Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

Militarov wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

par far wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

par far wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:I usually prefer militarymaps.info but I stumbled across this jem on liveuamap. They are reporting that their own worst nightmare has arrived in the form of Buryats to fight the Beheaders. So the Ukrops are still licking their wounds from Debaltsevo.

http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/26-january-buryats-now-in-syria

How do change the language on militarymaps.info, everytime I go on there? It does not work, Liveuamap is pro west but it is simpler, so I just see the map and not read anything, they could/should make militarymaps.info a little easier to nagivate.

There is the icon with the flag on the sidebar. That should translate the language to one of your choice, sometimes it doesn't work too. I agree that liveuamap is much nicer to look at despite its political leanings, but militarymaps has more information if you know how to read it.

Militarymaps does have more information but it is a pain to navigate, I am trying to read militarymaps.

I use militarymaps.info usually when I am at home and have access to a big powerful desktop because it has a tendency of crashing browsers and sucking up processing time.

In other news the FSA Southern Front has just gotten a brand new MLRS that originates from China.

I belive its just MLRS launcher placed on top of HOWO truck, it does not really look like real factory made MLRS.

Doubtful the truck started its life as a MLRS too. There was a Chinese mine that somehow found its way to the Beheaders in Syria a few months ago. As it turned out, the mine was exported to several states around the world, one of those states just happened to be the UAE. Wouldn't be surprised if this brand new truck wound up there in a similar fashion.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

par far wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

par far wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:I usually prefer militarymaps.info but I stumbled across this jem on liveuamap. They are reporting that their own worst nightmare has arrived in the form of Buryats to fight the Beheaders. So the Ukrops are still licking their wounds from Debaltsevo.

http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/26-january-buryats-now-in-syria

How do change the language on militarymaps.info, everytime I go on there? It does not work, Liveuamap is pro west but it is simpler, so I just see the map and not read anything, they could/should make militarymaps.info a little easier to nagivate.

There is the icon with the flag on the sidebar. That should translate the language to one of your choice, sometimes it doesn't work too. I agree that liveuamap is much nicer to look at despite its political leanings, but militarymaps has more information if you know how to read it.

Militarymaps does have more information but it is a pain to navigate, I am trying to read militarymaps.

I use militarymaps.info usually when I am at home and have access to a big powerful desktop because it has a tendency of crashing browsers and sucking up processing time.

In other news the FSA Southern Front has just gotten a brand new MLRS that originates from China.

I belive its just MLRS launcher placed on top of HOWO truck, it does not really look like real factory made MLRS.

Doubtful the truck started its life as a MLRS too. There was a Chinese mine that somehow found its way to the Beheaders in Syria a few months ago. As it turned out, the mine was exported to several states around the world, one of those states just happened to be the UAE. Wouldn't be surprised if this brand new truck wound up there in a similar fashion.

Seems that HOWO truck we saw in that video originated from SAA, apparently it was captured by FSA in previous months.





Howo models – Cargo ZZ2167M4327A 4×4 and ZZ2257N4357A 6×6 were delivered to SAA during 2015.

Im wondering why the Russian army are about Putin height, more smaller than the average people. They look even smaller than the average Syrian soldier. It have to be perhaps the food with lack of proteins? and red or white meat?  Maybe it have to do with the ethnicity of mixing
with Asians. Since chinese and vietnamese are usually small. Their traditional food also lacks
in proteins and meat.. Chinesse mostly eat rice and when they can eat fish. If you compare that with Africans that diet is heavy in proteins and red meats ,they are average tall. Why most Basketball tallest players are usually from african ethnic group.

It seems that the tallest Russians comes from regions closer to Europe like baltics and scandinavia and or Poland. Not that it matters at all for war.. Mongols were very fierce fighters and nearly wiped all Asia and Russia and they were all small. but is something that is noticeable.
ethnic Russians mens are generally small people and have small heads . you don't notice that until you see chechens.. that have huge heads and very wide jaw..

