Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

Project Canada wrote:
This is so frustrating. As more Russian casualties continue to mount the more laugher the American terrorists and their jihadi dogs are getting, until how many Russian servicemen are murdered before Russian authorities declare a war of annihilation and wipe out the terrorist pigs from the face of the planet??!?  

Russia has its hands tied by Kerry's fake peace deal. Russians have to please the Israelis. Russians have to please the Americans. Russians have to please the western partners. Never do Russians have to please their real friends the Iranians. Russians make the most stupid decisions sometimes.

SturmGuard wrote:Terrible news, and several gruesome images and videos have been published by terrorist scum. In addition, there are rumours that one of the passengers was a woman/translator, and that the helicopter was carrying the humanitarian aid delivery/negotiators.

The only question that needs to be asked is why the RuAF didn't make an immediate appearance and cleanse those savages desecrating the bodies and cheering around. Literally leave none alive in Idlib. I honestly don't understand the contempt for lives of Russian servicemen that Russian command displays. You can't bring back the dead and comfort their families, but at least prevent the morbid scum from celebrating, and don't let their deaths be for nothing. At this point the Russian casualties have already mounted, time to reconsider launching a step by step extermination operation, because this is clearly not working.

And I believe we all know the source and type of weapons responsible for all airforce losses in Syria.

And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.

Fair points, especially after the emotional cooldown period. The route for such helicopter indeed seems to be off.

However, this period of intense battles should have been foreseen, and the necessary number of gunships and ground attack aircraft provided. Was there a more target rich environment since the beginning of Russian intervention?

How is it even possible for assorted rebels and jihadi scum to advance and capture ground in the face of supposed air and artillery superiority? How can they succeed in attacking along obvious routes, do they have the prerequisite local force superiority?

I know this is armchair generalship and chairborne commando writing. Nevertheless, I am confident that combat groups of size similar to those that devastated crack UkrOp troops would wreck havoc on rebel lines, especially if generously supported by heavy artillery and air power. The surrounded and isolated groups and positions could then be systematically dealt with.


Btw. has there been any confirmation that the helicopter was indeed carrying officers of that notorious Reconciliation centre and the accompanying translator?

Russians apparently think there is peace in Syria. Hip hip horray. Uh, the biggest battle on the planet is raging in Aleppo. Russians don't care about helping SAA. Only care about distributing humanitarian aid as part of the peace deal. Out of touch with reality is what cost these 5 Russians their lives. Had Russians understood there is a war in Syria, these 5 Russians would have been alive now.

This is a word of warning. If Russians do not treat this war as a war, then this war will go on for many decades and thousands of Russian servicemen will die needlessly for nothing. Treat a war seriously, or you will end up paying the price.

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.

Fair points, especially after the emotional cooldown period. The route for such helicopter indeed seems to be off.

However, this period of intense battles should have been foreseen, and the necessary number of gunships and ground attack aircraft provided. Was there a more target rich environment since the beginning of Russian intervention?

How is it even possible for assorted rebels and jihadi scum to advance and capture ground in the face of supposed air and artillery superiority? How can they succeed in attacking along obvious routes, do they have the prerequisite local force superiority?

I know this is armchair generalship and chairborne commando writing. Nevertheless, I am confident that combat groups of size similar to those that devastated crack UkrOp troops would wreck havoc on rebel lines, especially if generously supported by heavy artillery and air power. The surrounded and isolated groups and positions could then be systematically dealt with.


Btw. has there been any confirmation that the helicopter was indeed carrying officers of that notorious Reconciliation centre and the accompanying translator?

Let's recap:

1. The Mil-8 was on a "wrong" axis with no escort. Big red flag n°1.
2. The helicopter was well equipped for standart threats at certain alt. It clearly was low (and was hit by AAA) with a different spectrum of threats.
3. There's already an battering distributed by the VKS around axis of attack.
4. The axis in Aleppo is giagantic. It goes from limits of Idlib to basically, the areas of attack here:

You can see that while the beardies are cunts, they're not idiots. they'rz trying to link up through the highway on Hikmah/1070 and trying to join up down south-west. Also capture "ground", this isn't different from the Shirokino BS. it's a pitched battle.

5. Russia doesn't want to deploy a large group to fight a war that has the means to sustain itself. But it can bomb those goatfuckers indefinitely. Until something breaks. And it did in Aleppo.
6. Russians are winning this. No matter how you look at it. It's no "Mission Acomplished" BS, it's lengthy and it will take time.

Thank you for the informed reply, KoTeMoRe, appreciate it.

Russians act stupid. Refuses to supply counter battery radars to SAA. With counter battery radars, the war would be over in weeks.

