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You could be right, LMFS. Looks like a hint on the Su-57 working with UCAV´s.
LMFS wrote:That was Borisov if I am not wrong.
LMFS wrote:BTW, this comes apparently from TsAGI, don't have further details but looks like an unmanned fighter, maybe like Okhotnik but or A2A role? If this means something real, maybe a manned light fighter would not appear at all, or would be developed with an unmanned version too... speculating is free
The plane has an additional bulge below the nose that I have not seen in other prototypes, maybe it is related to this function?Hole wrote:The silhouette of an Su-57 and something resembling the Okhotnik on the tail, together with a lightning bolt between them.
For Russians could be not that far away if Okhotnik is going to fly this year, Su-57 test prototype is being prepared and this "thing" in the picture is real, current and unmanned as it seems (Chinese BTW seem to be working on the same kind of plane, see Dark Sword), then there would be both A2A and A2G dedicated accompanying drones, which is by the way the most logical approach. This all indicates concrete, real world oriented work, so I think implementation could be before end of 2020's.GunshipDemocracy wrote:At some point of time all AF's move to unmanned models. The question is when this point will be...
I wonder why this "wind catcher" on drone's back is for?!
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marcellogo wrote:Excuse me but the designations of state armament program make no sense at all:
currently there are TWO SAP ongoing, the one called 2011-2020 and the 2018-2027 (it should have been 2016-2025 but Ukraine crisis get to delay it of 2 years) now bdmp talk about a 2026-2035 i.e. something that would began before the latter expires and six years after the completion of the former
It seems me that the idea was that there would always been two SAP working on at the same time in any given year overlapping one with the other, so I would have expected the next one would be a 2023-2032(instead of a 2021-2030) followed by a 2028-2037 not another six year gap.
franco wrote:marcellogo wrote:Excuse me but the designations of state armament program make no sense at all:
currently there are TWO SAP ongoing, the one called 2011-2020 and the 2018-2027 (it should have been 2016-2025 but Ukraine crisis get to delay it of 2 years) now bdmp talk about a 2026-2035 i.e. something that would began before the latter expires and six years after the completion of the former
It seems me that the idea was that there would always been two SAP working on at the same time in any given year overlapping one with the other, so I would have expected the next one would be a 2023-2032(instead of a 2021-2030) followed by a 2028-2037 not another six year gap.
Always the same plan. System is that there is a 10 year plan which is reviewed and revised after 5 years for the next 10 years.
marcellogo wrote:franco wrote:marcellogo wrote:Excuse me but the designations of state armament program make no sense at all:
currently there are TWO SAP ongoing, the one called 2011-2020 and the 2018-2027 (it should have been 2016-2025 but Ukraine crisis get to delay it of 2 years) now bdmp talk about a 2026-2035 i.e. something that would began before the latter expires and six years after the completion of the former
It seems me that the idea was that there would always been two SAP working on at the same time in any given year overlapping one with the other, so I would have expected the next one would be a 2023-2032(instead of a 2021-2030) followed by a 2028-2037 not another six year gap.
Always the same plan. System is that there is a 10 year plan which is reviewed and revised after 5 years for the next 10 years.
So next revision would be in 2023 right?
franco wrote:
Always the same plan. System is that there is a 10 year plan which is reviewed and revised after 5 years for the next 10 years.
marcellogo wrote:So next revision would be in 2023 right?
franco wrote:If they continue their present timeline, the review should be in 2022 to cover 2023-2032 period. As you are aware the last review was held off for 2 years due to economic and political conditions.
LMFS wrote:For Russians could be not that far away if Okhotnik is going to fly this year, Su-57 test prototype is being prepared and this "thing" in the picture is real, current and unmanned as it seems (Chinese BTW seem to be working on the same kind of plane, see Dark Sword), then there would be both A2A and A2G dedicated accompanying drones, which is by the way the most logical approach. This all indicates concrete, real world oriented work, so I think implementation could be before end of 2020's.
Since so many things here resembles Su-57 it is likely optimized for air2air combat. Subsonic strike UCAV more likely would be delta wing like SKAT. LFMS wrote: I assumed the "wind catcher" was part of the test set up, but don't know with certainty. The plane itself is an interesting mix of F-35 and Su-57 characteristics. Maybe is a discarded study from early 2000's or maybe the common base for LMFS, STOVL and A2A UCAV, who knows!
marcellogo wrote:...Previous info were that the full scale production would have begun in 2023 and it would have had a sense: keep on with Su35/Su-30SM production after 2020 to replace remaining Su-27S and P and wait for the Su-57(S?) as a substitute for Su-27SM/SM3.
PapaDragon wrote:
Su-27 received it's last round of upgrades and will be phased out, Su-24 is getting retired soon and Su-25 will follow albeit much much later.
magnumcromagnon wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Su-27 received it's last round of upgrades and will be phased out, Su-24 is getting retired soon and Su-25 will follow albeit much much later.
The Fencer getting retired soon? I don't think so! After the Syria campaign, if anything it revitalized it's career, the Gefest-T targeting system and the accurate use of cheap iron bombs is a winning combination. The cost of procuring FAB-500's is something in the ball park of $2000-5000 USD, and the Su-24 is probably cheaper to operate than Su-34. Future upgrades to the Su-24 doesn't have to be fancy, simple and cheap airframe refurbishment should suffice.
You can't escape wear and tear. Just look at Tu-22 crash today.
Fencers are having their last rodeo, time for new stuff.
PapaDragon wrote:
PapaDragon wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Su-27 received it's last round of upgrades and will be phased out, Su-24 is getting retired soon and Su-25 will follow albeit much much later.
The Fencer getting retired soon? I don't think so! After the Syria campaign, if anything it revitalized it's career, the Gefest-T targeting system and the accurate use of cheap iron bombs is a winning combination. The cost of procuring FAB-500's is something in the ball park of $2000-5000 USD, and the Su-24 is probably cheaper to operate than Su-34. Future upgrades to the Su-24 doesn't have to be fancy, simple and cheap airframe refurbishment should suffice.
You can't escape wear and tear. Just look at Tu-22 crash today.
Fencers are having their last rodeo, time for new stuff.
GarryB wrote:
If only that were true... but sadly new stuff crashes too.
Even the "Road Burner 2000"...
magnumcromagnon wrote:...How convenient for you that you didn't mention the pair of Su-34's that just crashed recently....so tell me how old were they?
PapaDragon wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:...How convenient for you that you didn't mention the pair of Su-34's that just crashed recently....so tell me how old were they?
So pilot error & mid-air collision = old airplane & wear and tear?
That's amazing, you should write books. For kids. Small kids. Very special small kids.
magnumcromagnon wrote:PapaDragon wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:...How convenient for you that you didn't mention the pair of Su-34's that just crashed recently....so tell me how old were they?
So pilot error & mid-air collision = old airplane & wear and tear?
That's amazing, you should write books. For kids. Small kids. Very special small kids.
Your not going to bring up all the F-35's being grounded either huh? Again how convenient for you.
GarryB wrote:...And the F-35 is the peak of modern fighter technology in your opinion...
No Garry, that's your opinion since you're the one who can't stop talking about that thing
Su-24 is on it's way out because it's approaching it's expiration date, plain and simple
They would have been gone long ago if Russia hadn't been financial dumpster for two decades straight
And they still have the whole fleet streamlining to handle
PapaDragon wrote:
You can't escape wear and tear. Just look at Tu-22 crash today.
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