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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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Cyberspec Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:57 am
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Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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Cyberspec Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:58 am
recent pics from around DeZ
https://vk.com/wall-55849790_200499
https://vk.com/wall-55849790_200499
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d_taddei2 Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:43 am
( I wasn't aware that a Su-33 also fell into the sea thought it was only a mig-29k )
Russian Su-24 Warplane Crashes in Syria, All Crew Members Dead
The crash could have been the result of mechanical failure, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
"On October 10, when accelerating ahead of takeoff from the Hmeymim airfield in Syria, a Su-24 aircraft veered off the runway and crashed. The crew of the plane did not eject in time and died," the Russian Defense Ministry statement said.
No facilities were destroyed on the ground. A technical malfunction could have caused the crash, the ministry said.
On November 14, 2016 and December 4, 2016, a MiG-29K jet and a Su-33 fighter, respectively, rolled off the deck of Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and were lost at sea. Both planes were part of the aircraft wing of Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov during the operation in Syria.
A defense industry source told Sputnik in March 2017 that the loss of the fighter jets was caused by a break in the carrier's arresting wire.
Earlier in 2016, a Russian Aerospace Forces Mi-28N Havoc helicopter crashed near the city of Homs in Syria, killing both pilots, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201710101058089232-russia-su-24-warplane-crew/
Russian Su-24 Warplane Crashes in Syria, All Crew Members Dead
The crash could have been the result of mechanical failure, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
"On October 10, when accelerating ahead of takeoff from the Hmeymim airfield in Syria, a Su-24 aircraft veered off the runway and crashed. The crew of the plane did not eject in time and died," the Russian Defense Ministry statement said.
No facilities were destroyed on the ground. A technical malfunction could have caused the crash, the ministry said.
On November 14, 2016 and December 4, 2016, a MiG-29K jet and a Su-33 fighter, respectively, rolled off the deck of Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and were lost at sea. Both planes were part of the aircraft wing of Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov during the operation in Syria.
A defense industry source told Sputnik in March 2017 that the loss of the fighter jets was caused by a break in the carrier's arresting wire.
Earlier in 2016, a Russian Aerospace Forces Mi-28N Havoc helicopter crashed near the city of Homs in Syria, killing both pilots, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201710101058089232-russia-su-24-warplane-crew/
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2x ТОS-1А Solntsеpeк MRLS in Syria
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JohninMK Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:07 am
Given the work rate its surprising something like this hasn't happened already. RIP to the crew.
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JohninMK Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:09 am
They must be a logistics nightmare!George1 wrote:2x ТОS-1А Solntsеpeк MRLS in Syria
The crew looks very relaxed on their working holiday.
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JohninMK Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:22 am
Looks like the SBU, probably with friends, has been digging into Wagner activities.
The Ukrainian special services speculate that Wagner is composed of around 5,000 members with only around 1,500 identified. 3/n
NG reports Wagner are transported to Syria via Russia air force and navy and source their heavy equipment from the Russian army. 4/n
This is the location of the GRU training center South of Krasnodar they are thought to prepare at: 44°47'33.7"N 39°13'14.8"E
Postscript: These are the documents RBC dug up tying Wagner to the training facility south of Krasnodar. http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/printForm/view.html?printFormId=11787229 …
https://twitter.com/Er_Woods/status/917503153649672192
The Ukrainian special services speculate that Wagner is composed of around 5,000 members with only around 1,500 identified. 3/n
NG reports Wagner are transported to Syria via Russia air force and navy and source their heavy equipment from the Russian army. 4/n
This is the location of the GRU training center South of Krasnodar they are thought to prepare at: 44°47'33.7"N 39°13'14.8"E
Postscript: These are the documents RBC dug up tying Wagner to the training facility south of Krasnodar. http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/printForm/view.html?printFormId=11787229 …
https://twitter.com/Er_Woods/status/917503153649672192
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ultimatewarrior Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:27 pm
It's ridiculous Russia still flies decades old Su-24. Should have been flying Su-34 and all Su-24 donated to SAA.
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ultimatewarrior wrote:It's ridiculous Russia still flies decades old Su-24. Should have been flying Su-34 and all Su-24 donated to SAA.
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ultimatewarrior wrote:It's ridiculous Russia still flies decades old Su-24. Should have been flying Su-34 and all Su-24 donated to SAA.
Su-24's flight costs is much much lower than Su-34's.
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After two years of intensive war campaign 1 Su-24M crash in Syria. This is still excellent result as planes crashes new or old even in peace time use. By your logic saudi Arabia should donate all their Eurofighters, because one crashed in Yemen. And F-15E as well.
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medo wrote:After two years of intensive war campaign 1 Su-24M crash in Syria. This is still excellent result as planes crashes new or old even in peace time use. By your logic saudi Arabia should donate all their Eurofighters, because one crashed in Yemen. And F-15E as well.
Agreed. RuAF has a stellar record over Syria throughout this campaign. I'm not going to talk about RuN as we need to see more of them to judge.
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PapaDragon Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:44 pm
Guys please stop replying or quoting that dipshit, it's screwing up my ignore function.
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ultimatewarrior Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:45 pm
Russia is wasting time. If I were Putin, I tell terrorists to surrender or FOAB Idlib. It worked on Japan. It works on everyone.
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ultimatewarrior wrote:Russia is wasting time. If I were Putin, I tell terrorists to surrender or FOAB Idlib. It worked on Japan. It works on everyone.
You should know better, the Soviet invasion worked on Japan, not that propaganda stunt on Hiroshima.
