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JohninMK wrote:Dependence on Russian gas, date unknown and comment re passing thro' Ukraine obviously wrong.
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WTF are biofuels? Seriously, is Finland burning wood alcohol? It does not have palm oil plantations for biodiesel or
any sugar cane or corn plantations for ethanol. No freaking biogas from landfills can power a country. This
chart is dubious.
Oh, I see now, they use firewood to heat their homes. Wow. That is definitely not properly categorized.
any sugar cane or corn plantations for ethanol. No freaking biogas from landfills can power a country. This
chart is dubious.
Oh, I see now, they use firewood to heat their homes. Wow. That is definitely not properly categorized.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:JohninMK wrote:Dependence on Russian gas, date unknown and comment re passing thro' Ukraine obviously wrong.
Why Romania has only 21 %.? In conteast with other central-european countries
Also about 2nd map, in Greece we take energy for heat from oil
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kvs wrote:WTF are biofuels? Seriously, is Finland burning wood alcohol? It does not have palm oil plantations for biodiesel or
any sugar cane or corn plantations for ethanol. No freaking biogas from landfills can power a country. This
chart is dubious.
Oh, I see now, they use firewood to heat their homes. Wow. That is definitely not properly categorized.
Well, biofuels are everything that is bio.
In the case of Finland, it will start with nuclear. 1/3 of the whole production.
They use hell of hydro energy, close to 20% if I remember.
Gas is considered as a bio, 10% or so.
And biomass is the bio
They produce more than 1/10 of the whole energy burning biomass, different types&ways. kvs likes this post
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Biomass is typically wood chips or other wood waste left after the logging process.
But home heating is probably wood burning yes.
But home heating is probably wood burning yes.
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lancelot wrote:Biomass is typically wood chips or other wood waste left after the logging process.
But home heating is probably wood burning yes.
Believe me it is not
Out of two of us, one lives here
A pure wood burning in Europe for purposes other than entertainment is a margin.
Sure, we do burn it.
In our fireplaces.
For fun. A lodge of about 0.01 cube is $2.
How far you can go with that, if not considered as entertainment?
Wood chips yes, but we have it condensed.
As a pellets, or bricquets.
These are about 3-4x more condensed and filled with other ingredients to make burning more effective.
Still, expensive, time consuming, and ineffective if you have other options.
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I suppose for a country the size of Finland wood pellets are sustainable. But Finland still needs hydro and nuclear to make those pellets
so the categories are not really independent.
so the categories are not really independent.
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But they do bro.
No idea why you consider them as some bloody monkeys
They are making 30+% energy out of nuke, 20% of hydro, 10% of gas, 10% of coal.
Quite reasonably diversified, I would say.
No idea why you consider them as some bloody monkeys
They are making 30+% energy out of nuke, 20% of hydro, 10% of gas, 10% of coal.
Quite reasonably diversified, I would say.
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Finland should be close to operation start of a French designed EPR nuclear reactor at Olkiluoto in addition to the ones they already had. They also have plans to build another nuclear power plant of Russian VVER design.
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kvs wrote:
Gazprom is taking Poland (PGNiG) to the Stockholm arbitration court to get a retroactive increase in gas prices.
It is using exactly the same argument used by Poland which this kangaroo court agreed with and forced
Gazprom to "pay back" 1.5 billion US dollars.
Even if the kangaroo court contradicts itself it will be a win for Gazprom since it will have a clear pretext for
severing any links to this clown outfit. That means force maejure changes in all of Gazprom's contracts to
designate another arbitration venue.
Karma strikes lmao!
Gazprom masterfully beat the Polish PGNiG: Warsaw lost $4 billion
Ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland Radoslaw Sikorski today, January 24, in an interview with the Biznes Alert portal, said that the heads of Polish state-owned enterprises lost in the fight against Gazprom.
Sikorsky called Nord Stream 2 an energy noose around the necks of Ukraine and Germany and accused Russia of neglecting the interests of Eastern European countries in order to benefit from its enterprises.
