Mir wrote:Some interesting figures regarding pandemics:
The Black Death (1346-1353) was the most devastating pandemic in human history (that we know of). An estimated 75 million - 200 million people died.
The well known Spanish Flu (1918-1820) was another cruel pandemic. An estimated 17-100 million people died.
As of today Covid-19 claimed nearly 4 million lives SINCE the start of the pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
According to https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-rankings-total-deaths
In the year 2018 I would like to highlight the following: (rounded down)
9.4 million people died of Coronary Heart Disease 3 million from Lung Disease (excl 1.6 from lung cancer) 2.9 million from Influenza and Pneumonia 1.5 million from Diabetes 1.2 million from Tuberculosis 1 million from HIV/AIDS 800 thousand from Hypertension
indeed , i don't think covid19 is the most dangerous thing the world have , cancer and heart attacks diabetes are worse , in terms of deaths . but what is worrying is that Russia government , official numbers of covid19 deaths , is surpassing the entire Europe + UK combined in death rates. And the EU have 4-5 times the population of russia .So because i have no reason to think Russian doctors are lying , with their numbers , neither putin , or its entire government about something so serious like the pandemic ... (Russia is not the west) , so is kind of eye opening that they are reporting so much more deaths , that the vast majority of the planet , and only india and brazil surpass russia numbers.
Russia covid19 numbers are so high , because putin have allowed those international tourist to freely enter in russia and freely move everywhere . they don't even enforce face mask in russia or distancing. so who is to blame for this ? aliens from space? or the russian government? and who controls the russian governments? all major problems of russia , all the roads of disaster ,always leads to the incompetent president of Russia. That he knows his nation is facing war , and that the NATO west will be capable of sending thousands of infected covid19 tourist to Russia , still he don't give a shit , and keep borders open for sports tourism . Just last week thousands of polish tourist were attending football games in russia. And you cannot properly verify if someone have covid19 or not , or hiding any substance with viruses. Russia keep borders open for enemy nations ,including turkey and later the government is surprised ,they have so many covid19 numbers.
As I pointed out with the Portugal case, these figures are highly contentious. We will probably never know the real figures. However if we look at the official figures (because that is what we have) the fear factor is usually at play here. What they normally don't talk about is the deaths per one million of the total population. That really puts things into perspective.
India is a good example despite the hysteria around the "horrific" number of Covid infections and deaths in India. 288 of every one million people died so far of Covid in India. Compare that to 1864 of the USA! Russia had 935 death per million. France has 1698, Italy 2114, Spain 1730 and the UK 1876. From that perspective Russia is doing pretty well - if I can call it "well".
The BIG problem is the media and the Governments spins this thing which ever which way they like. The fear that they helped to create, drives this thing. There is no other way to put this. It is the biggest crime against humanity EVER!
George Orwell quote from 1984: "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
Mir wrote: From that perspective Russia is doing pretty well - if I can call it "well".
The BIG problem is the media and the Governments spins this thing which ever which way they like. The fear that they helped to create, drives this thing. There is no other way to put this. It is the biggest crime against humanity EVER!
and i disagree..
based in the way you make conclusions , it will be like saying in 1943 , Nazis are doing "pretty well" with very low deaths numbers , just using the first year or 2 years of the war when started in 1942 with soviet union as "evidence" , This was the times that nazis were unstopable and soviets were running . but we know how they lost the war and their numbers of deaths were 5 millions , not very low.
so can't use the 2020 covid19 numbers of russia , if the situation in 2021 is dramatically different. More fair and accurate will be to say , that russia was doing pretty well in 2020 ,BUT NOW is totally a disaster in 2021 , like i said , look at the official numbers , from WHO , that use only the numbers that each government provides to them. according to russia official numbers, Russia in the past 2 weeks is the 3 country in the world with more deaths , this is not "pretty well". considering that europe combined,who have half a billion of citizens ,and that only 10% of population is vaccinated , that they have far less covid deaths , than Russia have.