Average Height (Entire population/adults-All ages over 20 years,20+)
Country/Average Male Height (cm)/population

Netherlands 180,6 16318199
Montenegro 180,0 625266
Iceland 179,8 319355
Norway 179,3 4737171
Sweden 179,3 8986400
Denmark 178,8 5413392
Serbia 178,5 10159046
Czech Republic 178,3 10246178
Slovenia 178,1 2007711
Luxembourg 178,0 486006
Croatia 177,6 4496869
Germany 177,4 82424609
Estonia 177,1 1307605
Slovakia 177,1 5397036
Austria 177,0 8174762
Belgium 176,6 10348276
Switzerland 176,5 7450867
United States 176,4 293027571
Finland 176,2 5214512
Poland 176,0 38626349
Greece 175,7 10647529
Australia 175,6 19913144
New Zealand 175,5 3993817
United Kingdom 175,4 60270708
Hungary 175,3 10106017
Latvia 175,2 2023825
Canada 175,1 32507874
Ukraine 175,0 47732079
Ireland 175,0 3969558
Russia 175,0 143782338
Israel 175,0 7112359
Lithuania 175,0 3565205
Bulgaria 175,0 7284552
Turkey 174,1 68893918
France 174,1 60424213
Italy 173,2 58057477
Jamaica 172,8 2804332
Spain 172,0 40280780
Romania 172,0 22355551
Azerbaijan 172,0 8177717
Uruguay 171,5 3399237
Argentina 171,3 39144753
South Korea 171,0 48598175
Algeria 170,9 32129324
United Arab Emirates 170,8 9205651
Iran 170,6 67503205
Portugal 170,5 10524145
Côte d'Ivoire 170,4 18373060
Tunisia 170,3 9974722
South Africa 170,0 42718530
Cameroon 170,0 16063678
Gambia 170,0 1735464
Ghana 169,8 23382848
Brazil 169,5 184101109
Colombia 169,4 42310775
Taiwan 169,3 22920946
Chile 169,2 15823957
Venezuela 169,0 23542649
Paraguay 169,0 6191368
Qatar 169,0 1699435
Egypt 169,0 76117421
Japan 168,6 127333002
Hong Kong 168,5 7210505
China 168,3 1298847624
Cuba 168,0 11308764
Singapore 168,0 4353893
Thailand 167,3 64865523
Saudi Arabia 167,2 25795938
Mongolia 167,1 2751314
Panama 167,0 3661868
Malaysia 166,3 23522482
Costa Rica 166,0 4586353
Malawi 166,0 13931831
Bahrain 165,6 718306
Iraq 165,4 25374691
Nigeria 165,0 138283240
Mexico 165,0 104959594
Ecuador 164,5 14483499
Peru 164,3 27544305
Bolivia 164,0 10496285
North Korea 163,8 22697553
El Salvador 163,6 5744113
Sri Lanka 163,6 20064776
India 162,3 1065070607
Vietnam 162,1 82689518
Philippines 162,0 86241697
Indonesia 161,5 238452952
Cambodia 160,3 13363421

Indeed scandinavia and netherlands are the nations of giants. Serbia Montenegro too.
Imagine how will have been if Peter Romanov was alive today.. he was a real Giant
6 feet and 8 inches a whopping 2.03 meters height  



and then in full plate armor.. should have been a really intimidating leader..


If not mistaken Peter the great was the tallest leader ever in history of the world?  
Even Linconl was smaller 6 ft 4 in or 1.93 m.

But appearances can be deceiving. Napoleon who was the most  brilliant military leader in Europe was even smaller than putin (1.7m) vs 1.68 or 5 feet,6 inches.

In service it was funny to look at the formations, We had tall guys then somewhere in the middle a short guy then average height and so on. I also did notice our guys are kind of short compared to theirs.

Younger generation in Russia is quite tall. Perhaps people who join the military are compensating somehow, but I can tell you from first hand experience that 18 year old Russians are not short and the women in particular are pretty tall. Pre-WWII Soviet generations were small as can be seen with pictures of Soviet and US servicemen standing together on the Elbe. Severe conditions and malnutrition from that era. Yury Gagarin was 5'3"

Also, Wikkepedia "average heights" from many areas of the world are useless. The height must be measured (not self-reported) and most be current. Any person who has travelled in Asia can attest to the dramatic increase in height in generations in short time spans.

The actual study of populations' height is called auxology. The theory is that most human populations will tend towards the same height given the same environmental conditions over generations.

Height means very little and I don't know why you guys are bothering to discuss it.

A tall fat American is not going to be able to fight better than a short skinny Vietnamese citizen... that is not how height works.

Better nutrition did not win the Vietnam war nor the Afghan war nor the Korean war. The fact that the American invaders likely were taller than their Cuban counterparts did not lead to their success at the Bay of Pigs.

