2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1

slasher wrote:

Armenian wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.

It's not at all propaganda. That's a cop out. There is an undeniable pro-western leaning among a sizeable proportion of the Armenian population. The 2018 protests had an outright "get out Russia" element. The country, like all others once part of the Soviet sphere, is divided along which path to take for the future. But one cannot serve to masters as the saying goes. In Armenia's case, they are literally caught between a rock and a hard place, with Turkey to the west and Azerbaijan to the east. Only Russia can guarantee their security.

Unfortunately, many there don't see it that way. It is incumbent on Armenia to prove it is an ally of Russia, not the other way around. You quite correctly pointed out some examples (re: Ukraine, Syria) where Armenia showed its friendship. But, as @kvs keeps saying, you cannot sit on two chairs. Playing the balancing game will go both ways. If it's to be a commercial or transactional type relationship like what Russia has with Germany or even Turkey, no problem. An alliance is much deeper than merely relying on superficial or past commonalities or shared histories.

That said, I do sympathize with that proportion of the country that do consider Russia an ally and share close ties. Unfortunately, I can't see Russia investing geo-politically too heavily anywhere right now, including Armenia, only to have some itself be made a mockery of in some domestic colour revolution that sells itself out to the West. Russia has to adapt it's geo-political outlook and posture to these new realities. Alliances can no longer be assumed or taken for granted as long term, and Russia should only give as much as it gets. This is becoming quite evident in observing Russia's approach to what is happening here in the Caucasus.
Russia shouldn't be like the US and impose itself on others, there's no need to. Let the US overextend and overspend itself into oblivion. Who wants to join Nato or whatever can go. In Armenia's case, good luck with that, because even if that were to happen, there is no way the West can guarantee any sort of security in that neighbourhood. Russia already has an aspiring member right on its southern border and is managing that quite skilfully. I don't see the big fuss over Armenia's possible shift, apart from the fact that it's virtually dead on arrival. If that what the country decides, fine by me. But if the distinct majority and the government in any country is united in a commitment to an alliance with Russia, then i highly doubt Russia would be so deliberative in its reactions, as it with Belarus for example as well.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

slasher wrote:

Armenian wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.

It's not at all propaganda. That's a cop out. There is an undeniable pro-western leaning among a sizeable proportion of the Armenian population. The 2018 protests had an outright "get out Russia" element. The country, like all others once part of the Soviet sphere, is divided along which path to take for the future. But one cannot serve to masters as the saying goes. In Armenia's case, they are literally caught between a rock and a hard place, with Turkey to the west and Azerbaijan to the east. Only Russia can guarantee their security.

Unfortunately, many there don't see it that way. It is incumbent on Armenia to prove it is an ally of Russia, not the other way around. You quite correctly pointed out some examples (re: Ukraine, Syria) where Armenia showed its friendship. But, as @kvs keeps saying, you cannot sit on two chairs. Playing the balancing game will go both ways. If it's to be a commercial or transactional type relationship like what Russia has with Germany or even Turkey, no problem. An alliance is much deeper than merely relying on superficial or past commonalities or shared histories.

That said, I do sympathize with that proportion of the country that do consider Russia an ally and share close ties. Unfortunately, I can't see Russia investing geo-politically too heavily anywhere right now, including Armenia, only to have some itself be made a mockery of in some domestic colour revolution that sells itself out to the West. Russia has to adapt it's geo-political outlook and posture to these new realities. Alliances can no longer be assumed or taken for granted as long term, and Russia should only give as much as it gets. This is becoming quite evident in observing Russia's approach to what is happening here in the Caucasus.
Russia shouldn't be like the US and impose itself on others, there's no need to. Let the US overextend and overspend itself into oblivion. Who wants to join Nato or whatever can go. In Armenia's case, good luck with that, because even if that were to happen, there is no way the West can guarantee any sort of security in that neighbourhood. Russia already has an aspiring member right on its southern border and is managing that quite skilfully. I don't see the big fuss over Armenia's possible shift, apart from the fact that it's virtually dead on arrival. If that what the country decides, fine by me. But if the distinct majority and the government in any country is united in a commitment to an alliance with Russia, then i highly doubt Russia would be so deliberative in its reactions, as it with Belarus for example as well.

Putin is too buddy buddy with Erdogan for Armenia's liking. Putin betrayed Assad and sold northern Syria to Erdogan for S-400 deal. This is why Armenia will join NATO for protection from Turkey / Azerbaijan.

medo wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1312827153285820416

Artzakh army capture Azerbaijani positions.

Mindstorm wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

medo wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1312827153285820416

Artzakh army capture Azerbaijani positions.

The Azeri-Turk army seems to be nothing without its flying killer robots and pro-Turkish Syrian terrorists; the later of which just seem to be serving as cannon fodder here literally just to reveal Armenian ground and artillery positions, in the same manner that Azerbaijan has employed converted unmanned An-2s to reveal Armenian air defense positions

The situation is even more simple : for each battlefield calsh that is recorded in video there is 30-40, very often of much greater scale and with way more material and human losses involved, that happen without any video recording of the action

90% of the losses in this conflict, like in almost any conflict between comparable opponents, happen at short to short-medium range, very often well within LOS, and obviously without any video involved ; therefore fatally the role and impact of some systems (above all UAV and UCAV with theirs by-default video equipment) in the PR campaign of each side and unfortunately also some scarcely proficient military analyst more interested in propose a "trendy" subject that in providing a serious representation of the situation, become largely over-represented.


Knowing how much losses on the total really produce all the UAV UCAV attacks (all having theirs video) and their own losses ,even in an area with very scarce and outdated AD systems, would truly disappoint several enthusiasts: several of the attacks by part of suicide drones or the lightweight missiles that the bigger drones can carry, in particular against more heavily armoured units often produce only minor damages not even interfering with the continuation of the vehicle mission or damages repaireable within few hours (repalcement of engine/track hit or some external vectronic element ) and this is exactly the reason for which almost always those videos of UAV attacks stop just after the hit