magnumcromagnon wrote:Indian comedy guys....
India has urged Russia to prove that the su-57 fighter-"invisible"
Russia urged India to prove that they aren't deadbeat leeches
More at 11
magnumcromagnon wrote:Indian comedy guys....
India has urged Russia to prove that the su-57 fighter-"invisible"
PapaDragon wrote:Russia urged India to prove that they aren't deadbeat leeches
More at 11
Better idea: sell it to Pakistan and let them show India how stealth it ismagnumcromagnon wrote:Indian comedy guys....
India has urged Russia to prove that the su-57 fighter-"invisible"
magnumcromagnon wrote:Indian comedy guys....
India has urged Russia to prove that the su-57 fighter-"invisible"
So too many chefs?
pretty much a "do it yourself 5G fighter kit" from Sukhoi
Well, if it was about real cooking adding Italy would be a very smart move!
Out of jokes, only thing that's needed would be having a political class with a dorsal spine.
They don't need India, and their offer of a FGFA is simply an attempt at engaging a semi-ally for mutual-gain. It says a lot about the Indians that they throw a hissy fit and pick-up Murican propaganda talking points to disparage Russian miltech. With "friends" like these, who needs adversaries?
LMFS wrote: But there is a sector of media and apparently defence guys too that makes too much noise and are clearly putting a spoke in India's wheels by creating all kinds of fake speculations against Russian armament. I have no doubt who is their owner, they give themselves away using the same stupid arguments of Western media. Indian society would do well calling them out for what they are.
True!
LMFS wrote:
Turkey already has advanced plans for the TF-X, but actually using the Su-57 airframe instead would be much better. They could unify their fleet in one single true multirole plane at a fraction of the development cost and still have the stuffing of their own liking, pretty much a "do it yourself 5G fighter kit" from Sukhoi
JohninMK wrote:LMFS wrote:
Turkey already has advanced plans for the TF-X, but actually using the Su-57 airframe instead would be much better. They could unify their fleet in one single true multirole plane at a fraction of the development cost and still have the stuffing of their own liking, pretty much a "do it yourself 5G fighter kit" from Sukhoi
Turkey appear to have got into bed with BAE to develop from scratch a stealth fighter but that is a decade away.
Just think about the impact of a Su-35ET assembled in Turkey/UK with Turkish/British electronics, radar, weapons and engines. Long term replacement for the Tornado, so in comes the Germans and Italians.
We can dream
Yes, the TF-X program is very advanced already, but was started as a ambitious "all domestic" (with foreign partnerships) development considering the F-4s would be substituted with the F-35s and it would substitute the F-16. In fact from what we know it will be almost a heavy fighter, well beyond F-16. But if that was not all done and decided, creating a domestic version of the Su-57 would have been much cheaper and much better. Prototype of TF-X is scheduled for 2024 IIRC, so I guess the program will not be modified seriously now.JohninMK wrote:Turkey appear to have got into bed with BAE to develop from scratch a stealth fighter but that is a decade away.
Just think about the impact of a Su-35ET assembled in Turkey/UK with Turkish/British electronics, radar, weapons and engines. Long term replacement for the Tornado, so in comes the Germans and Italians.
We can dream
Military Watch Magazine wrote:
Russia’s Su-57 Next Generation Fighter Shoots Lasers to Blind Enemy Missiles - A Look at the Directional Infrared Countermeasures System
Like other high end fifth generation aircraft such as the American F-22 Raptor, the Su-57’s airframe integrates several missile launch detector apertures to provide warning as to potential enemy missile attacks. Unlike the Raptor however, the fighter also deploys turrets which are capable of firing lasers to blind incoming missiles. This is an invaluable asset in both air to air engagements and for penetration of enemy air defences, and provides and excellent complement to the fighter’s high performance supermanoeuvrable airframe which is already extremely difficult to target. DIRCM turrets are mounted both dorsally behind the fighter’s cockpit and ventrally under the cockpit. While such systems have previously been mounted on larger military aircraft such as U.S. C-17 transports, their miniaturisation and deployment on an airframe as small as that of a fighter aircraft is wholly unprecedented. Russia’s armed forces have previously deployed DIRCM on larger helicopters, though these have been far from compact relative to that seen on the Su-57. Such systems are considered particularly effective against infra red guided missiles such as the American AIM-9 air to air missile or 9K32 Strela-2 surface to air missile system. Russia’s experience against infra red guided surface to air munitions such as MANPADS (man portable air defence systems), which have taken a toll on its aircraft in the past including in Jihadist hands in Syria, provides a strong incentive to equip its leading combat jet with adequate countermeasures against such attacks with a DIRCM system.