A pygmy in a jungle probably has a much better and more varied diet than a tall Zulu warrior from the grasslands of Africa.

Vann7 wrote:Im wondering why the Russian army are about Putin height, more smaller than the average people.

You know you cannot overgrow The Leader )

Vann7 wrote:Im wondering why the Russian army are about Putin height, more smaller than the average people. They look even smaller than the average Syrian soldier. It have to be perhaps the food with lack of proteins? and red or white meat?  Maybe it have to do with the ethnicity of mixing
with Asians. Since chinese and vietnamese are usually small. Their traditional food also lacks
in proteins and meat.. Chinesse mostly eat rice and when they can eat fish. If you compare that with Africans that diet is heavy in proteins and red meats ,they are average tall. Why most Basketball tallest players are usually from african ethnic group.

It seems that the tallest Russians comes from regions closer to Europe like baltics and scandinavia and or Poland. Not that it matters at all for war.. Mongols were very fierce fighters and nearly wiped all Asia and Russia and they were all small. but is something that is noticeable.
ethnic Russians mens are generally small people and have small heads . you don't notice that until you see chechens.. that have huge heads and very wide jaw..

What a load of crap. I can't believe I've read that.

I'm Russian. And I have average height. I'm 186 cm.

I am 178cm, never had problems with height, I fit just about OK in gutted T-72.
Imho, young russians are really tall and starting get eurofat(women esp)
Father told me that in late 70s and mid 80s vdv guys were no less than 180cm tall. Most of them were from Russian countryside. Sibiriaks were thoughest bunch,

Rabia. Some RuAF and advisers.

Just my  bit re height of Russians..

I think it depends on which part of the (gigantic) country you are from.
My father's background is Kiev and Central Ukrainian region - classed themselves as Russian when they left. His build is  taller and thicker bones than mine.

I'm half Western, but my build seems more "typically Russian" than his. I've got a long back vs short thighs, and fairly tall. Lighter bones eg wrists but broad shoulders and a lot of natural plyometric strength. As I see Britons, Germans, Dutch, Nordics tend to be bigger on average than a "typical Russian" as do Croats etc. But only by very little. Italians tend to be very small. I'm sure the Russians in Syria are WAY bigger than the locals. Some parts of Russia have big, tall heavy boned types as typical.

And re build and soldier effectiveness. Well carrying round a rocket launcher, you want strength. But I dont think small build hinders fighters, probably helps them. Likewise in unarmed combat, size matters fuck all if you are schooled properly. I dont think Bruce Lee ever moaned "but he's bigger than me..." Haha.

I don't think this picture was uploaded by Ult or anyone else yet.

Firebird wrote:Just my  bit re height of Russians..

I think it depends on which part of the (gigantic) country you are from.
My father's background is Kiev and Central Ukrainian region - classed themselves as Russian when they left. His build is  taller and thicker bones than mine.

I'm half Western, but my build seems more "typically Russian" than his. I've got a long back vs short thighs, and fairly tall. Lighter bones eg wrists but broad shoulders and a lot of natural plyometric strength. As I see Britons, Germans, Dutch, Nordics tend to be bigger on average than a "typical Russian" as do Croats etc. But only by very little. Italians tend to be very small. I'm sure the Russians in Syria are WAY bigger than the locals. Some parts of Russia have big, tall heavy boned types as typical.

And re build and soldier effectiveness. Well carrying round a rocket launcher, you want strength. But I dont think small build hinders fighters, probably helps them. Likewise in unarmed combat, size matters fuck all if you are schooled properly. I dont think Bruce Lee ever moaned "but he's bigger than me..." Haha.

Average height doesn't really tell you much. It is necessary to construct a distribution (I assume some variation of a Gaussian distribution) of heights and find parameters like standard deviation, mean, and median. If the distribution is skewed to either side (as it probably is), then mean will not be equivalent as median. Also, it is possible to have a distribution with a lower mean/median than another but a larger standard deviation which will result in a higher proportion of people with greater/smaller height than some threshold in the former case compared to the later. Essentially, "average" height is an insufficient parameter to pass any kind of judgement.

franco wrote:What in blazes is this? Looks more like a plane then a bomb...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIkip3fmEY&feature=youtu.be

Most likely FAB500 derivate with drag parachute.



FAB-500SHL for an example, i belive there are 4 variants with slight differences.



More info in Russian regarding similar derivates: http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/ab/ofab-250shn.html