This brings me to the anomaly of New Orleans versus Germany. There has been a spike in New Orleans. Where sewage systems were damaged, after the storms. Sewage leaking into large wetland and marshlands in city. Again the probability of insect transmission or virus evaporating from soiled ground water, into city. Germany has one of the best sewage systems, in the world. Again here low infection rates.
I suspect that the spike in New Orleans had a lot more to do with the huge numbers of people packed together having a good time celebrating Mardi Gras in February than anything else.
Indeed. The corona virus is not new. It spreads like the flu through coughing and sneezing. Nobody talks about insect vectors for the flu. They are a non-issue for the corona virus as well. The primary vectors by far are humans.
There is a good point. It could be related to increased infection rates. But there were many public events early 2020 in USA. In many different city. New Orleans was not unique, in this way.
They claim victims of corona, may not show symptoms, but be carriers and spreaders ! And initially they had many cases, where victims, seemingly had independently got the disease, without coming into contact with any known carriers. If I am right, and given the speed of increase of disease, exceeding normal models, then it is likely that primary source of infection is not human to human transmission by touching or coughing. But a water borne disease, as primary source, with aerosols released by evaporating water or insects. The curve or graph of increase, then being a composite of two separate curves, reflecting different modes of transmission . This may explain, the faster than expected spread of disease.
If virus, jumped from animals to humans. Then it is possible that it exists separately to human populations, in the environment. In this case, this disease will exist and infect new victims, even if it is eradicated in the human populations. Against all those not vaccinated. I think given the locations of initial spread, that primary mechanism involves a water and sewage element.
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France ordered 600 million masks from China. They will be delivered by Antonov 124 (4 flights per week).
The weired thing is that they stop in Moscow before going in Paris. Media say technical stop but there is no need for that. I suspect Moscow will take some masks for the use of the antonovs.
Isos wrote:France ordered 600 million masks from China. They will be delivered by Antonov 124 (4 flights per week).
The weired thing is that they stop in Moscow before going in Paris. Media say technical stop but there is no need for that. I suspect Moscow will take some masks for the use of the antonovs.
Any insinuation that Russia is skimming off masks is pure NATzO hate propaganda designed to cover the behaviour of Pooland, Czechia, and the USA which have been diverting and stealing masks like there is no tomorrow. The only suppliers to Italy of any relevant medical equipment are China and Russia. Of course the NATzO MSM propaganda orifice had to go into high gear (e.g. La Stampa) and lie that Russian aid is not really aid at all but some spying operation on precious NATzO super secret bases.
Russia is obviously using the An-124s to transport equipment from China to Russia. As if it has no right to do this.
Isos wrote:France ordered 600 million masks from China. They will be delivered by Antonov 124 (4 flights per week).
The weired thing is that they stop in Moscow before going in Paris. Media say technical stop but there is no need for that. I suspect Moscow will take some masks for the use of the antonovs.
Any insinuation that Russia is skimming off masks is pure NATzO hate propaganda designed to cover the behaviour of Pooland, Czechia, and the USA which have been diverting and stealing masks like there is no tomorrow. The only suppliers to Italy of any relevant medical equipment are China and Russia. Of course the NATzO MSM propaganda orifice had to go into high gear (e.g. La Stampa) and lie that Russian aid is not really aid at all but some spying operation on precious NATzO super secret bases.
Russia is obviously using the An-124s to transport equipment from China to Russia. As if it has no right to do this.
Did you read what I wrote ?
It's not a cover operation. France bought the masks, it isn't a gift and the antonovs are planed to go through Moscow first which is IMO weired because the french media said technical stop in Moscow. The an 124 doesn't need a technical stop every time it goes from China to Paris.
If its fully loaded, it does need a refueling stop, esp. if no masks r offloaded in the RF. Range: 3,700 km (2,300 mi, 2,000 nmi) with max payload 8,400 km (5,200 mi; 4,500 nmi) with 80,000 kg (176,370 lb) payload 11,500 km (7,100 mi; 6,200 nmi) with 40,000 kg (88,185 lb) payload https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-124_Ruslan#Specifications_(An-124-100M)
The distance between Paris and Beijing is 8,219 km. https://www.distance.to/Paris/Beijing
I once flew from Ulan Bator, Mongolia to Moscow- it took 6 hrs on a Tu-154. Beijing to Paris flight is even longer, so it's possible that another crew would take it from Moscow & back.