While useful against MANPAD attacks, as the Su-57 was designed primarily for high end air to air engagements the need for defence against such low level attacks from the ground, which are highly limited in their altitudes, remains secondary. The fact that the Su-57 deploys DIRCM turrets on both the top and the bottom of its airframe indicates that its intent is to intercept attacks from both the air and the ground - which is highly consistent with the philosophy which appears to drive its overall design. The Su-57 design is based heavily on the concept that high manoeuvrability, limited stealth capabilities and modern electronic warfare countermeasures will allow it to evade long range missile attacks and engage in visual range or near visual range fights. The ability to blind enemy infra red guided missiles is thus particularly valuable, as such missiles are relied on almost exclusively for short range air to air engagements where the applicability of radar guided missiles remains limited. Examples of short range air to air missiles using such guidance systems, all of which are thus left vulnerable to neutralisation by DIRCM, include the American AIM-9X, British AIM-132, Israeli Python-5 and Soviet R-73 - the last which is deployed by several of Russia’s potential adversaries in Eastern Europe such as Poland, Slovakia and Ukraine. The ability to neutralise infra red guided air to air missiles would provide the Su-57 with an overwhelming advantage in short range air to air engagements - a capability no rival fighter has yet to take to prototype stage.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s-su-57-next-generation-fighter-shoots-lasers-to-blind-enemy-missiles-a-look-at-the-directional-infrared-countermeasures-system
Not sure about soruce reliability but if such system is on Su-67 is unlikely only for IR homing. What about radar or optical one?
What would be the Russian equivalent of DAS? Does the Su-57 suffer from lacking it?
Also, why was the IRST never given a stealthy casing the same way the J-20 has on its IRST?
On keypublishing there are claims that the Su-57's wing bulges are too small to carry the R-74. Are there official statements regarding those bulges that contradict these claims?
I think you would call the system in Su-57 MAWS, it is supposed to operate in UV and deal with incoming missiles though I have not seen any official info on it.GarryB wrote:What would be the Russian equivalent of DAS? Does the Su-57 suffer from lacking it?
The Mi-28NM has DAS, as does upgraded versions of the Hind.
The Su-35, the MiG-35, and the Su-57 all have DAS to detect and deal with laser and IR based threats as well as detect incoming missiles of all types... they also have DIRCMs too..
GarryB wrote:MiG-35 has DAS, why would Su-57 not have it?
Hell the westerners think they are special with sensor fusion... MiG-29 and Su-27 had Helmet mounted cueing systems linked together with the IRSTs and radar so any of the three could be used to find and mark targets and transfer the lock to either of the other systems if needed...
What do you mean exactly by DAS? Only equivalent distributed apertures I know are the MAWS and the only info I have seen has it they are UV. I see no problem putting IR or optical systems there is no info about itGarryB wrote:MiG-35 has DAS, why would Su-57 not have it?
Hell the westerners think they are special with sensor fusion... MiG-29 and Su-27 had Helmet mounted cueing systems linked together with the IRSTs and radar so any of the three could be used to find and mark targets and transfer the lock to either of the other systems if needed...
LMFS wrote:What do you mean exactly by DAS? Only equivalent distributed apertures I know are the MAWS and the only info I have seen has it they are UV. I see no problem putting IR or optical systems there is no info about itGarryB wrote:MiG-35 has DAS, why would Su-57 not have it?
Hell the westerners think they are special with sensor fusion... MiG-29 and Su-27 had Helmet mounted cueing systems linked together with the IRSTs and radar so any of the three could be used to find and mark targets and transfer the lock to either of the other systems if needed...