Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Yeah you came late to the discussion ,to call now Russia a moron..
go away troll. and shot yourself in the head.. im sick of anyone defending terrorism.
While civilians are being killed everyday by US and its alliance of Alqaeda and ISIS buddies.

 Listen Moron , Any facility that can be used by terrorist in Syria to continue fighting is a legal target.  Food ,Ammunition ,weapons and Oil.. The only reason ISIS can fight in Syria is because NATO supply them with everything they need to continue fighting. And  Because NATO is increasing its support to the terrorist and trying to destroy Syria , Russia needs to increase its pressure on the terrorist to make more difficult for them to continue their criminal and illegal operation.

Any western sponsored jihadist groups destroying Syria who wants to eat.. only needs to stop fighting and giveup its weapons and surrender.. it have happened before many times.. it just works. and if thats all you are upset after Russian MOD report.. then indeed you are a pro ISIS troll. Because any sane person will be more ALARMED for NATO open Support for terrorism with oil business ,weapons and logistics . And Russian MOD information expose the US coalition as a fraud. plain and simple.

Vann7 wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Yeah you came late to the discussion ,to call now Russia a moron..
go away troll. and shot yourself in the head.. im sick of anyone defending terrorism.
While civilians are being killed everyday by US and its alliance of Alqaeda and ISIS buddies.

 Listen Moron , Any facility that can be used by terrorist in Syria to continue fighting is a legal target.  Food ,Ammunition and Oil.. The only reason ISIS can fight in Syria is because NATO supply them with everything they need to continue fighting. And  Because NATO is increasing its support to the terrorist and trying to destroy Syria , Russia needs to increase its pressure on the terrorist to make more difficult for them to continue their criminal and illegal operation.

Any jihadist groups who wants to eat.. only needs to stop fighting and giveup its weapons and surrender.. it have happened before many times.. it just works

What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

sweartome123 wrote:
What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

You are calling Russia mod a liar , trying to discredit its Report and focusing in so meaningless
things that are irrelevant . ISIS are using tricks to hide its operations , covering its trucks as humanitarian aid ,and it will not be surprising that their weapons are stored with the most unexpected places.. the Russian military needs to bomb any facility terrorist consider of value an period. Whether is was a "chocolate factory" or a chemical weapons facility it needs to be bombed an Period..

In fact for ISIS it will be logical to store weapons ,light weapons in the places you claim ,Russia bombed. IF you look several pages earlier the MOD exposed tricks ISIS uses to hide their Oil and weapons. ANy facility that can be of help for terrorist needs to be bombed.

Vann7 wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:
What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

You are calling Russia mod a liar , trying to discredit its Report and focusing in so meaningless
things that are irrelevant . ISIS are using tricks to hide its operations , covering its trucks as humanitarian aid ,and it will not be surprising that their weapons are stored with the most unexpected places.. the Russian military needs to bomb any facility terrorist consider of value an period. Whether is was a "chocolate factory" or a chemical weapons facility it needs to be bombed an Period..

In fact for ISIS it will be logical to store weapons ,light weapons in the places you claim ,Russia bombed. IF you look several pages earlier the MOD exposed tricks ISIS uses to hide their Oil and weapons. ANy facility that can be of help for  terrorist needs to be bombed.

I said the MoD was lying in regards to three little videos. That's it. I'm not discrediting their report.

And yes, I'm well aware of the tactics that the Islamic State uses to hide weapons and supplies. It is more than likely that those grain silos had supplies and weapons stored in them.

sweartome123 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Junior, here is a phrase for you to learn: "collateral damage''.

Very fine and useful stuff as long as you're not ''it''.

Words to live (and die) by in this century.

So either change your tampon or STFU.

Also, that is neither water plant not grain silo, you amateur... and even if by some miracle is is, see first sentence.

Junior - really?

Stop lying to yourself. Those targets were not oil refineries, but grain silos and a water treatment plant. But please, keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

I'll bite.

How do you know?