Capt(N) @Capt_Navy · 2h The crew of the RFS Orel K266,a Oscar II Class SSGN submarine of the Russian Navy was quarantined due to the infected #COVID19.It turned out that one of the civilians,who was on a business trip on a sub,was in contact with a patient with a coronavirus.https://facebook.com/groups/6832136
Not only the US with hospital ships going into action
Yörük Işık @YorukIsik · Mar 27 #Coronavirus relief for Sakhalin ?: Japanese Min of Defense tweets pictures of Russian Navy ships, travelling E, 95km NW of Cape Sōya -northernmost point of Hokkaidō- spotted by @JMSDF_PAO : Among other ships, we see #ВМФ Project320 #Тф PacificFleet’s OB class hospital ship Irtysh
It's not a cover operation. France bought the masks, it isn't a gift and the antonovs are planed to go through Moscow first which is IMO weired because the french media said technical stop in Moscow. The an 124 doesn't need a technical stop every time it goes from China to Paris.
So France has paid for them... perhaps Russia should seize them and refuse to allow for them to be delivered because of suggested anti democracy acts by France in the Crimea... no evidence but lots of highly likely....
What... you say you paid for it so it belongs to you.... no it doesn't... it is only yours when it is delivered.... Hahahahahaha....
Seriously though it is clearly better to have it stop off in Moscow and then fly on to France than have it land in an EU country that likely would steal the contents...
The Russians are vastly more trustworthy in that regard than members of the EU.
JohninMK wrote:Not only the US with hospital ships going into action
Yörük Işık @YorukIsik · Mar 27 #Coronavirus relief for Sakhalin ?: Japanese Min of Defense tweets pictures of Russian Navy ships, travelling E, 95km NW of Cape Sōya -northernmost point of Hokkaidō- spotted by @JMSDF_PAO : Among other ships, we see #ВМФ Project320 #Тф PacificFleet’s OB class hospital ship Irtysh
grab this video.. it looks that the fraud is being exposed by youtubers..
an interesting development is happening.. it looks like the numbers being told of US covid19 cases.. more and more people ,in the ground visiting hospitals are claiming that it looks as if the official narrative of the government of a mayor pandemic in new york.. is blow out of proportions.. that they ..are artificially inflating the numbers for mysterious reasons.. if there are 100k infested and us government claims why they don't shut down the city ? people have been investigating hospitals.. and they don't see a major emergency in anyone of them.. no ambulances running , police doing nothing.. wallmart normally open every stocked normally.. so the story of the US government of new york pandemic does not add ,to what they see in hospitals.. also they are banning people from filming inside hospitals.. also many people in the youtube forums ,that live in newyork are saying ,they don't notice anything unusual.. that aside of the closing of not important business... everything else appears like any other day..
if it is proven.. the government is lying massively exagerating its numbers..of covid19. (that will explain why the governor don't want to fully close new york city) then it will be because they are hidding something. and they creating a major distraction... so that people believe ,that US have nothing to do ,with the virus in europe and china.. like i said.. it will be extremely suspicious , for united states to be free of virus.. while the rest of the world.. is losing millions of people.. so people are discussing this in youtube.. that the crisis the government claims and what they see in the hospitals does not add up.. so the reasoning is.. that if they have so many 100k infested ,how they know they are infested? they should be send to hospitals to test them and there should be a chaos in hospitals.. of so many people... and building temporary hospitals too.. to deal with the demand.. but in new york city ,that is supposedly the "new wuhan" things doesn't look at all ,like the chinesse experience.. that no one was in the streets.. and full lock down..
this new information adds more fuel.. than indeed. .the entire thing is a circus that they inflate their numbers ,just to hide the fact.. that US military was accused by china of being behind the virus.. a real investigation hospital to hospital ,will clarify if there is a state emergency as they claim or if everything is business as official.. there was a nurse even speaking from one major hospital ,to american media.. and there was no people running anywhere.. everything was quiet.. not a single patient was show ,and the only thing you have about the pandemy was her story.. but the hospitals ,was very peaceful the environment.
watch this videos.. they are walking for 1 hour in new york ,and the lack of emergency is obvious in the city ,the lack of police ,the lack of ambulance rushing to hospital..is too quiet.. and they show it on the video.. is this is not a smoking gun ,the american government is falsifying a pandemic event in new york ,blowing it out of proportions.. then no idea what a crisis is.. this is night and day difference ,to the crisis happening in italy. or the one that happened in china.
another interesting fact.. is that even though US claims to have 100k infested.. which is world highest... they report the lowest rate of kills ,in the world.. so that will be very convenient for explaining why hospitals not collapsing ,because most infested stay in their houses..