According to the notorious Russophobe, in Poland, under the previous government, an LNG terminal was built to diversify gas supplies. It was assumed that the strategic facility would make it possible to exclude "blackmail" when signing agreements with Russia for the purchase of gas.
But today's party in power, Law and Justice, instead of using the LNG terminal, decided to play on gas quotes.
As a result, due to the rise in spot gas prices, the country has lost $ 4 billion over the past year and a half.
Sikorsky believes that the responsibility for the crisis lies entirely with the Polish oil and gas concern PGNiG:
“When people in state-owned companies are selected not for professionalism, but for party affiliation, then the result is what we see. Gazprom masterfully beat PGNiG, and Polish businesses and consumers are paying for the consequences.”
Here it is appropriate to recall that at the end of the summer in Europe prices for natural gas began to rise. In December, the maximum was recorded - almost $ 2,200 per thousand cubic meters. The European Union blamed Russia for the current energy crisis.
But Russian President Vladimir Putin called such accusations nonsense. The Russian leader noted that Moscow has repeatedly offered Brussels gas supplies on the basis of long-term contracts, but the European Commission itself insisted on market pricing, which caused the crisis.
http://k-politika.ru/gazprom-masterski-obygral-polskij-pgnig-varshava-poteryala-4-mlrd/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
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This is not a ruling from the Stockholm Kangaroo Arbitration Tribunal but the loss from the spot market pricing formula that
Poland got the Kangaroo Tribunal to foist on Gazprom. It is epic self-snookering. I somehow doubt that the Kangaroo Tribunal
will rule in Gazprom's favour. NATzO "justice" is a tiny fig leaf over a massive load of hypocrisy.
We may even see the Kangaroo Tribunal "rule" (excrete) that Gazprom should pay Poland "back" $4 billion since it is a victim of
Gazprom's market manipulation. If anyone thinks this is ridiculous, take a look around and smell the coffee.
Poland got the Kangaroo Tribunal to foist on Gazprom. It is epic self-snookering. I somehow doubt that the Kangaroo Tribunal
will rule in Gazprom's favour. NATzO "justice" is a tiny fig leaf over a massive load of hypocrisy.
We may even see the Kangaroo Tribunal "rule" (excrete) that Gazprom should pay Poland "back" $4 billion since it is a victim of
Gazprom's market manipulation. If anyone thinks this is ridiculous, take a look around and smell the coffee.
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ALAMO wrote:lancelot wrote:Biomass is typically wood chips or other wood waste left after the logging process.
But home heating is probably wood burning yes.
Believe me it is not
Out of two of us, one lives here
A pure wood burning in Europe for purposes other than entertainment is a margin.
Sure, we do burn it.
In our fireplaces.
For fun. A lodge of about 0.01 cube is $2.
How far you can go with that, if not considered as entertainment?
Wood chips yes, but we have it condensed.
As a pellets, or bricquets.
These are about 3-4x more condensed and filled with other ingredients to make burning more effective.
Still, expensive, time consuming, and ineffective if you have other options.
Excuse me sir as an American I know more about your country than you do. We Americans have been nebulously given free license to make asinine posts online about matters of which we have little notion of. Your country is powered by the mountain furnaces of gnomes. Magic, essentially. There, answered everyone's question on the matter.
Edit: I cannot spell worth crap. But on every other subject I am highly esteemed as a wellspring of knowledge. Had to edit because I cant into spelling words.
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TMA1 wrote:
Excuse me sir as an American I know more about your country than you do. We Americans have been nebulously given free license to make asinine posts online about matters of which we have little notion of. Your country is powered by the mountain furnaces of gnomes. Magic, essentially. There, answered everyone's question on the matter.
Edit: I cannot spell worth crap. But on every other subject I am highly esteemed as a wellspring of knowledge. Had to edit because I cant into spelling words.
How it goes ...?
As I have not read the book, nor seen the movie, here is my opinion on the matter: ...
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The current insane prices for natural gas in Europe are 100% the fault of US sanctions against Nord Stream 2. The idiots sanctioned NS2. depriving Europe of about 75BCM of gas. Now thanks to high prices Russia will make FAR MORE then the loss of that 75 BCM in gas prices over the next 2 years. The US idiots have also cause natural gas prices to double in North America as US LNG companies (Freedom Gasholes) are maxing their exports to Europe and Asia raising prices back home!!! Man talk about shooting your nose off to spite your face.
