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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:And what about these engines?
https://flotprom.ru/2015/Мвмс53/
As the FlotProm correspondent was told at the company's stand, the engine consists of half of the domestic parts and has a Russian control system.
Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship Rodion_Romanovic Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:14 am
Vladimir79 wrote:Rodion_Romanovic wrote:And what about these engines?
https://flotprom.ru/2015/Мвмс53/
As the FlotProm correspondent was told at the company's stand, the engine consists of half of the domestic parts and has a Russian control system.
The question is where are the other half of those parts coming from? If it isn't a friendly country there is not much to do with it.
Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship Rodion_Romanovic Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:21 am
anyway kalashnikov is currently a very successful complex and already build several small patrol ships. If they are participating to the building process it is a very positive fact.SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vladimir79 wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Other companies we're willing to produce marine engines M50 series before (example) but Zvezda was hoarding patents. I think recently they were forced to Branch out to other manufacturing companies in Russia to help produce.
They came under new ownership last year and the parts were subcontracted to Kalashnikov Group. The problem is the financial situation of the plant, they hardly posted a profit in 2017 and with the delays of 2018 have suffered over $100 million in late fees. The State only fronts 10% of the order and the rest upon delivery. In order to expand production they need financing and no one wants to give out loans to a credit risk. Kalashnikov is under threat of not receiving payment as they only get paid when Zvezda has money to pay them.
I wasn't aware worse then I thought.
The State only fronts 10% of the order and the rest upon delivery. In order to expand production they need financing and no one wants to give out loans to a credit risk. Kalashnikov is under threat of not receiving payment as they only get paid when Zvezda has money to pay them.
I presume its an anti-corruption thing.What a crazy situation... sounds like the state is just shooting itself in the foot.
Hopefully means more 22800 engine building action?!NPK "Star" headed by ex-director of "Barnaultransmash"
April 30, 2019 at 19:27 Topic: Industry
The Zvezda research and production concern, the management company of the St. Petersburg Diesel Building Plant of the same name, changed its manager. The corresponding entry in the register, according to the information-analytical service"Kommersant Card Index", made on April 19th.
The new director of Zvezda was the ex-head of Barnaultransmash, Viktor Silivakin, who replaced Viktor Lesch on this post. Silivakin also headed the diesel plant of PJSC Zvezda as CEO-Managing Director. The previous head of the company, Kirill Kuklinsky, remains there as an adviser, an informed industry source told Mil.Press FlotProm.
In PJSC "Zvezda", the publication was confirmed by the change of leadership, however, they refrained from additional comments.
A second industry source familiar with the situation told Mil.Press FlotProm that the diesel and gear production assets of PJSC Zvezda and Zvezda Reducer JSC can be consolidated. Auction for the sale of 92.57% of the state shares of "Star Reducer", announced the "Russian auction house",canceled on behalf of the Federal Property Management Agency.
The production chains of these two enterprises are linked to each other, ex-head of NPK Zvezda Viktor Lesh told the publication in February 2019.
Viktor Silivakin headed Barnaultransmash (part of the GAZ Group). Victor Lesh was led by JSC "SPC" Star "with the May 2018 Kirill Kuklinsky to go to." Star "worked in JSC" Sinara-Transport Machines ".
marat wrote:http://tass.com/defense/1061855
MOSCOW, June 5. /TASS/. Shipbuilders will lay down two Project 22800 Karakurt-class cruise missile corvettes for the Pacific Fleet on July 1, the press office of Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation reported on Wednesday...
PapaDragon wrote:marat wrote:http://tass.com/defense/1061855
MOSCOW, June 5. /TASS/. Shipbuilders will lay down two Project 22800 Karakurt-class cruise missile corvettes for the Pacific Fleet on July 1, the press office of Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation reported on Wednesday...
This is a fourth location where Karakurts will be built
Just imagine if they did the same with Mercuries or Gorshkovs?
Just imagine if they did the same with Mercuries or Gorshkovs?
Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:09 am
Isos wrote:Just imagine if they did the same with Mercuries or Gorshkovs?
The bad side of doing this for gorshkov is that, with the low number of orders, each shipyard would produce 1 ship or 2 so the quality would be questionable for every ship.
With 1 or 2 shipyards building all of them means they got experience at building them and quality will be very good after the 2 nd ship for sure. And they will be able to switch to gorshkov M and then to liders.
Having so many shipyards for a rather low amount of ships to build is a pain in their ass IMO. They should expend biggest and best shipyards and let smallest ones care of themselves with small warships and civilian projects.
Isos wrote:Just imagine if they did the same with Mercuries or Gorshkovs?
The bad side of doing this for gorshkov is that, with the low number of orders, each shipyard would produce 1 ship or 2 so the quality would be questionable for every ship.
With 1 or 2 shipyards building all of them means they got experience at building them and quality will be very good after the 2 nd ship for sure. And they will be able to switch to gorshkov M and then to liders. ...
Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...
As for 20386, if the plan is to have 10 ships of this class, they could split the production between two yards. They could even assign all the remaining ships to other shipyards than severnaya verf, allowing SV to concentrate on gorshkov and/ or gorshkov-m....
hoom wrote:Oh wow.
Poster from Army 2019
Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:51 pm
Isos wrote:hoom wrote:Oh wow.
Poster from Army 2019
No "wow" at all. They didn't even show one with pantsir. And it would be more impressive with a Gorshkov M or a super Gorshkov ...
George1 wrote:At the Amur Shipbuilding Plant small rocket ships "Rzhev" and "Udomlya" of project 22800 were laid.
Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:03 pm
AlfaT8 wrote:George1 wrote:At the Amur Shipbuilding Plant small rocket ships "Rzhev" and "Udomlya" of project 22800 were laid.
Amur?
We wont be seen anything until 2030 than.
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