Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

Putin on Su-24 Downing: Suposed Ally Delivered Treacherous Stab in the Back

Russia's President Vladimir Putin called the downing of Su-24 bomber jet an inexplicable and treacherous stab in the back.

"An inexplicable and treacherous stab in the back from those who we considered partners and allies in the fight against terrorism, " Putin said.

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zg18 wrote:Putin is basically now openly provoking Erdogan to make a move and raising the stakes.

Note: Syrians didn`t dare to strike near Turkey border for two years already and Russia has shown restraint until Su-24 downing

Rodinazombie wrote:Anyone think erdogan will have the balls to do anything now he knows he is on his own and russia has its finger on the trigger?

Part of me thinks not, but this clown may just be stupid enough to try something out of desperation. Ukraine will have been a picnic compared to what could happen here.

"Not only has someone covered and continues to cover terrorists, their illegal trade of oil, people, drugs, artworks and weapons, but some continue to earn hundreds of millions and billions of dollars on it," Putin said during a ceremony receiving 15 new ambassadors.

The Russian leader said that all global threats are first of all related to terrorism.

Passivity and complicity in terrorism by a number of countries led to the creation of the Islamic State terrorist group, Putin said.

"It is the passivity of some countries, and often direct complicity in terrorism that led to the creation of the nightmarish phenomenon that is the so-called Islamic State."

All attempts to whitewash actions committed by terrorist should be considered as complicity, Putin said.

The international community needs to join efforts to fight against terrorism, the Russian president added.

"I'd like to believe that after the attacks on a Russian airliner in Egypt, the tragic events in France, brutal mass killings in Lebanon, Nigeria, Mali, there will be an understanding of the need to finally unite the efforts of the entire international community in the fight against terrorism."

zg18 wrote:S-400 SAM system has been deployed to Syria

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151126/1030782946/s-400-syria-russia.html

zg18 wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Anyone think erdogan will have the balls to do anything now he knows he is on his own and russia has its finger on the trigger?

Part of me thinks not, but this clown may just be stupid enough to try something out of desperation. Ukraine will have been a picnic compared to what could happen here.

Putin is having him on his sights and is showing him he is ready for showdown. Erdogan perhaps read the situation wrongly and underestimated Russia`s resolve in Syria.

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PapaDragon wrote:

zg18 wrote:S-400 SAM system has been deployed to Syria

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151126/1030782946/s-400-syria-russia.html

Well, that was fast...

Rodinazombie wrote:

zg18 wrote:Putin is basically now openly provoking Erdogan to make a move and raising the stakes.

Note: Syrians didn`t dare to strike near Turkey border for two years already and Russia has shown restraint until Su-24 downing

Anyone think erdogan will have the balls to do anything now he knows he is on his own and russia has its finger on the trigger?

Part of me thinks not, but this clown may just be stupid enough to try something out of desperation. Ukraine will have been a picnic compared to what could happen here.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Haha, 'humanitarian' convoy coming from Turkey mysteriously blows up! 7 Turks dead and 10 injured.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-26/na-gumanitarnyy-konvoy-iz-turcii-napali-na-granice-s-siriey

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Haha, 'humanitarian' convoy coming from Turkey mysteriously blows up! 7 Turks dead and 10 injured.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-26/na-gumanitarnyy-konvoy-iz-turcii-napali-na-granice-s-siriey

Yeah, I hope by these acts of 'vengeance' innocent people don't suffer. Did Russia have good intel as to what exact supplies this convoy was carrying? What if it really was carrying aid and humanitarian workers?

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Haha, 'humanitarian' convoy coming from Turkey mysteriously blows up! 7 Turks dead and 10 injured.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-26/na-gumanitarnyy-konvoy-iz-turcii-napali-na-granice-s-siriey

Yeah, I hope by these acts of 'vengeance' innocent people don't suffer. Did Russia have good intel as to what exact supplies this convoy was carrying? What if it really was carrying aid and humanitarian workers?

Not likely but even if some "humanitarians" did get fragged (I made my opinion of them known long ago) you can write it under collateral damage. After today no civilian will be dumb enough to try any funny stuff on the border.

I guess Mustafa will be happy with this since it means no war between Turks and Ruskies...

flamming_python wrote:.........................

If they are 'humanitarians' in quotation marks, then by all means good hunting.

But I don't want innocents to suffer as result of some hotheads in the Kremlin or the MoD. We should pick our targets with a great deal of care, especially when it involves a neighbouring country's citizens.

It's also well known that Turkey has clandestine forces operating in the area. I would also advice the RuAF to think about that too; we don't need to escalate this situation any further.

It's also well known that Turkey has clandestine forces operating in the area. I would also advice the RuAF to think about that too; we don't need to escalate this situation any further

flamming_python wrote:What if it really was carrying aid and humanitarian workers?

Rodinazombie wrote:

It's also well known that Turkey has clandestine forces operating in the area. I would also advice the RuAF to think about that too; we don't need to escalate this situation any further

They are clandestine for a reason, ie they are not supposed to be there. If turkey has its troops killed whilst carrying out illegal operations against international law, well thats their own stupid fault. Russia wont be purposefully targeting them, but if they happen to get blown up whilst aiding and abetting terrorists, tough shit. If they want to play war, then they will feel the reality of it.

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

It's also well known that Turkey has clandestine forces operating in the area. I would also advice the RuAF to think about that too; we don't need to escalate this situation any further

They are clandestine for a reason, ie they are not supposed to be there. If turkey has its troops killed whilst carrying out illegal operations against international law, well thats their own stupid fault. Russia wont be purposefully targeting them, but if they happen to get blown up whilst aiding and abetting terrorists, tough shit. If they want to play war, then they will feel the reality of it.

Russian SF weren't supposed to be in the Ukraine either, yet they were.

Point is, there should be a level of respect. Killing someone's forces operating clandestinely is not too much different from killing them openly.

flamming_python wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Haha, 'humanitarian' convoy coming from Turkey mysteriously blows up! 7 Turks dead and 10 injured.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-26/na-gumanitarnyy-konvoy-iz-turcii-napali-na-granice-s-siriey

Yeah, I hope by these acts of 'vengeance' innocent people don't suffer. Did Russia have good intel as to what exact supplies this convoy was carrying? What if it really was carrying aid and humanitarian workers?

Rodinazombie wrote:As i said, i doubt russia will purposefully target them.

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:As i said, i doubt russia will purposefully target them.

Who do you think they're targetting? This shit could be about to get way out of hand.

I'm not worried about Erdogan's reaction, I'm worried for the permenant rift it will cause to Turkish-Russian relations on a people level; if we start killing each others citizens, no matter under which circumstances.
At the moment, there is still every chance to recover and condemn the people who ordered the aircraft shot down for the backstabbers/murderers that they are.