Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

The Turks claimed that they gave warning also .. !!
The distance (if we beleave the Tuskish story) passed through "Turkish" territory is 2,7 Km. For a plane passing with say 500km/h that distance is passed within 19 sec.
So within this time slot the Turks managed to give warning , dedicated the target , made the decision to hit and fired..!!
What magnificent pilots they have..!!!

macedonian wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Time to finish the task, and this time on to Konstantinopolis.

I like the sound of that!

glad to see you again..

If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

With these reports, the attack on the Crimea's power, and other incidents, I think its clear that Turkey is at war with Russia and the CSTO.

PS anyone notice how shit seems to happen after that skank Nuland visits somewhere. Like Moscow yesterday.

arpakola wrote:

macedonian wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Time to finish the task, and this time on to Konstantinopolis.

I like the sound of that!

glad to see you again..

Thanks.
I've been so preoccupied with the Ukraine/Syria situation, couldn't sleep even, so the wife was gonna divorce me for spending too much time reading the news...
Glad to be back

Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Monarchist wrote:If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

Aha...public support...
'Si ti normalan covece?!
Kome na zapadu briga za jebani "public support"?!

Interestingly enough 5% is the base support for the majority of western governments, yet they still rule their respective countries...

macedonian wrote:

Monarchist wrote:If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

Aha...public support...
'Si ti normalan covece?!
Kome na zapadu briga za jebani "public support"?!

U pravo si. Unfortunately.

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

Vann7 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:


Cruise missiles good but this is an attack on NATO. Must be pretext to retaliate. In a painful for kebabs way. Kurdish card. I hope this is not only physical  appearance  but also the spirit.

Stop the NATO bullshit idiot..

Russia..   Oh noo is NATO ..Russia will not fight NATO.. BULLSHIT.
If Russia fight on self defense they will fight anyone.. as simple as that. US will be the last player to fight Russia with the very bad support Obama have on Syria..

I understand you are emotional today so calling me idiot wasn´t meant to be. We´ll see what the answer is and I am sure you´ll be surprised Putis not giving to attack Turkey. With UN and diplomatic channels I agree with arming Kurds too but I do not see Russians attacking Turkey.

Monarchist wrote:

macedonian wrote:

Monarchist wrote:If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

Aha...public support...
'Si ti normalan covece?!
Kome na zapadu briga za jebani "public support"?!

U pravo si. Unfortunately.

It's only Serbia and Macedonia that haven't supported the sanctions against Russia at this point, but (please!) don't for a second think that that's because they think like you and I do...it's all about the $$$ for both our governments...though the anti-EU force is indeed strong here... (а кад кажем here, мислим и на Македонију и на Србију брате). Али и ваша и наша влада преговарају за ЕУ чланство...све је то срање бре!
Ја би Македонију једино везао с Русијом, али ко мене пита?! Нико, ето ко!!!

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:


Cruise missiles good but this is an attack on NATO. Must be pretext to retaliate. In a painful for kebabs way. Kurdish card. I hope this is not only physical  appearance  but also the spirit.

Stop the NATO bullshit idiot..

Russia..   Oh noo is NATO ..Russia will not fight NATO.. BULLSHIT.
If Russia fight on self defense they will fight anyone.. as simple as that. US will be the last player to fight Russia with the very bad support Obama have on Syria..

I understand you are emotional today so calling me idiot wasn´t meant to be. We´ll see what the answer is and I am sure you´ll be surprised Putis not giving to attack Turkey. With UN and diplomatic channels I agree with arming Kurds too but I do not see Russians attacking Turkey.

Russia might have a long term plan. (OK Putin always does).
But even so, Russia was never friends with those maggots. And its clear the kebabs have declcared war on Russia, albeit on a low level. So Russia has to do SOMETHING back. Russia wasnt a threat. Russia was doing good. Turkey is supporting terror groups.

So a no fly zone in Turkey near the border, and a few Turkish planes taken out in the next "incident".
That would be enough for the very short term. Over the medium term, I think Russia does need to hit very hard. I dont mean that emotively, I mean it logically. This isnt the Ukraine and all its soft power issues. This is Islamist dogshit were talking about.

Jesus Christ, what the hell is happening. I wake up, drink my coffee and read this. I don't like the sounds which are coming from the Duma alread. Words like "act of agression" are usually expressed before declaring war. And now they want to cancel all flights between Russia and Turkey as well.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

It`s different, Ukraine did lost Crimea to Russia and Russia did more than helped rebels in Eastern Ukraine, it`s typical proxy war between Kremlin and White House. Rules have been written long time ago.

Turkey had no real reason to shut down air plane, i`m not saying that Russia will declare war to Turkey but those who think Turkey will not feel consequences of its act is delusional, they just got themselves a brand new enemy.

Monarchist wrote:If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

Thanks god finally some wisdom. people so stupid... oh no NATO..so powerful.. oh noo NATO you can't fight them.. yes Russia can. Self Defense is all valid. Syria Shot down a Turkey plane in 2011 and what NATO did? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was Syria airspace that Turkey invaded and they were humiliated .

Is it just me, or is everyone (anyone?) effin' annoyed by the lack of immediate response by Russia (I do understand that I'm a tad too emotional - I am a Slav after all)?!
I do understand that Putin is playing 'the long game' here, but I reckon this merits an IMMEDIATE response!
You don't just watch your pilot being slaughtered, you RESPOND!

