Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

whir wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:What is this crap? Those are not 'oil refineries.' The targets in the first and third videos are grain silos and the target in the second video is a water treatment facility. Has the MoD gone full retard? Even if these facilities were being used by the enemy (hiding weapons, supplies, etc.), they are clearly not oil refineries. Why even lie when the lie is so obvious?

Because there is no grain left for years, Daesh is stocking oil in and around the silos, like they do with big trucks moving barrels around. That particular site has been bombed before, but not the silos but improvised fuel tanks in its perimeter. The after-explosions with fireball confirm it.

Wheat, well more precisely flour, once suspended into the air is not only highly flammable but also very explosive. Dust explosions at silos are relatively common even nowadays with varying degrees of devastation depending on their size.

There is a lot of disinformation around these, what might be called pre-used sites where the original purpose continues as the description of its current function. A classic example being the 'bakery' hit a couple of days ago, disused for a while and previously hit, it was for some the RuAF bombing of a civilian infrastructure target.

Of these sites we have no idea what their current use is. The grain store is definitely a possible new use site but the waterworks seem more questionable. One thing is certain, given their limited capacity for bombing targets and a large number of potential targets, it is likely that the RuAF is trying very hard not to waste sorties. Also it would be a major fail for the MoD to put up as evidence a questionable site, even PI career threatening perhaps.

1700-1800 trucks near october 18th. Deir ez-Zor.

Source: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/672087928424808448

Militarov wrote:

What are the red arrows?

That US carrier is making diplomatic calls around Sicily atm, in no hurry at all. Think that 200 US special forces includes all their support stuff, helicopter crews etc.

Could be a while before the Germans get there too.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

What are the red arrows?

That US carrier is making diplomatic calls around Sicily atm, in no hurry at all. Think that 200 US special forces includes all their support stuff, helicopter crews etc.

Could be a while before the Germans get there too.

Looks to me like possible advance routes of Turkish army, cant tell for sure but thats the most logical to me. Its all just big "my dad is stronger than yours" type of charts, i just felt like sharing it as some kind of summary of NATO assets in the region, dont take it as granted truth.

Militarov wrote:



1700-1800 trucks near october 18th. Deir ez-Zor.

Source: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/672087928424808448

That is the really juicy JP-233 target. Could have been designed for it.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:



1700-1800 trucks near october 18th. Deir ez-Zor.

Source: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/672087928424808448

That is the really juicy JP-233 target. Could have been designed for it.

You know what i had in mind? UR-77 Meteorit

US/NATO pilots must have flown over it dozens of times up to now. Wonder what they thought? Like WTF is that not on the target list, please please!

No this

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wgsal

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

What are the red arrows?

That US carrier is making diplomatic calls around Sicily atm, in no hurry at all. Think that 200 US special forces includes all their support stuff, helicopter crews etc.

Could be a while before the Germans get there too.

Looks to me like possible advance routes of Turkish army, cant tell for sure but thats the most logical to me. Its all just big "my dad is stronger than yours" type of charts, i just felt like sharing it as some kind of summary of NATO assets in the region, dont take it as granted truth.

Most practical routes for intervention. Kesab you can't use armour, unless you want to reenact 1st Grozny. However Jarabulus doesn't make any sense, if you can enter Azzaz. Jarabulus has a natural barrier on its left flank for the attacking force (Turkey which would limit spread, thus can also be ussed by "Isis" to pummel the TUrkish vehicles with ATGM). The push to Minbij will thus need to clear "Isis" from the other bank of the Euphrates.

I hope Kurds get stocks of ATGM for reasons.

JohninMK wrote:No this

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wgsal

I know what you refered to, it was one of the options for updated version of Yugoslavian J22 Orao for anti runaway attacks

whir wrote:Wheat, well more precisely flour, once suspended into the air is not only highly flammable but also very explosive. Dust explosions at silos are relatively common even nowadays with varying degrees of devastation depending on their size.

Sure, but there should be none of it left.
Previous videos around grain silo show numerous oil tanks (they were bombed last week).

The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

On top of that, they muck up all the places.

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

So? Who cares. They chose to do so because the goal isn't to show the media what they're doing. But to show those who use those buildings and complexes, that they will strike them. AKA this is not America.
You guys do believe that the Russian military is going to really play this differently from Desert Storm? They'll show what ever they want and call that how they want. The real deal is people playing FAC for the SAA and showering FSA with fire.

