time ago.

Turkey had no real reason to shut down air plane, i`m not saying that Russia will declare war to Turkey but those who think Turkey will not feel consequences of its act is delusional, they just got themselves a brand new enemy.

Well, I agree. Hopefully Turkey will feel the consequences of shooting down a Russian military jet. This has basically never happened after WWII.

It did happen, Pakistan downed a Soviet Su-25 during the Afghan war. AFAIK no serious action was taken; the Su-25 in that case was I believe slightly in Pakistani airspace, hunting the Mujahadeen supply lines that the Pakistanis had passing into their territory.

You said what? USSR shot down two F4 that day and about 4 Cobras were shot down during Magistral. Along with piles of Pakistani corpses the Soviet Union sent back, including 20km behind Pakistani border (Op Dead Mule and Falanga).

Americans can tell you nice things about how badly Pakistan shat itself when Falanga kicked in.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

Nope, they had NO right to shoot down a bomber that was operating there right when it was steering the to a FSA/Turkmen killzone. The fuck is wrong with you? Russia and Turkey aren't in a state of War. Also the plane got hit in Syria and the missile if AA was fired from at least 10km, so well within Turkish AS and travelled well within Syrian AF. But my little finger tells me this was done from the ground, from the Turkish border to the Syrian AS.

So let's be honest here, this wasn't some incident, this was an ambush, period.

Rules of engagement state that you cannot attack aircraft in "chase" in case of airspace violation coz that means they entered your airspace by mistake or technical reasons unless if you are in actual war.

A Russian jet at full speed would probably be in Turkish airspace less than 15 seconds... the border 'finger' they have to annoyingly go around is rather small, so even if they did inadvertently go through it... Turks would have to have a pretty effing fast trigger finger



Russian jets have probably been skirting through it for weeks not and the Turks are pissed off like an angry old man on his lawn watching kids ride their bikes to close



so they had to have had their F16s already there, impossible to scramble them to intercept in the short distance a Russian jet could possibly accidently be in Turk air space.... Turks were probably waiting there to see if the Russians skipped into their lawn for a second and bam...



stupid.... i'll be surprised if even obama defends the turks for something this dumb lol

GunshipDemocracy wrote:........................
I understand you are emotional today so calling me idiot wasn´t meant to be. We´ll see what the answer is and I am sure you´ll be surprised Putis not giving to attack Turkey. With UN and diplomatic channels I agree with arming Kurds too but I do not see Russians attacking Turkey.

Dude, ignore the emo crowd, they are angry 24/7. Give them an hour or two and they cool off...

Monarchist wrote:

max steel wrote:Putin has called for emergency meeting of UN Security Council

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 5 Min
First respond following the Turkish/Russian event today: Excess Bombing on all Turkmen controlled area happening now from #SAA side. #Syria

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 5 Min
It is obvious tt #Turkey Leadership informed d Air Force in advance of its ROE, hence shooting down d #Russia/n Jet in little time. +

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 3 Min
#Russia is changing its ROE over #Syria, waiting4 any "mistake" #Turkey (tt can happen any day or week in d future) crossing #Syria/n border

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 2 Min
I am told that #Russia will wait for the first #Turkey Jets to cross #Syria. More #Russia/n jets will be brought to #Syria 4 interception.

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai

More bombings on Turkmen areas from Syrian AS and civilians first. No quarter given.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

flamming_python wrote:If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

How about suspending the Blue Stream and cut off the gas ?

That would be a tough decision since Turkey has a paying customer.

Putins jewish oligarch buddies wouldn't want to loose any money. That's the biggest attack on Russia, kill it's people, shell it's territory, take away it's electricity, down it jets and kill it's pilots you will get away with it, but touch Deripaska, Vekselberg,Fridman, Abramovich money and your doomed.

If that Fencer was indeed brought down by TuAF then this shows a great lack of contingency or over-confidence from the Russian side. Any outdated soviet bomber is mince meat for an AIM-120B or -C. It seems these bombers were on their own there. No escort or AEW&C assets and whilst operating against an ethnic minority that is favored by Turkey.

Not wise at all.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

It`s different, Ukraine did lost Crimea to Russia and Russia did more than helped rebels in Eastern Ukraine, it`s typical proxy war between Kremlin and White House. Rules have been written long time ago.

Turkey had no real reason to shut down air plane, i`m not saying that Russia will declare war to Turkey but those who think Turkey will not feel consequences of its act is delusional, they just got themselves a brand new enemy.

Well, I agree. Hopefully Turkey will feel the consequences of shooting down a Russian military jet. This has basically never happened after WWII.

It did happen, Pakistan downed a Soviet Su-25 during the Afghan war. AFAIK no serious action was taken; the Su-25 in that case was I believe slightly in Pakistani airspace, hunting the Mujahadeen supply lines that the Pakistanis had passing into their territory.

You said what? USSR shot down two F4 that day and about 4 Cobras were shot down during Magistral. Along with piles of Pakistani corpses the Soviet Union sent back, including 20km behind Pakistani border (Op Dead Mule and Falanga).

Americans can tell you nice things about how badly Pakistan shat itself when Falanga kicked in.

Actually Russia almost completely annihilated the Pakistani airforce. It was because off that that Pakistan went to China buying as many F-7s as they could.

Neutrality wrote:Jesus Christ, what the hell is happening. I wake up, drink my coffee and read this. I don't like the sounds which are coming from the Duma alread. Words like "act of agression" are usually expressed before declaring war. And now they want to cancel all flights between Russia and Turkey as well.

Tell me about it, I was in class with bunch of brats and glanced on the news...ouch...

max steel wrote:Putin has called for emergency meeting of UN Security Council

Sucks to be right all the time for me..


THis is what i was explaining for hours everyone here..

1)Russia needs now to get as much International Support possible against Turkey..
2)get a United Nations resolution condemening attack of Turkey to Russia that had United Nations support  ( if possible.)
3)the support can be moral.. but better if get military support from China.and france even more.
4) CAll world attention to Turkey that is Supporting ISIS and in an illegal war against Syria.
5)Give ultimatum to turkey that the next time Russia will respond and use lethal Force.

all this things.. will allow Europe to move and prevent a major war..(and just like they did in Ukraine) pressure Erdogan Pig to stop its war against Syria...and that if they do not stop will get Econmic sanctions from Europe. and all attempts to join the EU cancelled permanently.

If after all this Turkey again attack Russia.. then Russian citizens will support Putin unanously to
retaliate..and any negative outcome for Russia fighting back will be tolerated.. This is extremely important.. to get all Russian citizens on the same side with the Government.. to avoid civil unrest. or damage the moral of Russian soldiers..IF.. Putin have the Russian citizens support
to any war.. they will tolerate any negative outcome..or any number of civilians killed. Support support and more support.. this is what can make the difference in the war in Syria to continue or end.. the difference between Russia isolated or Turkey and US. IF Russia gets the support it wants , US and Turkey will begiven an ultimatum by its allies to stop their illegal war against Syria.