Not even the Russian media is responding as quickly as are western propaganda outlets!
Strange (to say the least).

macedonian wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

macedonian wrote:

Monarchist wrote:If someone thinks that european countries, NATO states would go to war with Russia over Turkey are in serious delusion. Especially with the muslim migrant crisis and their obvious ISIS support. Public support for that is between 0-5%.

Aha...public support...
'Si ti normalan covece?!
Kome na zapadu briga za jebani "public support"?!

U pravo si. Unfortunately.

It's only Serbia and Macedonia that haven't supported the sanctions against Russia at this point, but (please!) don't for a second think that that's because they think like you and I do...it's all about the $$$ for both our governments...though the anti-EU force is indeed strong here... (а кад кажем here, мислим и на Македонију и на Србију брате). Али и ваша и наша влада преговарају за ЕУ чланство...све је то срање бре!
Ја би Македонију једино везао с Русијом, али ко мене пита?! Нико, ето ко!!!

Слажем се са свe што сте написали. Aли као што си рекао ко слуша нас. Наше владе су највећe политички проститутке који постојe.

zg18 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

zg18 wrote:Erdogan`s arrogance will be his undoing.

Well, Porky and Yats are still alive and kicking, and doing well.

It`s different, Ukraine did lost Crimea to Russia and Russia did more than helped rebels in Eastern Ukraine, it`s typical proxy war between Kremlin and White House. Rules have been written long time ago.

Turkey had no real reason to shut down air plane, i`m not saying that Russia will declare war to Turkey but those who think Turkey will not feel consequences of its act is delusional, they just got themselves a brand new enemy.

Well, I agree. Hopefully Turkey will feel the consequences of shooting down a Russian military jet. This has basically never happened after WWII.

If it was shot down in Turkish airspace then they had the right to.

It's not like it's the first time our planes violated their airspace, let's be honesst.

At the same time though, the fact that they actually went this far - does indeed merit a response. Cancelling all flights, pulling out tourists, bombing 'Turkmen' (Islamist) positions with a new intensity, and the start of arms shipments to the PKK and so on.
Let's see how they like that.

I think its very interesting that the turks didnt try this stunt with a plane that had an escort, it shows they know what the russians would do if attacked, they waited until they found a lone, easy target. Its pretty clear they planned this, this is nothing to do with any bs about the border. They are sending a message

Python, yes they have the right to, but thats not the point here, the actually strike was in syria after it had left their territory, if the jet was continuing in to syran territory it would be justifiable, but what is clearly a minute border infringment does not justify this.

Look how russia responded to the ukrainian tanks that crossed the border that time, did they rain death down on them? No, they didnt like it one bit but they chose to deescalate rather than create an international incident and start the world beating the drums of war.

macedonian wrote:Is it just me, or is everyone (anyone?) effin' annoyed by the lack of immediate response by Russia (I do understand that I'm a tad too emotional - I am a Slav after all)?!

Best decisions are brought by the cool heads.

Firebird wrote: Russia might have a long term plan. (OK Putin always does).
But even so, Russia was never friends with those maggots. And its clear the kebabs have declcared war on Russia, albeit on a low level. So Russia has to do SOMETHING back. Russia wasnt a threat. Russia was doing good. Turkey is supporting terror groups.

So a no fly zone in Turkey near the border, and a few Turkish planes taken out in the next "incident".
That would be enough for the very short term. Over the medium term, I think Russia does need to hit very hard. I dont mean that emotively, I mean it logically. This isnt the Ukraine and all its soft power issues. This is Islamist dogshit were talking about.

Fully agree. EW /AAD and using more Pinokios/Grads around Turkish border long run steps:

- shutting tourist lines with Turkey (terrorist threat of course)
- arming Kurds, real arming - Russia´s vast moored soviet weapons magazines are good enough to make kebabs from northern aggressor
- suppting Kurdish autonomy
- letting Syrians and Kurds to shoot couple Turkish planes. Well in every case missiles would be Russian origin
- showing in UN an evidence about Turkey financing ISIS
- providing evidence about Turkish role in sudden wave of emigrants saturated with terrorists

macedonian wrote:Is it just me, or is everyone (anyone?) effin' annoyed by the lack of immediate response by Russia (I do understand that I'm a tad too emotional - I am a Slav after all)?!
I do understand that Putin is playing 'the long game' here, but I reckon this merits an IMMEDIATE response!
You don't just watch your pilot being slaughtered, you RESPOND!

Not even the Russian media is responding as quickly as are western propaganda outlets!
Strange (to say the least).

There is nothing Russia can do immediately, unless they want to escalate.
We have shot down a Turkish F-16 over the Aegean and they did absolutely nothing. We collected their pilot, hospitalized him and returned too.

One needs to understand that the Turkish forces despite their image have suffered shooting downs with no reaction. So this was their chance to shine, after 2-3 decades of losses. It just happened they took their anger on Russia (not the greatest of moves).

macedonian wrote:Is it just me, or is everyone (anyone?) effin' annoyed by the lack of immediate response by Russia (I do understand that I'm a tad too emotional - I am a Slav after all)?!
I do understand that Putin is playing 'the long game' here, but I reckon this merits an IMMEDIATE response!
You don't just watch your pilot being slaughtered, you RESPOND!

Not even the Russian media is responding as quickly as are western propaganda outlets!
Strange (to say the least).

Duma is losing its shit.

Su pilot IDed. Sergei Rumiantsev. Rest in Peace.

Sad, sad, sad.