Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #5

kumbor wrote:

Isos wrote:I said AESA technology of byelka is 20 years ahead. It's their first aesa so in the performances will improve later. Irbis is from the 00s while Byelka from today.

Obviously you already flew it, ISOS, so you know! SU -57 is new generation plane!

Su-35 was developed in 00s and started flying in 2007. Su-57 will start service in 2020 and is still in development, all the produced ones are prototypes for testing. 15 years btw the two and some technologies even 20 years like the engines which are the first new engines since the fall of soviet union.

I'm not arguing about capacities of su-57 over su-35 but the technologies being newer and investment being worth losing some money because the techno can be reused in civilian project (and not only on planes) that can compete with the west.

If they didn't invest in pak fa they would be stuck with su-30 upgrades with french avionics. Su-57 technologies will go directly into su-30/35. They already made a contract for "russianalizing" the su-30SM thanks to investment made for su-35 and su-57.

First serial plane.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201905291075437972-russia-su57-air-show/

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia's advanced Su-57 fifth-generation fighters will be shown to foreign delegations for the first time at the MAKS-2019 air show, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport told reporters.

Russia’s Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets to get advanced anti-ship missile

KAMENSK-URALSKY /Sverdlovsk Region/, May 30. /TASS/. Russia is developing an advanced anti-ship missile that will also be used in the ammunition load of Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said on Thursday.

The defense official made this statement as he visited the Urals-based Detal Design Bureau engaged in the project.

"Today the enterprise is working on developing an active homing warhead for the promising anti-ship missile that is planned to be carried by the Su-57 fighter as well," Krivoruchko said.

A working meeting was held on the premises of the Detal Design Bureau to discuss the issue of signing a contract with Tactical Missiles Corporation on acquiring the entire range of air-launched weapons for the Su-57 fighter jets, the deputy defense minister said.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1060779

George1 wrote:

ult wrote:First serial plane.

First two Su-57 gighters will have engines of the first stage ("product 117").

What about the 76 they ordered?

The new-gen engines or what?

Older engines. New engines aren't ready till 2021/22 thus a new order or a refinement of current order would have to be done.

miketheterrible wrote:Older engines. New engines aren't ready till 2021/22 thus a new order or a refinement of current order would have to be done.

those 76 fighters are gonna be delivered till 2027 so I guess some can go with new engine.

By 2027 all of them will be equipped with new engines.

ult wrote:First serial plane.

It could be just video compression but those rivets look super flat to me

I remember people raising royal stink over rivets sticking out on initial prototypes

No think of what you see right there has the "bone" They still need to give the plane it's skin, what you are seeing Papa is perfectly normal.

flamming_python wrote:

What about the 76 they ordered?

The new-gen engines or what?

By 2023 at the latest according to past news reports

Singular_Transform wrote:
The Su-57 is as advanced (apart from stealth) as the Su-35.

The main benefit of it is it will force spending onto the adversaries, to upgrade the radars/ SAM systems.


The US already started due to that the development of dual band radars : D

Not really... is worlds of difference apart!

The Su-57 will be night and day difference in the capabilities of SU-35.

1)Way superior engine than Su-35.. this will allow the plane carry not only
more bigger weapons but also better combat performance ,speed and or range.
2)More advanved electronic warfare
3)Much More advanced radars.. that will be much more difficult to jam and will have higher precision
4)Much more advanced sensors to see other stealth planes..
5)It will carry much more advanced next generation missiles.. including hypersonic weapons.    something the Su-35 don't have. it will carry also bigger bombs..
so much more destruction . it can also carry more weapons if used externally missiles..
6) According to Russia Su-57 will have the ability to operate with Artificial intelligence on its own.. without a pilot , like a drone..  Su-35 will not have such features..
7)Last but no least the plane will be stealth , and will have more features to detect
and see stealth planes..
and bonus apparently some of the electronics in Su-57 will be based on Photonics..  
  This is something completely new ,that no other modern plane in the world have.
  According to one Professor i had in electronic class.. he told me electronics will be
  Obsolete  in the future.. wires and all that electric current science will not apply to
   technology of the future... you can't jam as easily a photonic base communications equipment as you could do with an electronic equipment ..  Communications is also another place Photonics will be revolutionary.. it will be fully safe at least for a decade or more until it became mainstream and people find a way to mess with it.. and no need to secure them ,if the communications is made of photons.