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https://www.reed.senate.gov/news/releases/us-senators-to-doe-dont-let-domestic-natural-gas-producers-chasing-higher-prices-overseas-leave-us-consumers-with-bigger-energy-bills-this-winter
A group of Democratic Senators is urging the U.S. Energy Department to take steps to limit U.S. natural gas exports, the record volume of which leave Americans with higher energy bills this winter.
The call from the ten Senators led by Jack Reed (D-RI) and including Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Ed Markey (D-MA), comes just as the Biden Administration is scrambling to find non-Russian gas supplies to ship to Europe in case the Russia-Ukraine crisis escalates into military action.
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The current insane prices for natural gas in Europe are 100% the fault of US sanctions against Nord Stream 2.
The high gas prices are spot market prices... the long term contracts offer low prices and existing infrastructure has the capacity to meet all of Europes needs without NS2 operating.
It was the shift to spot prices and away from long term contracts is the problem currently and even Hungary has shown you can dodge the high spot price by negotiating a long term contract which creates stability for both sides.
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The yapping about Gazprom supplying less gas to the EU in 2021 compared to 2020 is so much BS. It actually supplied
more and the 10 bcm drop is driven by the reduction in purchases of "reverse flow" gas by Ukraine. Ukraine reduced
its purchases by 13 bcm because of high prices.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/07/politics/biden-scholz-meeting-ukraine/index.html
But Scholz himself refused to even name the project during the news conference, and declined to commit to ending the pipeline if an invasion moves ahead -- a stance causing problems for his foreign minister during a visit to Ukraine. In the interview with CNN, Scholz repeated his vow to remain aligned with the US, though again wouldn't clarify his intentions for the Nord Stream project.
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If the were real journalists they would ask their own president if he will stop the flow of russian oil into his country instead of concentrating on foreign business projects.
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Europe will not abandon Russian gas — experts
Europeans are not disposed to really consider the US alternative to Russian gas
MOSCOW, February 8. /TASS/. The United States attempts to use aggravation of the situation around Ukraine to promote its liquefied natural gas (LNG) in Europe but Europeans will give up Russian pipeline gas in the extreme case only, experts questions by TASS said.
"Indeed, new developments around Ukraine give the upper hand to the US administration and US gas suppliers in their attempts to steal back the European market from Russia," Program Director of the Valdai Discussion Club Ivan Timofeev said. "The US now attempts to overtake the initiative on this occasion but they did not receive any clear answer in this regard after the meeting between US President Joe Biden with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Yes, certainly, the Germans and the Europeans say in general that they will approach the US in a certain case but they will continue thinking while "the certain case" does not occur," he noted.
Europeans are not disposed to really consider the US alternative to Russian gas, Deputy Head of the National Energy Security Fund Alexey Grivach said. "The potential of the US LNG and LNG at large is close to being exhausted in the short term. This is because sources of supplies are not enough and capacity utilization of the intake infrastructure is close to maximal. As far as European market problems are concerned, prices are the main one among them, making their industry absolutely uncompetitive and the social situation - troubled. If Europeans want to overcome this crisis, this can only be done by relying on Russian gas and development of energy ties with Russia. Other options are lengthy, costly and dangerous," the expert said.
https://tass.com/economy/1399953
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owais.usmani wrote:
A group of Democratic Senators is urging the U.S. Energy Department to take steps to limit U.S. natural gas exports, the record volume of which leave Americans with higher energy bills this winter.
The call from the ten Senators led by Jack Reed (D-RI) and including Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Ed Markey (D-MA), comes just as the Biden Administration is scrambling to find non-Russian gas supplies to ship to Europe in case the Russia-Ukraine crisis escalates into military action.
The underlying problem is that Senators refused to authorise nat gas pipelines that would allow US NG to be piped to the places its needed. This means it is either flared off, used locally or sent to the coast.
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