Vann7 wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:
What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

You are calling Russia mod a liar , trying to discredit its Report and focusing in so meaningless
things that are irrelevant . ISIS are using tricks to hide its operations , covering its trucks as humanitarian aid ,and it will not be surprising that their weapons are stored with the most unexpected places.. the Russian military needs to bomb any facility terrorist consider of value an period. Whether is was a "chocolate factory" or a chemical weapons facility it needs to be bombed an Period..

In fact for ISIS it will be logical to store weapons ,light weapons in the places you claim ,Russia bombed. IF you look several pages earlier the MOD exposed tricks ISIS uses to hide their Oil and weapons. ANy facility that can be of help for  terrorist needs to be bombed.

The Russian MoD BS'd over not losing any cruise missiles on their way over Iran to targets in Syria, and they might have ordered the shot-down co-pilot to BS about not entering Turkish territory too (although hell knows with that).

So yeah, the MoD lies, it's a military organization, it follows orders and those orders are given by the Commander in Chief; lying or telling the truth is irrelevant, orders are orders.

flamming_python wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:
What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

You are calling Russia mod a liar , trying to discredit its Report and focusing in so meaningless
things that are irrelevant . ISIS are using tricks to hide its operations , covering its trucks as humanitarian aid ,and it will not be surprising that their weapons are stored with the most unexpected places.. the Russian military needs to bomb any facility terrorist consider of value an period. Whether is was a "chocolate factory" or a chemical weapons facility it needs to be bombed an Period..

In fact for ISIS it will be logical to store weapons ,light weapons in the places you claim ,Russia bombed. IF you look several pages earlier the MOD exposed tricks ISIS uses to hide their Oil and weapons. ANy facility that can be of help for  terrorist needs to be bombed.

The Russian MoD BS'd over not losing any cruise missiles on their way over Iran to targets in Syria, and they might have ordered the shot-down co-pilot to BS about not entering Turkish territory too (although hell knows with that).

So yeah, the MoD lies, it's a military organization, it follows orders and those orders are given by the Commander in Chief; lying or telling the truth is irrelevant, orders are orders.

And you have proof of those 4 cruise missiles the US has claimed as having crashed in Iran....

sweartome123 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:The crap the MoD is pulling with these videos is astonishingly stupid. Calling a grain silo or a water treatment plant an oil refinery is borderline retarded. It's not fooling anyone.

Junior, here is a phrase for you to learn: "collateral damage''.

Very fine and useful stuff as long as you're not ''it''.

Words to live (and die) by in this century.

So either change your tampon or STFU.

Also, that is neither water plant not grain silo, you amateur... and even if by some miracle is is, see first sentence.

Junior - really?

Stop lying to yourself. Those targets were not oil refineries, but grain silos and a water treatment plant. But please, keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

Massive grain silos and a large water treatment facility in the middle of the barren desert?

kvs wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

sweartome123 wrote:
What the fuck is your problem? I didn't call Russia "a moron." If you consider my criticism of the MoD as an attack on Russia, then you must have some serious head issues.

You are calling Russia mod a liar , trying to discredit its Report and focusing in so meaningless
things that are irrelevant . ISIS are using tricks to hide its operations , covering its trucks as humanitarian aid ,and it will not be surprising that their weapons are stored with the most unexpected places.. the Russian military needs to bomb any facility terrorist consider of value an period. Whether is was a "chocolate factory" or a chemical weapons facility it needs to be bombed an Period..

In fact for ISIS it will be logical to store weapons ,light weapons in the places you claim ,Russia bombed. IF you look several pages earlier the MOD exposed tricks ISIS uses to hide their Oil and weapons. ANy facility that can be of help for  terrorist needs to be bombed.

The Russian MoD BS'd over not losing any cruise missiles on their way over Iran to targets in Syria, and they might have ordered the shot-down co-pilot to BS about not entering Turkish territory too (although hell knows with that).

So yeah, the MoD lies, it's a military organization, it follows orders and those orders are given by the Commander in Chief; lying or telling the truth is irrelevant, orders are orders.