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/760112440906481664

FSA North Division fight SAA using American supplied arms. Americans are western partners of Russia. Suuuuuuuure, Putin

The Mi-8 should have been escorted by Mi-35M and Mi-28N. Putin said peace all around in Syria, mission accomplished. The Mi-8 was on a humanitarian mission and did not have proper escort. It was out of touch with reality, thinking there is no war in Syria, that caused this.

RIP to the dead heros in Syria! No time for bla, bla please...it's war and it's overall terrible in Syria. Russia did a good job in Syria and will continue. The heros died in fullfillment of their duty!

the scene with the russian pilot reminds me that of us blackhawk pilots in Somalia 1993

sepheronx wrote:The Russians knew the risks. But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

Certainly, RIP, happens every time one gets involved in a modern conflict, now is there any confirmation on what actually brought down the Mi-8 AMTSh(?) seeing the helicopter in question had several countermeasure systems installed.

MANAPDS? Heavy Jihadi-ground fire from ZPU-23s and what not? And at what altitude?


Or am I asking this way too early?

Some official numbers

Russian Aerospace Forces Actively Support Syrian Army in Repelling Attacks

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160801/1043836725/russia-syria-aerospace-forces.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Some official numbers

Russian Aerospace Forces Actively Support Syrian Army in Repelling Attacks

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160801/1043836725/russia-syria-aerospace-forces.html

More than 800 militants were killed, and 14 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and more than 60 vehicles with mounted weapons destroyed,”

That does indicates the HIGH level of commitement to this offensive by the various groups involved in this, when they've poured units from Latakia/Ildib and these are their casulties? Should indeedly open up more SAA-pushes in the mentioned provinces as these are irreversible losses in terms of vehicle equipment, unless they manage to capture more..

But as long as they keep throwing more men and material into the the defensive SAA meat grinder with heavy Russian air support? Good game.

Nearly 10,000 jihadists are involved in this battle. This battle is expected to last several days or even a few weeks. Russia air force should have been involved at the start. It was appeasement to Russia's enemies Israel and America that delayed Russian involvement and now the battle is harder than it should have been.

Shadåw wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Some official numbers

Russian Aerospace Forces Actively Support Syrian Army in Repelling Attacks

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160801/1043836725/russia-syria-aerospace-forces.html

More than 800 militants were killed, and 14 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and more than 60 vehicles with mounted weapons destroyed,”

That does indicates the HIGH level of commitement to this offensive by the various groups involved in this, when they've poured units from Latakia/Ildib and these are their casulties? Should indeedly open up more SAA-pushes in the mentioned provinces as these are irreversible losses in terms of vehicle equipment, unless they manage to capture more..

But as long as they keep throwing more men and material into the the defensive SAA meat grinder with heavy Russian air support? Good game.

None of this will matter one bit if SAA runs away and allows snackbars to lift the siege. Yesterday this battle and by extension war against the ''moderates'' was won.

Today by allowing heavily advertised offensive from only possible direction to ''surprise'' them they are deep in the process of being completely defeated. Only in Syria.

PapaDragon wrote:None of this will matter one bit if SAA runs away and allows snackbars to lift the siege. Yesterday this battle and by extension war against the ''moderates'' was won.

Today by allowing heavily advertised offensive from only possible direction to ''surprise'' them they are deep in the process of being completely defeated. Only in Syria.

Jihadists don't give a damn about their lives. SAA soldiers do. Please have a little respect for soldiers.

SturmGuard wrote:.

The only question that needs to be asked is why the RuAF didn't make an immediate appearance and cleanse those savages desecrating the bodies and cheering around. Literally leave none alive in Idlib. I honestly don't understand the contempt for lives of Russian servicemen that Russian command displays. You can't bring back the dead and comfort their families, but at least prevent the morbid scum from celebrating, and don't let their deaths be for nothing. At this point the Russian casualties have already mounted, time to reconsider launching a step by step extermination operation, because this is clearly not working.

BEcause Putin already told mission accomplished. havent you heard?

Russia suffers from an bad management incompetence. It sends its planes alone to do missions ,
and it did not monitor properly either SYrian skies . The mi-8 could have been shutdown by a
NATO coalition plane long range missile and they not even aware of it. So as long Putin the monkey is at the head of Russia ,every military operation in Syria will put at major risk the lives of Russian serviceman . This accident could have been avoided had Russia used an old cargo plane flying hight at night.  But as is now Putin is only making Russia to look bad in the world image by so much lives lost in Syria . if that mi-8 was properly escorted and flying high enough
it will have defeated any manpad or direct fire.  Many of the losses in Syria by Russian serviceman have been for the mediocre organization of Russia in Syria.   serviceman trying to stop Suicide bombers pickups armed with just an ak-74 and covering behind a civilian car ,shows an enormous level of incompetence . and once again Russia bad habit for under estimating its enemies.