This does not means that an SU-35 can't beat ever in combat an Su-57..  
even a soviet mig-21 plane with a very skilled pilot ,could defeat an amateur
in a modern stealth plane.. when it comes to planes.. SKILLS and tactics will be always better than techonology....it only means the SU-57 ,will be far more capable ,to penetrate enemy defenses and have more possibilities to be successful in any kind of mission ,pilots being both equally skilled ,way more possibilities and capabilities..versus flying an Su-35..

all things said.. as good as the SU-57 could be or not..
I believe for Russia airforce.. is much much much more important a long range
tactical bombers.. than any air superiority plane..

Some Supersonic or hypersonic modern stealth bombers ,armed with kinzhall missiles for example will be more useful to counter NATO navies in case of a major conflict..
So a couple of dozens or more Mig-41's or Pak-DA will be much more useful for Russia
than Su-57.

those 76 fighters are gonna be delivered till 2027 so I guess some can go with new engine.

They can be upgraded later the engines..with the new ones.. not a problem..
they for sure will do everything in a way ,that will be easier to replace the engines
when the new ones are ready.

New instrument panel.



Video:

https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

ult wrote:New instrument panel.



Video:

https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

So what like, one of those curved TV's from Samsung with a few buttons around the edges?

I see a Saitek joystick too

ult wrote:New instrument panel.

Video:

https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

So a single curved screen instead of 2 or 3 ?

Also on the video you can see glimpses of other screens for other aircraft


Apparently, the central panel for the Su-34, Tu-22M3M and TU-160M will be on the same basis.

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=510302&lang=RU

Cyberspec wrote:

ult wrote:New instrument panel.

Video:

https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

So a single curved screen instead of 2 or 3 ?

Also on the video you can see glimpses of other screens for other aircraft


Apparently, the central panel for the Su-34, Tu-22M3M and TU-160M will be on the same basis.

Yeah.

That's funny. That is the exact same url I posted in VK. If you are wondering where I got it from - http://www.elcus.ru/index.php?ID=news

Also I wasn't sure so I didn't mention it there. I suspect those are 25 inches 3200x1200 pixels. But don't quote me on that.
http://www.elcus.ru/indicators.php?ID=starti#

Charly015 has some more stuff about the display & also HUD http://charly015.blogspot.com/2019/06/la-presentacion-de-datos-en-el-su-57.html

Signed contract for 76 SU-57

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20196271757-mIMw0.html

Shouldn't this topic change the name?

Russian Defense Ministry to get 76 Su-57 fighter jets

Fighter jets will be supplied by 2028

KUBINKA, June 27. /TASS/. The Russian Ministry of Defense will receive 76 multirole fighter jets Su-57 within the framework of a contract with Sukhoi Company, Minister of Industry Denis Manturov told reporters on Thursday at the Army 2019 Forum.

"76 aircraft," Manturov said.

Fighter jets will be supplied by 2028, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko told reporters.

Su-57 is a Russian multirole fifth-generation fighter jet designed to destroy all air, ground, and water surface targets. It has stealth coating, keeps weapons inside, and develops supersonic cruising speed.

https://tass.com/defense/1065905

Rob Lee
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Deputy Def Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said the contract for Ka-52M as part of GPV-2027 (expected to be 114 helos) would be signed next year. The price of the Mi-28NM and Ka-52M contracts was estimated at 180-190 B RUB and the 76 Su-57 at 160-170 B RUB



~38 million $ for su-57.

So the total order number so far is 78. It is 2+76, right?