And you have proof of those 4 cruise missiles the US has claimed as having crashed in Iran....

I think he is referring to the 1 cruise missile. The other 4 claimed didnt hold water because even the US authorities who made the claims stuttered and back tracked a bit.  Althougj, I wouldnt doubt if 1 more fell and Iran quickly swept up.  So 1 with a possible 1 other.  Pretty darn good overall results.

Some interesting curious report.. that could be something..

Apparently an American satellite "broke" in nov 25 ,for "mysterious reasons" in space.
just a day after the Russian plane was shot down in nov 24.


http://spacenews.com/noaa-weather-satellite-suffers-in-orbit-breakup/


Might be just a coincidence but the timing is kind of weird. SOme Suggest Russia
destroyed it in retaliation for US AWACS assisting Turkey planes with intelligence
to ambush the Russian plane. and or for supporting Turkey in the aggression to Russia.

Whatever it is.. whether an accident or a retaliation by Russia.. people will need to pay
attention to what happens in Space.. Because one effective way ,that Russia have to pressure
US to stop supporting ISIS and its war against Syria is precisely shutting down satellites in undercover ways. This is because if done covertly ,by a lazer for example.. it will be difficult
to proof Russia did it. Other targets could be CIA staff or US special forces in Syria.. that
Russia knows its location.. and a mysterious mortar bomb could land in their positions.
But shutting down satellites that are really expensive is the most effective way to pressure
US to stop its policies in Ukraine and Syria.

F. Hell...almost 3 pages over trivial BS.

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Another convoy hit...no doubt transporting the "grain" from those silos everyone is obsesing about




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Something interesting about the Tiyas (spelling?) airbase which was in the news yesterday as a possible RuAF or even IrAF base....I didn't realise it was the base from where SyAF SU-24's took off in 2013 to fly around Cyprus

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Massive grain silos and a large water treatment facility in the middle of the barren desert?

Last word from Pro Syrian government sites.. insiders like ZIad from Syrian Perspective
is that the Silos were empty when the rebels captured it years ago.   So If Russia satellites saw a movement of cars towards them..and heavy use of the facilities ,it could only indicate they were using those facilities and storing something important.

About the truck "humanitarian help" from Turkey..
This is why Turkey Police and a turkish journalist got it trouble with Erdogan injustice.
Because Police stopped one convoy labeled as Syrian fund of humanitarian help.. something like
that..and when police inspect the truck had LOTS of military weapons inside mixed with food.

So the Syrian government and Russia needs to bomb any truck no matter what that comes from
turkey. Any humanitarian help ,needs to be coordinated with the Syrian Government and not
illegally invading Syria . Even less allow Turkey trucks to enter in Syria.. since Turkey is at war
with them.

here is a journalist from presstv that was killed by Turkey intelligence after she began
to Expose Erdogan support for ISIS and weapon smugling into Syria. Just a day after she told
her family by phone that the Turkey intelligence was threatening her with jail for her reports..
she appeared dead in a mysterious "car accident". like taken from a mafia movie.



here is the video that got another journalist.. this time Turkey journalist arrested.
The "Food trucks".. stopped by honest Turkey Police that were heading to Syria
when searched contained a Big surprise inside.. and Turkey intelligence staff operating the trucks.  The Turkey police about 300 of them were all fired from their job and some arrested for doing their job and the truck liberated by Erdogan to continue its travel to Syria.  



This is corruption at the highest levels.

here is the operative to arrest the weapons smugglers that happened to be Turkey intelligence
officers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-Jd5lcl2I

2 generals also arrested..    and total silence over this incident in US and NATO media.

so much for "humanitarian help" ,those convoys are full of trucks full of food and bullets and weapons for the islamic state and Alqaeda controlled zones.. and many of them are using
"united nations aid" banners . For the only reason Erdogan not in jail is because Obama
major political cover to erdogan..

PapaDragon, KoTeMoRe, kvs, KiloGolf, OminousSpudd, and Vann7,

The responses that you gave to this troll named sweartome123 was very impressive.

