Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

kvs wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Isos wrote:
Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

We don't know

There has been an article which questions the test kit manufactured by the state research centre of virology and biotechnology as to whether it's able to detect the coronavirus at low enough concentrations. This might explain the low amount of confirmed cases so far.

https://pcr.news/stati/test-na-koronavirus-dlya-rossii/

The usual amateur tin foil hat plausibility theorizing.  

So you actually claim that the test kits just measure random organic molecules, eh?  That they are nothing more than a scam.
The typical liberast smear based on nothing but hate pulled straight from the ass.

Testing for viral infections is usually based on tagging antibodies and PCR can extract viral DNA.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/advaite-produces-covid-19-rapid-response-diagnostic-testing-kits/
https://www.ncbiotech.org/news/biomedomics-seeks-fda-ok-covid-19-rapid-diagnostic

Test kits exist already.   Only blowhards of the 5th column type claim that Russia is incapable of such technology.

I think the problem is that this virus is helluva hard to detect. Small viral loads are hard to detect in HIV patients and we know that disease very well.

flamming_python wrote:Obviously the virus has to build up to a sufficient concentration in the blood stream before even the most sensitive tests can detect it. Short of sampling the blood and looking at it under a microscope for hours.

kvs is in his usual manor, simply being comically overly-defensive in regards to Russia even when it contradicts fair grounds for skepticism or common sense.
For his benefit - I didn't say that the Russian test system may be under-sensitive for sure. I said it might be, there's an article that throws some skepticism on it. Equally, the test may be just fine.
And it's not a damning of Russia even if it was. Everyone makes mistakes, including I'm sure the particular institution responsible for the test kit.

Russia recorded first cases less than a month after Italy

If Russian viral testing kits were lemons and infected were left to roam free you'd all be neck deep in corpses by now

kvs wrote:[a, then wait another 12 and you will
have all of the concentrations of viri and their DNA that you can desire.

This thread is full of people making vapid plausibility statements.  

I'm not an expert and this might be closer to your field, but SARS-CoV is RNA, not DNA virus. How does amplification work with RNA molecules?

There was a paper which I will try to find that covered deficiencies of testing we have. No matter what country.. Testing done by nasal and oral being very dependant on symptomatic carriers. There are very little time to properly test suspects to rule out false negatives. Anal swabs are getting popular in South Korea as probably there's more chance to detect it in feces as this virus lingers in the gut (hijacks gut bacteria as per medv???) and even after people got rid of the disease. There now are serological tests done as well, but they are probably used for aggressive contact tracing.

Reality is Sevastopol and Krimu have no confirmed cases of the virus. Russia seems to have well under 100 nationwide.

We have shopped as usual, getting the usual amounts of goods etc. Not a mask to be seen anywhere, all shops and magazines have normal amounts of product. Fresh veggies are coming several times a day from the Tatari hot houses around Bahxchisarai. Bread Store #1 is stocked several times a day with fresh bread and pastries.

That being said, this afternoon it was announced that all schools and universities in this berg and Krimu will close early for spring break, as in tomorrow. Tourists have been invited to leave. Unregistered 'guests' have been invited to leave. Krim has petitioned Moskau for permission to close the borders with orcland. We'll see what tomorrow brings, but so far zero 'panic' buying in stores.

22:00. Russia is closed until 01 May.

auslander wrote:22:00. Russia is closed until 01 May.

Nice.. i will be waiting for my purchase until then

Better safe than sorry.

Prevention is always better than cure.

Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.

George1 wrote:
How a virus can be "guided" from humans to attack selectively?

by having moving into a country with the virus in liquid form in a bottle of water ,or it could be
inside a pen case.. and then spread the virus with the help of drones and spray it on markets .
also you can selectively attack people with the virus using a dart... have you seen the youtube
video.. the heart attack gun ?? like taken from  science fiction movie.. is not conspiracy ,but a real
thing .. go to youtube and you will see the cia  explaining in congress how their heart attack gun works..
throws a microscopic dart.. that inject a poison in the person ,inducing a heart attack.. such weapon could be
modified to inject anyone with corona virus..  they will feel like a mosquito byte.

so the corona virus ,could also be spread selectively ,by going to airport where iranians are waiting to take
a plane to their country and spray it their area.. so the same iranians become the ones that will infect their nation.
and a toy drones could be  modified to spray corona virus agaisnt any fish market or any city.


and most bullet proof way to detect the virus.. if all else fails.. is to quarantine the population..
if they get sick in 15 days with similar respiratory issues they have it..

just saw a report on RT , where a popular doctor in Russia was interview ,forgot his title..
but he an expert specialist in pulomonology.. i think what the corona virus seeks to attack..