US gov.. are masters of deception.. they can pull things like this.. to fool the world ,that they are facing a covid19 attack.. they could infect people with a normal flu.. and tell them. .they have "covid19..". just as a cover ,of their fraud.. somewhere i read.. that US don't allow chinese doctors to inspect american hospitals and investigate their covid19 cases.. they are hidding something and falsifying the numbers ,artificially inflating them as a distraction.. so people don't question their government participation on the virus in china..
Can anyone imagine the shock waves that will happen around the world.. if the European Union openly says US is artificially falsifying and inflating their numbers ,and that they are hiding something ?? that they want to investigate their infected people ? can anyone imagine the disaster that will happen if the european union accuse United States of being the author of the virus on china and europe? and that they are falsifying their numbers to hide something..
some interesting facts.. 1)brazil refuse to lock down their cities 2)uk refuse to lock down their cities.. 3)US lock down new york . but only on paper.. people are allowed to freely move.. 4)Sweeden that shares border with russia.. is not locked.. 5) mexico is not locked.. is still open and people freely move.
US and UK ,are hiding something big about the virus and it will be a matter of time ,someone will speak and expose the fraud.. that covid19 was an attack of US on the same countries they had a trade war in europe and to stop china it is really interesting to know that the nations , that are more loyal to united states like baltics ,poland experience near zero casualties to covid19.. and the ones most attacked in europe are the nations who welcomed chiness 5G and huawei phones ,even when trump warned them to not do business. Japan numbers also very low.. taiwan numbers nearly zero.. even when hundred of thousands of taiwan people work in mainland china.. all major allies of US , are barely hit by the virus..and this video confirms new york is not in a major crisis as they claim.. this also explain why the refusal of the governmenor of new york to close new york with 100k infested.. because is a fraud.. their crisis.. not at the level they claim.. so they are hiding something.
so lets summarize the pandemic in new york.. which supposedly we were told ,was the place with more infections in the world.. what could be learned in this video.. -no police controlling population on the streets.. -almost no ambulances sirens.. -no long lines , -hospitals operating normally..but empty.. -people that saw the video from different parts of new york saying the same thing. they don't notice any difference. -police at the gate of the hospital.. banning the filming with cameras near the place. -no face mask on any of ambulance workers..on the epic center of the covid19 in new york.. and neither on anyone else.. -fake media .caught lying about morgues and army positioning in hospitals. -and in the last seconds on the video you will see ,biggest retail home and electric store in new york opened.. just like any normal day.. and people without face mask..
. this is clear evidence ..smoking gun.. that US gov are falsely claiming new york is in crisis. and US face a major crisis.. of covid19... and they artificially inflating their numbers of corona virus.. if not totally fabricating the whole story or numbers more closer to canada.. in the few hundred. and all of them contained .even before they were infested.. probably is not even corona virus but a normal flu ,or people that had respiratory problems.. way before the virus.
it can't be explained why canada and mexico who have open borders with US ,have so few numbers of covid19.. or maybe it can.. because the entire story is fabricated.. and only asia and europe the ones attacked.
grab the above video.. because it could be censored and reupload it again if deleted. the above video should be given to the european union and the world to expose US is lying about its corona virus crisis in new york. i knew such an event like a pandemic in US ,will be very difficult to fabricate .. and new york is supposedly the place ,that more people are infested in the world.. even more than china.. people in the video are thinking that the fake is because of a major take over.. but in reality is a smoke screen they creating , a distraction.. to not raise suspicion ,that covid19 ,is a bio weapon ,and that they are artificially inflating their numbers to not raise question ,why the rest of the world is dying and they not. this is why trump banned flights from europe.. but not from latin america.. or asia..or canada that also infested..
there is also US media are hiring nurses actors.. also claiming the collapse of their hospitals.. but not a single tear from their eyes.. .happening in new york.. this is how far the deception is.
i think i was the first to say.. now is clear how US will fight their future wars.. with bio weapons.. they targeted europe ,china and russia with them... and i can't imagine how ugly things will become if a major bio war start in retaliation.. US could be provoking china ,russia and europe to respond with the same medicine to them.. and or kick us bases from europe..