Vann7 wrote:Some interesting curious report.. that could be something..

Apparently an American satellite "broke" in nov 25 ,for "mysterious reasons" in space.
just a day after the Russian plane was shot down in nov 24.

http://spacenews.com/noaa-weather-satellite-suffers-in-orbit-breakup/

Might be just a coincidence but the timing is kind of weird. SOme Suggest Russia
destroyed it in retaliation for US AWACS assisting Turkey planes with intelligence
to ambush the Russian plane. and or for supporting Turkey in the aggression to Russia.

Whatever it is.. whether an accident or a retaliation by Russia.. people will need to pay
attention to what happens in Space.. Because one effective way ,that Russia have to pressure
US to stop supporting ISIS and its war against Syria is precisely shutting down satellites in undercover ways.  This is because if done covertly ,by a lazer for example.. it will be difficult
to proof Russia did it.  Other targets could be CIA staff or US special forces in Syria.. that
Russia knows its location.. and a mysterious mortar bomb could land in their positions.
But shutting down satellites that are really expensive is the most effective way to pressure
US to stop its policies in Ukraine and Syria.

Meanwhile back on earth VP has been talking again. Put it here as I can't find the Russia/Turkey thread. If Turkey is going to "suffer" it will have an impact of stuff in the shops in Russia next year. Greece/Egypt etc won't be able to take up the slack that quickly.

Vladimir Putin said that Erdogan "will regret what's been done", but Russia is not going to engage with "sabre rattling" with Turkey. The Russian President also said that Turkey "will not be let off with just tomatoes" for downing Russian Su-24. "Turkey will not just suffer from limitations on tomatoes, construction companies. Turkey will regret many times what's been done", Putin has warned.

The resolution of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers adopted on November 30 approves the list of agricultural products, raw materials and food originating from Turkey that will be prohibited from being imported to Russia beginning on January 1, 2016. Russian economic sanctions imposed against Turkey would have a devastating effect on the Turkish economy, Ben Aris, editor-in-chief of the Business New Europe magazine, told Radio Sputnik. Russia will ban the import of a range of fruit and vegetables, as well as chicken and chicken products from Turkey, the Russian government said. The list of foodstuffs banned starting as of January 1 includes tomatoes, onions, shallots, cucumbers, cauliflower, broccoli, pickles, oranges, tangerines, grapes, apricots, pears, peaches, plums, strawberries, and apples, as well as most chicken and turkey products along with salt and cloves.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151203/1031170132/putin-state-address-turkey.html#ixzz3tFWLjLlw

Putin makes special reference to the widows of the Pilot and the marine died in Syria , during his annual speech in Moscow

QSD Turkmen Commander: "Turkmens are Syrians, not Turks"

wanted , dead or dead by Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov
hunt and eliminate

graphic..
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-02-at-2-06-58-pm.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780

Don't stop there. Do the same to his family if they had knowledge of their proclitivites and haven't reported it.
It is high time the enablers and those that do not report start to feel the wrath. It would probably also make some of these pieces of shit think twice if they know that their actions mean their families become a biological dead end.

wilhelm wrote:Don't stop there. Do the same to his family if they had knowledge of their proclitivites and haven't reported it.
It is high time the enablers and those that do not report start to feel the wrath. It would probably also make some of these pieces of shit think twice if they know that their actions mean their families become a biological dead end.

Why not go one step further and punish the entire village?

whir wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Don't stop there. Do the same to his family if they had knowledge of their proclitivites and haven't reported it.
It is high time the enablers and those that do not report start to feel the wrath. It would probably also make some of these pieces of shit think twice if they know that their actions mean their families become a biological dead end.

Why not go one step further and punish the entire village?

Read my sentence again FFS.
I'll highlight or bold the important stuff, as you seem to have real issues reading and comprehending basic sentences, before making an unrelated silly remark with a roll eyes emoticon.