he basically did not painted a good picture ,sounded very negative of the virus , almost as if nothing can be
done..  he complained questioned that those people that "Gets cured" in reality they aren't.. because
even if the virus leave somehow the body ,with a miracle medicine or vaccine. his internal body organs..
his lungs will be damages for life.. and so he will die sooner or later from Pneumonia , and he told that
a vaccine for people infestect is not enough ,that a major therapy /medicines needs to be created to encourage the lungs to heal themselves ,of the damages.. but even if someone a therapy exist to repair lungs this will not solve the problem of how incredibly expensive such a thing could be.. someone lungs could be.

the corona virus forms like a sticky glue on the lungs not only in the outside ,but also deep inside too in the internal parts. and when the lungs stop working because of this fungus attack , people stop breathing.
nasty virus.. is  truly lethal. and dangerous. and chinese government foreign ministry is throwing big hints that  US is being the corona virus. ie.. a biological weapon.. just like the video i posted. that warned 10 years ago about such plans of a biological attack by the west on china.

auslander wrote:

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.

Thank you Auslander! Hope your fortress will be untouched!

Company I was using said there are no problems using DHL.
I am buying commercial and military uniforms/rucksacks and etc. from Russian shops directly with no 3rd party suppliers like in a past. Russian companies are now going through golden age and they are crazy popular in US and EU. Airsoft crowd and preppers love Gorka 5 and Alfa/Ratnik gear.

Good ! They spent all their time quoting US officials saying "chinese virus" instead of "coronavirus". Those are piece of shit that use death of civilians and the fear of the remaining as a political tool. They have no soul those piece of shit.


Emma Graham-Harrison
@_EmmaGH
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China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

Isos wrote:
China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

Nothing makes Trump happier than that. To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:
China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

Nothing makes Trump happier than that. To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.

Good, those parasites need to be torched

Vladimir79 wrote:

Isos wrote:
China is expelling all US citizens working for NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, Time and Voice of America.

Unprecedented attack on foreign coverage of the country, just when the rest of the world is entirely preoccupied with coronavirus

Nothing makes Trump happier than that.  To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.  

It helped when he was competing against Hillary Clinton. Now people saw that as a president he is just the puppet of Clinton' deep state and just continue Obama's politic.

A bunch of parasites. Better not have them in your country.

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:

Regular wrote:

auslander wrote:Borders with the orcs are closed from Krim, although 'official' permission from Moskau has supposedly not arrived yet. Verbal permission apparently has arrived.

Novorossiya/Russia are apparently not closed, but orc borders with Russia are. Vehicles with DPR and LPR tags are allowed in to Krim and this berg.

Do you know how are the export goods are going out of Russia? Any disruption?

None that I know of. Goods from China are beginning to arrive again, a lot of them shut down during their crisis. Post might be slow, though, because of the seriousness of the crisis, and everything exported goes through Moskau as far as I know.

Thank you Auslander! Hope your fortress will be untouched!

Company I was using said there are no problems using DHL.
I am buying commercial and military uniforms/rucksacks and etc. from Russian shops directly with no 3rd party suppliers like in a past. Russian companies are now going through golden age and they are crazy popular in US and EU. Airsoft crowd and preppers love Gorka 5 and Alfa/Ratnik gear.

So far, so good, no virus in this berg or this island.

VCO and I are Red Army, dragooned in to same back in '14. Just about all the adult sized uniforms you see in the parades and events here are new old stock, of which there are vast amounts floating around. Images are Victory Day last year. At this time, the parade is on for this year and today the Czar is in town.

Vladimir79 wrote:Nothing makes Trump happier than that.  To delegitimise the MSM is his primary tactic and China is helping him do that.  

Coronavirus is being spread across the world by China and the Democrat party to scuttle Trump's chances of becoming President again

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackjones/2020/03/16/odds-favor-biden-over-trump-in-2020-presidential-election-as-coronavirus-pandemic-continues/#42d83f827f63

I heard on the radio, that the British are complaining to Russia, over stories about source of corona, possibly being man made in Lab in West. But terrorism  can use any tool. An explosive belt or Novichok or Corona. Just because the means are somehow scientific or technical. Does not mean that motivations are rational. After reading a bit on the Internet and here, no doubt bio - weapons are very possible. Motive could be simply hatred or money. What I think we need to know, is that, will corona evolve naturally, by somebody eating a Bat and having a snake for dessert and also suffering from HIV?  The corona should form easily, if this is naturally possible. If not, then must find source of release of bio weapon.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/science/biohackers-gene-editing-virus.amp.html

So the army of US retards are using this video to troll China on twitter. That's a good way to judge their IQ.