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One way an investigative journalist could find out the truth, about actual numbers, is to study open source material on recently deceased individuals, in local papers or public records, of register of Birth, marriages and death. And to validate by talking to relatives or colleagues.
I think that, whatever the initial source of Virus. That it propagates very fast. Using different avenues. For example by infected waste water, mixing with flood water or ground water, used for drinking water. Or by vapouraization. Since water vapour carries algae and bacteria, much heavier particles. There was a case of red rain in India. Algae picked up from the sea or forest, that rained down, on land !
Here you can see connection to water. Coastal communities suffering more. Since possible waste water discharged at sea. Evaporates and blows back inland to condense on surfaces. On cool nights. Same with areas around the great lakes. But areas inland seem better.
https://youtu.be/YgXcTiHkwE4
https://youtu.be/8VvR8nbIjs8
Increased flooding, causing damage to waste water systems. Virus escaping into environment. Further spreading by human contact, in dense populated areas. The greatest advance in human health, was not modern medicine. But modern Engineering. The Sewage systems.
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Isos wrote:France ordered 600 million masks from China. They will be delivered by Antonov 124 (4 flights per week).
The weired thing is that they stop in Moscow before going in Paris. Media say technical stop but there is no need for that. I suspect Moscow will take some masks for the use of the antonovs.
Most likely technical checkup for the plane. Russia is responsible for the load - if anything will go missing - they will need to pay for it.
nomadski wrote:@ Vann7
One way an investigative journalist could find out the truth, about actual numbers, is to study open source material on recently deceased individuals, in local papers or public records, of register of Birth, marriages and death. And to validate by talking to relatives or colleagues.
I think that, whatever the initial source of Virus. That it propagates very fast. Using different avenues. For example by infected waste water, mixing with flood water or ground water, used for drinking water. Or by vapouraization. Since water vapour carries algae and bacteria, much heavier particles. There was a case of red rain in India. Algae picked up from the sea, that rained down, on land !
Here you can see connection to water. Coastal communities suffering more. Since possible waste water discharged at sea. Evaporates and blows back inland to condense on surfaces. On cool nights. Same with areas around the great lakes. But areas inland seem better.
https://youtu.be/YgXcTiHkwE4
https://youtu.be/8VvR8nbIjs8
Increased flooding, causing damage to waste water systems. Virus escaping into environment. Further spreading bu human contact, in dense populated areas. The greatest advance in human health, was not modern medicine. But modern Engineering. The Sewage systems.
This virus is known to spread through sewage system in apartment buildings and through ventilation systems in cruise ships.
India and African countries have terrible sewage and plenty of possible reservoir animals this virus can hop on. I can actually see flies carrying it on their bodies.
Hmm now looking at Germans I've realised something. Technically, if someone infected rips a fart it will aerosolise the virus. Are Germans doomed?
Some people have reached a new low. If Russia is in lack of medical masks, they will simply buy them from China or make them in Russia. They have easy access to ship the items from China (which is why they are in charge of this delivery), billions in foreign reserves, a ministry meant to deal with such situations...
It is hilarious to read the cognitive dissonance that people in the West are going through. Obviously, the only explanation why the Chinese and the Russians are doing better is: "They are lying! There is 21 million dead in China! Russia is hiding the real infected count!"
It can't have anything to do with the fact that the Chinese closed their entire economy down for over a month... or that Russia was one of the first countries to close the borders with China and put nationals coming in from China on quarantine and testing (This is how the first two cases in Russia were found out)...
The reality is that Western governments are completely inept. The only thing they have going for them are economies built by previous generations that have seen very little strife over the past 50 years... The advantages are slowly running out and we will start seeing the effects of wasteful spending and idiotic foreign policies coming home to roost.
Edit: For example, DOW Jones Industrial Average has crashed 26% since Feb 20th. Other indexes aren't doing much better than that. We are already past the 2008 economic crisis. If you live in a country with a large amount of debt and virtually no foreign reserves - good luck.
The quarantine has to end within a month for Western economies to survive. For such a thing to happen, we would need to see decreasing numbers of infected all across the board. Instead the rise is increasing exponentially. Russians should start a new church for Putin and his conservative fiscal policy...
nero wrote:Some people have reached a new low. If Russia is in lack of medical masks, they will simply buy them from China or make them in Russia. They have easy access to ship the items from China (which is why they are in charge of this delivery), billions in foreign reserves, a ministry meant to deal with such situations...