Bruh, even if they were grains silos, they're in ISIS controlled territory, and being used by ISIS. Legit targets.

What else would Russia be trying to achieve? Destroying Syrian infrastructure 'cause reasons? Nope, nada, nyet.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

So? Who cares. They chose to do so because the goal isn't to show the media what they're doing. But to show those who use those buildings and complexes, that they will strike them. AKA this is not America.
You guys do believe that the Russian military is going to really play this differently from Desert Storm? They'll show what ever they want and call that how they want. The real deal is people playing FAC for the SAA and showering FSA with fire.

I just don't see the point of lying about something so obvious.

sweartome123 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

So? Who cares. They chose to do so because the goal isn't to show the media what they're doing. But to show those who use those buildings and complexes, that they will strike them. AKA this is not America.
You guys do believe that the Russian military is going to really play this differently from Desert Storm? They'll show what ever they want and call that how they want. The real deal is people playing FAC for the SAA and showering FSA with fire.

I just don't see the point of lying about something so obvious.

Oh yeah what was the point of lying about something as obvious GW1 was a shit sandwich and that they had killed zero civilians, they had made surgical strikes etc? It's the damn military. It does it all the time.
What worries me though is what exactly hade they fucked up to rail the FSA that much. And weaken them in Aleppo that it looks like by New Year it will have evacuated Aleppo countryside.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

So? Who cares. They chose to do so because the goal isn't to show the media what they're doing. But to show those who use those buildings and complexes, that they will strike them. AKA this is not America.
You guys do believe that the Russian military is going to really play this differently from Desert Storm? They'll show what ever they want and call that how they want. The real deal is people playing FAC for the SAA and showering FSA with fire.

I just don't see the point of lying about something so obvious.

Oh yeah what was the point of lying about something as obvious GW1 was a shit sandwich and that they had killed zero civilians, they had made surgical strikes etc? It's the damn military. It does it all the time.
What worries me though is what exactly hade they fucked up to rail the FSA that much. And weaken them in Aleppo that it looks like by New Year it will have evacuated Aleppo countryside.

Fair enough.

I should add that it's not necessarily the lie that bothers me, but the people who take it as gospel and reject everything else. They're in the same league as the NATO circle-jerk club.

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Junior, here is a phrase for you to learn: "collateral damage''.

Very fine and useful stuff as long as you're not ''it''.

Words to live (and die) by in this century.

So either change your tampon or STFU.

Also, that is neither water plant not grain silo,.. and even if by some miracle is is, see first sentence.

sweartome123 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

So? Who cares. They chose to do so because the goal isn't to show the media what they're doing. But to show those who use those buildings and complexes, that they will strike them. AKA this is not America.
You guys do believe that the Russian military is going to really play this differently from Desert Storm? They'll show what ever they want and call that how they want. The real deal is people playing FAC for the SAA and showering FSA with fire.

I just don't see the point of lying about something so obvious.

Oh yeah what was the point of lying about something as obvious GW1 was a shit sandwich and that they had killed zero civilians, they had made surgical strikes etc? It's the damn military. It does it all the time.
What worries me though is what exactly hade they fucked up to rail the FSA that much. And weaken them in Aleppo that it looks like by New Year it will have evacuated Aleppo countryside.

Fair enough.

I should add that it's not necessarily the lie that bothers me, but the people who take it as gospel and reject everything else. They're in the same league as the NATO circle-jerk club.

That's why the cynical are king in the land of desinformation. Also those were 4/5 strikes over 70 that day? It's funny no one asks what were the 65/66 others.

Anyway. I understand that it looks shitty to try and pass the Silos and the WT plant for refineries (although I wouldn't put past the mujis to actually put oil in those water tanks/pools).

PapaDragon wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Junior, here is a phrase for you to learn: "collateral damage''.

Very fine and useful stuff as long as you're not ''it''.

Words to live (and die) by in this century.

So either change your tampon or STFU.

Also, that is neither water plant not grain silo, you amateur... and even if by some miracle is is, see first sentence.

Junior - really?

Stop lying to yourself. Those targets were not oil refineries, but grain silos and a water treatment plant. But please, keep drinking that Kool-Aid.