Just the same as those idiots from the family of one of the Paris murderers knowing he had gone to Syria and had been radicalised. Their family member went to a warzone involved and supported people who cut peoples heads off, throw people off buildings, take children as slaves/sex slaves, and line up thousands of people and machine gun them into pits.
They admitted that, but never bothered to report it.
That must stop, or they become accessories to the crime. It is high time there were repercussions, or you will never ever solve this.

wilhelm wrote:

whir wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Don't stop there. Do the same to his family if they had knowledge of their proclitivites and haven't reported it.
It is high time the enablers and those that do not report start to feel the wrath. It would probably also make some of these pieces of shit think twice if they know that their actions mean their families become a biological dead end.

Why not go one step further and punish the entire village?

Read my sentence again FFS.
I'll highlight or bold the important stuff, as you seem to have real issues reading and comprehending basic sentences, before making an unrelated silly remark with a roll eyes emoticon.

Just the same as those idiots from the family of one of the Paris murderers knowing he had gone to Syria and had been radicalised. Their family member went to a warzone involved and supported people who cut peoples heads off, throw people off buildings, take children as slaves/sex slaves, and line up thousands of people and machine gun them into pits.
They admitted that, but never bothered to report it.
That must stop, or they become accessories to the crime. It is high time there were repercussions, or you will never ever solve this.

I've no reading not comprehension problems but thanks for the cheap personal attack.

Families rarely can do anything because those that plan to travel to conflict zones rarely have the approval or any support from their relatives and going to the police is usually too late or worthless since they can't jail people based on the assumption that they could end up traveling abroad in the future.

The "cheap personal attack" was well deserved considering your silly sarcastic reposte that contributed nothing and was unrelated to what I actually posted. Take your medicine.
The fact is, just like in the Paris attack, that the family knew he went to Syria and was involved with murderous jihadi zealots responsible for terrible atrocities, knew he was radicalised, yet did absolutely nothing about it. By their own admission.

These things do not happen in a vacuum. You do not wake up one day and suddenly appear and start cutting peoples heads off, or start spraying innocent men, women and children with machinegun fire at concerts.
If the family had voiced their concerns as responsible people should, at least monitoring could occur.
I will state right now that this piece of scum above let it be known what his thoughts were to at least some people.
It is always the case.

whir wrote:

wilhelm wrote:

whir wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Don't stop there. Do the same to his family if they had knowledge of their proclitivites and haven't reported it.
It is high time the enablers and those that do not report start to feel the wrath. It would probably also make some of these pieces of shit think twice if they know that their actions mean their families become a biological dead end.

Why not go one step further and punish the entire village?

Read my sentence again FFS.
I'll highlight or bold the important stuff, as you seem to have real issues reading and comprehending basic sentences, before making an unrelated silly remark with a roll eyes emoticon.

Just the same as those idiots from the family of one of the Paris murderers knowing he had gone to Syria and had been radicalised. Their family member went to a warzone involved and supported people who cut peoples heads off, throw people off buildings, take children as slaves/sex slaves, and line up thousands of people and machine gun them into pits.
They admitted that, but never bothered to report it.
That must stop, or they become accessories to the crime. It is high time there were repercussions, or you will never ever solve this.

I've no reading not comprehension problems but thanks for the cheap personal attack.

Families rarely can do anything because those that plan to travel to conflict zones rarely have the approval or any support from their relatives and going to the police is usually too late or worthless since they can't jail people based on the assumption that they could end up traveling abroad in the future.

That same approach was used by US delta force in conjunction with the CIA and a Columbian special task force to bring down Pablo Escobar. They identified and started killing members of Escobar's family and those of his associates, and even other persons tangentially associated with those persons and their family members. That process of going up the chain by levels of association was called "hops." It was very draconian, but perhaps proved effective. They can get away with things like that in third-world countries.

Good news from Jihadi Julian...

Julian Röpcke ‏@JulianRoepcke Dec 2
#Putin's Su34 bombed rebels at the ISIS front E of Azaz for the whole day.