If i was taking decision in Russia ,i will have never send any serviceman to any mission
without giving them the best possible security to achieve it. But the Russian Army and Airforce
are operating with the limitations imposed by their monkey President. And where is India and China and BRICS humanitarian help to Syria? Again incompetence by Bad leader Putin. If Russia was doing things right ,it will have other allied nation helping them at very least with
humanitarian aid . There is no fucking reason why India or China is not doing the humanitarian
aid part in Syria ,so that Russia can focus in the fight only. Russia needs a leader that can convince China and India to stop being so lame and participate at very least in humanitarian
missions in Syria ,so not all the burden of the war is over Russia.

PapaDragon wrote:

Shadåw wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Some official numbers

Russian Aerospace Forces Actively Support Syrian Army in Repelling Attacks

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160801/1043836725/russia-syria-aerospace-forces.html

More than 800 militants were killed, and 14 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and more than 60 vehicles with mounted weapons destroyed,”

That does indicates the HIGH level of commitement to this offensive by the various groups involved in this, when they've poured units from Latakia/Ildib and these are their casulties? Should indeedly open up more SAA-pushes in the mentioned provinces as these are irreversible losses in terms of vehicle equipment, unless they manage to capture more..

But as long as they keep throwing more men and material into the the defensive SAA meat grinder with heavy Russian air support? Good game.

None of this will matter one bit if SAA runs away and allows snackbars to lift the siege. Yesterday this battle and by extension war against the ''moderates'' was won.

Today by allowing heavily advertised offensive from only possible direction to ''surprise'' them they are deep in the process of being completely defeated. Only in Syria.

This is do or die. If the news are real and the VKS has cremated a battalion worth of beardies, the pinch on the guys on the ground is going to be felt overtime.
Yes the attack was "advertised" but once again, you don't have control on the ground, you rely on different people to fight and spot and give intel. It's do or die.

I really do believe the Takfiri's are putting everything they got in this push. In the footage i have seen they are pushing trough open fields under constant bombardment from aircraft and artillery. I just hope the aircraft crews and technicians can keep up this hellish pace for the next couple of days. Also : The SAA must take advantage of this and push steadily (but not overzealos ) on other fronts to take advantage of the no doubt weakened "Rebel" defense lines, and capitalize on this turn of events. The situation in Aleppo is and will remain critical for some time, but regardless of that, the SAA needs to up the pressure on other fronts.



About the helicopter being shot down.

Again, with what little information we are getting now, my first impression would be crew error or perhaps a malfunction in the vehicle. There is imho no apparent reason for that helicopter to fly in that area in the first place. My guess would be that they somehow strayed from their planned course. Trough pilot error or trough malfunctions perhaps? Or perhaps they where called in for an emergency strafe round with unguided rockets, and never made it to the target area.... Nothing can be said for sure at this time.

RIP to the pilots.

Its a damn shame the takfiri's got their hands on bodies of the crew and where allowed to do their usual routines. But it should be no surprise, and it was bound to happen.
The Russian air crews will do their best to avenge their fallen comrades, and they will be on the mind of the pilots as they drop another batch of cluster munitions...

SAA needs counter battery radars to knock out terrorists artillery. Russia needs to supply some ASAP, immediately if possible.

Resistance wrote:SAA needs counter battery radars to knock out terrorists artillery. Russia needs to supply some ASAP, immediately if possible.

I thought I would never say this but after seeing this Resistance, I agree with your posts(where you say "take out the terrorists, "Putin is being weak, he needs to go all out etc etc).

You are not dealing with humans, you are dealings with wild animals, the only way to take out a wild animal, is to kill them.

This made my blood boil.

VERY GRAPHIC FOOTAGE

https://southfront.org/jihadists-desecrate-bodies-of-fallen-russian-pilots-in-idlib-very-graphic-footage/

I just wish I could get my hands on that journalist Rana, dam it Putin, let the Russian Forces go all out.

par far wrote:

Resistance wrote:SAA needs counter battery radars to knock out terrorists artillery. Russia needs to supply some ASAP, immediately if possible.

I thought I would never say this but after seeing this Resistance, I agree with your posts(where you say "take out the terrorists, "Putin is being weak, he needs to go all out etc etc).

You are not dealing with humans, you are dealings with wild animals, the only way to take out a wild animal, is to kill them.

This made my blood boil.

VERY GRAPHIC FOOTAGE

https://southfront.org/jihadists-desecrate-bodies-of-fallen-russian-pilots-in-idlib-very-graphic-footage/

I just wish I could get my hands on that journalist Rana, dam it Putin, let the Russian Forces go all out.

There should have been support helis at the ready...

Where is the moral US/Euro outrage? enough of this bullshit, it's time for Russia to show the world what she can do.