It is hilarious to read the cognitive dissonance that people in the West are going through. Obviously, the only explanation why the Chinese and the Russians are doing better is: "They are lying! There is 21 million dead in China! Russia is hiding the real infected count!"
It can't have anything to do with the fact that the Chinese closed their entire economy down for over a month... or that Russia was one of the first countries to close the borders with China and put nationals coming in from China on quarantine and testing (This is how the first two cases in Russia were found out)...
there is no fucking evidence of those 21 millions people killed.. are you nuts??? you can't hide such a high number of people killed from satellites in space.. so stfu with that propaganda. what you should be upset.. if you ever look at clear evidence presented in the video above.. how US have been lying the world the entire time with a pandemic event.. they never have.. the so called epic center of the virus in new york..with more cases in the planet.. supposedly.. is operating normally like any other day.. and ambulances parked doing nothing , no one using gas mask.. most business open ,including electronics stores, so what kind of pandemic crisis is that? so if you want to talk about fraud ,then there is clear evidence in the above video.. it is US and not china the one caught lying. chinese media reported day by day ,what ws happening inside their covid19 hospitals. the only ones in secrecy are american hospitals. no cameras allowed there.. in communist america.. so why so much secrecy ? when even china and italy allowed cameras? perhaps they hiding something? just think again before saying something stupid.. 21 millions of people killed ,you can't hide a number than big ever.. this is as much russian died in world war 2.. can't believe people will fall from such cheap and stupid claims... to believe such a thing. don't think such thing is even possible , to hide it,, from space.. maybe it was 150 billion chinese who died ??
Some things can be hidden very well. But short term only. Some can be hidden well long term. It depends on actual events on the ground. How many people involved in cover up. Mass communications. Vann said things covered up in the western hospitals. Yes agree. Based on personal experience of British hospitals NHS. For example old people who live in nursing home and go into hospital, are neglected and die of thirst or pressure sores, because they are not moved frequently. They then get infection and die, from neglect. Infection from open wounds on their body. But the medical examiner or Coroner, always records as pneumonia, as cause of death. This is a lie. The cause was neglect. But they have to appease the public. They do not want to spend the money. Same with this Corona . They will soon be blaming the public for not washing hands for infection spread. Blame the victims. But problem is poor infrastructure and public sanitation and global warming, that apparently does not exist and does not cause flooding and damaging sewage system. It is all your fault. You did not wash hands. You got pneumonia.
Short sidenote: there are western "experts" that tell us time and time again that even New York got a larger GDP then Russia. Now everybody can see the truth. Clueless Cuomo is the head of a shitole, build on virtual numbers, nothing more.
It does have higher GDP. But whats the difference? US dollar will be toilet paper anyways and soon NYC will have very decent property prices as their residents start kicking the bucket.
Regular wrote:It does have higher GDP. But whats the difference? US dollar will be toilet paper anyways and soon NYC will have very decent property prices as their residents start kicking the bucket.
I believe we need a better metric to evaluate real GDP, without including in it social and medical expenses that in normal states are counted as state expenses, but that in the US with their private medical system are added positively to the GDP.
In addition, most of the GDP of new york is made by financial sorcery operations and has no connection with production of real goods or delivery of real services...
Regular wrote:It does have higher GDP. But whats the difference? US dollar will be toilet paper anyways and soon NYC will have very decent property prices as their residents start kicking the bucket.
I believe we need a better metric to evaluate real GDP, without including in it social and medical expenses that in normal states are counted as state expenses, but that in the US with their private medical system are added positively to the GDP.
In addition, most of the GDP of new york is made by financial sorcery operations and has no connection with production of real goods or delivery of real services...
Yes, everyone knows that. Financial operations aren't doing that well Mask has slipped
Short sighted idiots in Russia who don't look at this seriously use paid week as holiday and go to Sochi with kids and make shadhliks there ... Putin needs to be more harsh and limit domestic traveling.
Speaking with my family in Russia is shocking, they are so sure it won't come to their neck of woods.. atleast they are not traveling far and they have food for two years and very little population. Both all of them are in high risk groups...
Lithuania is no better. Even fines can't control repatriated idiots from Europe to drink, fight and spread the virus.. almost all 400 cases can be traced to gostarbeiters. Damn curse of fucking gopnik..
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people have been investigating hospitals.. and they don't see
can anyone imagine the disaster that will
because the entire story is fabricated.. and only asia and europe the ones attacked. 
Mask has slipped