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Russia is wasting time. If I were Putin, I tell terrorists to surrender or FOAB Idlib. It worked on Japan. It works on everyone.
It didn't work on Japan... the US had to destroy two Japanese cities before the Japanese surrendered...
How many thousands of childrens hospitals and libraries and museums would be destroyed... according to the western media....
There is no hurry ISIS needs to be dealt with and so do the other participants.
Some you can bomb and others you need to talk to, which takes time.
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JohninMK Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:04 am
Indeed and there will be an ongoing problem in parts of the country where the locals are sympathetic to ISIS and the others of staybehinds starting guerilla operations.
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GarryB wrote:Russia is wasting time. If I were Putin, I tell terrorists to surrender or FOAB Idlib. It worked on Japan. It works on everyone.
It didn't work on Japan... the US had to destroy two Japanese cities before the Japanese surrendered...
How many thousands of childrens hospitals and libraries and museums would be destroyed... according to the western media....
There is no hurry ISIS needs to be dealt with and so do the other participants.
Some you can bomb and others you need to talk to, which takes time.
I read somewhere that there is a delegation from the YPG visiting Moscow this week.
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JohninMK Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:02 am
Clearer photo of the second S-400 installation. Roll on the third in Deir.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL4S1nqWsAE41nH.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL4S1nqWsAE41nH.jpg
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This battery was the first S-400 battery to see the real action, the S-300VM was transported to somewhere else.
S400 reloading.
https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/918422380384604160
This battery was the first S-400 battery to see the real action, the S-300VM was transported to somewhere else.
S400 reloading.
https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/918422380384604160
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Found this interesting. Author claims that Russia has superiority in conventional stand-off capability in the M-E, and that makes attacking it's relatively small force in Syria a highly costly proposition for Washington. I'm no military-tech guru, so can't really speak to the thoroughness of the author's argument.
http://www.unz.com/article/russia-the-800-pound-gorilla/
http://www.unz.com/article/russia-the-800-pound-gorilla/
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
miketheterrible Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:39 am
BKP wrote:Found this interesting. Author claims that Russia has superiority in conventional stand-off capability in the M-E, and that makes attacking it's relatively small force in Syria a highly costly proposition for Washington. I'm no military-tech guru, so can't really speak to the thoroughness of the author's argument.
http://www.unz.com/article/russia-the-800-pound-gorilla/
it breaks down to both the SAA support in Syria mixed with Russia's rather long range striking capabilities from the Caspian region. Lets put this into perspective:
Russian Kh-101 proved itself to be rather very accurate and capable, while being stealthy and flies low. Making it very difficult to deal with. Those can be launched at US military installations from around 5K KM. Then there is Kalibr which then can handle the same tasks but at ranges roughly up to 2k KM and those are a cheaper option. Russia's bashtion and other anti ship assets would be enough to deal with most of US ships in the region. Only thing is, is US air force would be a problem as they can fly low and use any mountainous regions to be able to hide from S-400 air defense systems, they can also strike from outside Russian AD ranges. But, they could potentially jam the jets with their EW assets in Syria. There is also fact Russia could fly in aircrafts using refueling, for missions as well. I would say Russia's geography works in its favor here.
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miketheterrible wrote:BKP wrote:Found this interesting. Author claims that Russia has superiority in conventional stand-off capability in the M-E, and that makes attacking it's relatively small force in Syria a highly costly proposition for Washington. I'm no military-tech guru, so can't really speak to the thoroughness of the author's argument.
http://www.unz.com/article/russia-the-800-pound-gorilla/
it breaks down to both the SAA support in Syria mixed with Russia's rather long range striking capabilities from the Caspian region. Lets put this into perspective:
Russian Kh-101 proved itself to be rather very accurate and capable, while being stealthy and flies low. Making it very difficult to deal with. Those can be launched at US military installations from around 5K KM. Then there is Kalibr which then can handle the same tasks but at ranges roughly up to 2k KM and those are a cheaper option. Russia's bashtion and other anti ship assets would be enough to deal with most of US ships in the region. Only thing is, is US air force would be a problem as they can fly low and use any mountainous regions to be able to hide from S-400 air defense systems, they can also strike from outside Russian AD ranges. But, they could potentially jam the jets with their EW assets in Syria. There is also fact Russia could fly in aircrafts using refueling, for missions as well. I would say Russia's geography works in its favor here.
US installation would be badly destroyed specially those close to syria or in syria. Don t forget they also have iskander there with probably 10 reloads or more. Which means 10 targets destroyed for sure.
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Chronicle of the "Syrian Express"
Tables listing all the known Landing ship Russian Navy flights to Syria, trips of ships from remote fleets and generalizing statistics (significant corrections are typed in a dark blue font).
Chronology of flights in full view (3800 px) - by click
https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/173427.html
Tables listing all the known Landing ship Russian Navy flights to Syria, trips of ships from remote fleets and generalizing statistics (significant corrections are typed in a dark blue font).
Chronology of flights in full view (3800 px) - by click
https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/173427.html
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George1 wrote:Chronicle of the "Syrian Express"
Tables listing all the known Landing ship Russian Navy flights to Syria, trips of ships from remote fleets and generalizing statistics (significant corrections are typed in a dark blue font).
Chronology of flights in full view (3800 px) - by click
https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/173427.html
Very interesting to see the real dimension of the transport operation to Syria.
It is in the order of thousands of tanks, and other equipment and ammunition.
Also the trend to decrease the operation volume means that there is an important reserve of material in Syria at this point.
It is perfectly possible that Syria has today available in its own territory amounts of material in the level of its pre-war arsenals despite all the loses.
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