2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1

Stealthflanker wrote:

Isos wrote:

Wiki says 1000km for IAI Harop loitoring munition used by Azerbaijan. I wonder its true range. Generally if you want more than 200km range you need satellite datalink because ground based stations loose signal after 200km. Maybe it's truely 1000km but not if stays within a certain radius. Harop is more than 2m long so quite possible.

Or being autonumous.  Which Harop does. It has its own program, if it detects radar emission. it will home in. Otherwise it may continue loiter or return to base.

The 1000 km range is perhaps the range without the loitering.  If it loiters then the range is shorter as the fuel would be conserved for hours loitering in the sky "waiting" for target.

GarryB wrote:

UCAV has radio link between operator and aircraft. Jam the radio, the aircraft crashes.

Not how most drones work.

The radio link is generally a datalink that sends information from the drone to the operator so they can see the video footage the drone is collecting, and allowing the drone operator to change flight waypoints or turn the camera to select targets etc, but most of the time the drones fly by themselves on preprogrammed flight paths.

Most drones will return to base if their datalink is jammed or lost... and if you could track them would be a good way to find where they were being launched from.

Few proper sophisticated drones are manually flown by the operator.

Yes good idea about jamming. A detector needed to record frequency?  To set jamming frequency?  But someone said  AAA , not used effectively now. Can help them with targeting practice. Optics and range finders. Have the Armenians any light prop driven planes? Simply arm with machine gun, and send to Hunt UCAV, mix with them, over operational area. Their SAM, useless, or shoot down own UCAV. My guess is that, the Azeri drone, operated by no more than a dozen controllers at a time. Meaning, on any attack, no more than a dozen  flying together. Hardly a swarm. Save BM for now. A bit of overkill. Use only if Azer attack vital economic target, in retaliation. The simple way to neutralise advancing armour, just use good anti - Tank, plenty of it. Use from hidden fox hole. Prepared earlier, but may be vacant, until they advance by armour. Their UCAV, can not identify . Their camera sees in IR. keep yourself cool. Give them something hot to look at.......by

If you are going to use EW then use it to locate the signals from the operators and strike those positions with artillery.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I would provide a timestamp if you want to point to a specific moment in a video that is minutes long.

RTN wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I would provide a timestamp if you want to point to a specific moment in a video that is minutes long.

Third video from top in Rob Lee's post. Anyway here are those videos

https://t.me/milinfolive/63592

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvvT9GQFB5U

They clearly show that Armenian S-300 units were destroyed by Azerbaijani loitering munitions, drones.

Isos wrote:

Well they use GPS most of the time for that so jamming GPS will make them go in random directions.

Most of the hand jammer that looks like a rifle have a range of 1-2km which isn't enough.

nomadski wrote:https://youtu.be/9V9mbC-Esmg

They can be easily seen. And shot down. Providing the shooter has optics and training.  For the version that homes in on Radar signal, as ISOS said, a decoy signal. But one emitting from drone at low altitude. Upwards signal. Moving about. The drone homing in, on signal, dive in and miss decoy. You only need one decoy Radar drone.

RTN wrote:
In those mountainous areas of NK GPS signal will be weak. Radar signals will be weak too.

Not always possible for drones, loitering munitions to home in on the target. Look at the Chinese and Indians fighting at very high altitudes. Both sides have loitering munitions and drones. Yet given the geography they are unable to use it effectively against easch other.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Nagorno-Karabakh Ceasefire in Tatters
https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=38675

https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3086873.html

'We Will Never Leave': Armenia and Azerbaijan Have Fought Over Disputed Region for Decades
	Azerbaijan Says France Is Not Neutral in Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict
	Turkey Tells Russia to Press Armenia to Abide by Nagorno-Karabakh Truce

Maximmmm wrote:Epic footage of the last seconds of an AN-2 drone:
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/12/an2/

Maximmmm wrote:

Yeah, it seems clear by now that Turkey isn't going to let this conflict die down. They're supposed to be sending more syrian terrorists to the region soon.

mnztr wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:Epic footage of the last seconds of an AN-2 drone:
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/12/an2/

Apparently these are being used as bait to reveal locations when they shoot them down.

mnztr wrote:The Chinese and Indians are trying to avoid a direct shooting conflict.

mnztr wrote:Both are nuclear powers and realize the danger. They are fighting with sticks for now.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:Epic footage of the last seconds of an AN-2 drone:
https://lenta.ru/news/2020/10/12/an2/

Apparently these are being used as bait to reveal locations when they shoot them down.

Downed by Igla MANPADS. You can't locate MANPADS. Too mobile.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315654950752530432

RTN wrote:
Unlike U.S and Russia there is no parity between China and India. China has 10X more nuclear warheads than India, plus they have a triad. If a nuclear war starts India will be destroyed within a few days.

So with India destroyed, China can have a big victory parade after being hit by 150 nuclear warheads?

Strip mine the Syrian rebels of its best fighters so that the next time the SAA come knocking, they lose even harder. Never thought Erdogan was actually an Assad supporter.. 

Tsavo Lion wrote:
I doubt India will have a chance/be allowed to use all her warheads on China. Her current/future SSBNs will be shadowed & sunk by Chinese who also have BMD means. Besides, having nukes isn't a guarantee against implosion.

Tsavo Lion wrote:I doubt India will have a chance/be allowed to use all her warheads on China. Her current/future SSBNs will be shadowed & sunk by Chinese who also have BMD means. Besides, having nukes isn't a guarantee against implosion.

Isos wrote:So even soviet EW with trained crew can jam those israeli drones. It will be important to have such system on the front libe to protect against drones. Armenia should buy some of them.


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#BREAKING: #Azerbaijan again violated #Iran's airspace using its drones. This #Israeli made Harop loitering drone of #Azerbaijan Army was brought down by use of Kvant 1L222 Avtobaza ELINT & jamming system of #IRGC Aerospace Force in Ozoun-Tappeh Ouliya village, NW of #Iran.