ult wrote:It was delivered to the VKS.
This looks pretty clean and you can tell the surface is a lot more refined, keep them coming
ult wrote:It was delivered to the VKS.
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Isos wrote:China bought su-35 for engines. They can show whatever they want, they are far behind any other country in terms of engines.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Isos wrote:China bought su-35 for engines. They can show whatever they want, they are far behind any other country in terms of engines.
Calling BS on that. By all accounts the WS-15 seems like an advanced engine. Far behind any other country? Pfftt...
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Isos wrote:And who is using chinese engines ?
If I remember correctly you are a former engineer. You should know that your very first product can't compete with other products produced by companies ghat have a long tradition of making it.
It's like russian first civilian plane since their industry was destroyed during USSR fall. The SSJ100. It's just full of foreign stuff and it isn't as good as foreign competitors. Now they need years to make it all russian.
You can't just start a new techno and expect to be amoung the best. China can show is engine today that won't change the fact its their first engine abd will be wirst than russian/western.
The thing also is that china hides its crashes and real values about tests. Russia/west not really. So at best they will just claim things and prove nothing.
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ult wrote:It was delivered to the VKS.
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LMFS wrote:User "ancient" @topwar said this, maybe this is the way testing at GLITs will work?
The first (and maybe a few more pieces .. how .. "will go) ALWAYS (meaning any types of airplanes and helicopters) are transferred to GLITS .. for the stage" A "of military tests wink.
Those. from the planes will ... "squeeze .. all the" juices ", to identify" correspondences or non-conformities of the Airplane Flight Manual provisions "... in ALL modes and with all types of ASP. soldier
Maybe the 2nd and 3rd serials are the same ... as the process "goes on", then stage "B" will be carried out by the GLITs themselves or stage "B" will be transferred to Lipetsk) .....
And only then the next cars of the series (if everything is "with an estimate" of about good ") will already be sent to the pulp and paper industry in Lipetsk, for the preparation and development of methods of combat use and amendments and additions to the airplane flight manual for" combat pilots " "changes and additions" result in restrictions .. (temporary or permanent) and sometimes remain valid until ... until a given type of aircraft can be removed from service and decommissioned as a type.
https://en.topwar.ru/178529-pervyj-serijnyj-su-57-postupil-v-ahtubinskij-glic.html
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Scorpius wrote:I would say this: in GLITs, they find out the limits of the combat capabilities of the aircraft and adjust the flight operation manual. The Lipetsk aviation center develops new methods of practical application (tactics, flight control methods, advanced aerobatics) and training of personnel.
Backman wrote:Su 57 won its contract in 2002. Jet goes into service in 2020. 18 years.
F-35 won its contract in 2001. And they are going into service in 2018/2019. 17 to 18 years.
So I dunno what the big deal is about the su 57 being so "late".
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It's like russian first civilian plane since their industry was destroyed during USSR fall. The SSJ100. It's just full of foreign stuff and it isn't as good as foreign competitors. Now they need years to make it all russian.
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GarryB wrote:
It's like russian first civilian plane since their industry was destroyed during USSR fall. The SSJ100. It's just full of foreign stuff and it isn't as good as foreign competitors. Now they need years to make it all russian.
Actually the SSJ100 was deliberately developed with western systems and equipment and engines to make it appeal to western customers and markets...
But it was all a waste of time and effort because we all know how intolerant the west is regarding anything to do with Russia...
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Marcellogo wrote:Comparing the two programs is not such easy.
Let's say they are very different as a result of both the different procedures they use , maximized by the fact that the one ofF-35 was unconventional also to standard western one.
They developed three greatly different versions in the same time and rushed on to introduce them in service even if not completely ready (to use an euphemism).
In case of Su-57 a.t.c. they are actually even exacerbating usual russian insistence into introducing in (wow, 4 words beginning with in, a record, I think) service only full developed models.
miketheterrible wrote:SSJ-100 wasn't Russia's first foray into civil aircraft. Tu-204 was before it and also had offered an all russian digital avionics and used PS-90A engines later in the years. I would have just upgraded the Tu-204 and it would probably be in a lot of numbers by now too.
SSJ-100 is the first for Sukhoi though.