So russian numbers are pretty disastrous , about half of the indians ones , which have the public health conditions of third world nations , and is super crowded their population centers and have close to 10xtimes more population than Russia.
and all this skyrocket of covid19 numbers began ,when the idiot in chief in Moscow , decided to open russian borders for tourism to all nato countries , including US , for the sport activities.
look at this .. russia is facing a crisis in covid19 numbers and the russian government absolutely no social distancing measures , no face mask , is just celebrations , as if there was no pandemic ,tourism wide open for very hostile nations to russia.
how easy it will be for poland or nato intel agencies , to spread more virus in Russia? using olympic events to cause damage there?
China is not doing this , they borders are closed , and those few that can enter need to wait 3 weeks on quarantine before they allowed inside their cities.
Russia is facing a crisis because the master idiot president , do not take seriously the dangers russia is facing , from the west , that will do anything to break russia in a million of parts ,including sending lots of people infestect with a virus. how did russia gained so many indian delta variants of the virus ?
there is a foul play going on here , this skyrocket numbers of virus infections and death rates ,does not reflect any month of russia in 2020.. in just 1-2 month Russia experienced more deaths ,that the entire 2020. and this is why you can't use past performance , to today ones.. russia was doing well last year ,but now is facing one of the worse health crisis in the planet , far worse than europe combined. based on their official numbers , russia in past 2 weeks alone surpassed most of europe combined infection and death rates.
when it comes to predict long term behaviors ,statistics only matters if the behavior of the curve is similar and not dramatically different . and if there is no external interference that affect the more recent numbers. If you compare western vaccines numbers of deaths , per million ,you will claim ,that is about 5 people in 1million the possibility of dying to a covid western shot.. but if you look individually at all data , and see what happened in norway ,that from 100 people vaccinated in a health care center of elder people with pfizer , 30 died in a week after the shot, that this proof , beyond doubt , that pfizer shot can be more letal than a bomb . a more accurate number will be saying you have the probability to die from a pfizer shot , from 30% probability, to 0.000001%. and that how good or bad it will be ,depends on things that nobody knows yet ,but some theories exist , like gamaleya chief told ,of potentially unstable shots ,when not properly refrigerated , but those west vaccines have proven that it have the capability ,to become very very lethal ,can become at times like a weapon of mass destruction and not only the old people got ill , but nurses too that vaccinated with pfizer.. so norway is the key ,to proof ,how incredibly dangerous those western vaccines can become . and that have the potential at times to be incredibly dangerous and unpredictable their behavior and so you can't use yearly data comparisons, because is totally misleading.
So russia is doing very bad since a couple of months , about the worse in the world ,with only india and brazil doing worser. This is not normal what is going on with russia covid19 numbers , this looks like a completely different pandemic now happening in russia with a more lethal virus , the indian one apparently is the one causing the problems, and the stupid president keep open borders and don't enforce any social distancing measure and encourage sports as business as usual. so who is to blame for this major spike in covid19? society is not to blame , is the government ,but being so incompetent and not enforcing any covid19 security measures.
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That's ok you don't have to agree with me but the figures I gave you on how many deaths per million for each country is as for today since the beginning of the pandemic. So the figures I'm playing with is since the pandemic started till today. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Mir wrote:That's ok you don't have to agree with me but the figures I gave you on how many deaths per million for each country is as for today since the beginning of the pandemic. So the figures I'm playing with is since the pandemic started till today. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
like i said , i don't doubt your numbers , i only disagree with your way of analizing the data.
if you have a country at peace , from 2010 to 2020.. with a mortality rate of 12% per thousand people ,but suddenly in 2021 that country mortality rate increase 10x fold , you can't say ,the country is doing "pretty well" using the previous years numbers. why not?
Because if a nation suddenly face a 10x or 20x fold or increase in their death rate , it means is facing something completely new , completely different ,to what they were facing in previous years. So there are new factors , something new happening , that radically change the health system of russia.
you cannot say that by the end of year russia will continue doing pretty well , if this new abysmally high rise in deaths remains sustainable for the rest of the year. to 10x fold or more of what used to be. if it is discovered russia is facing a biological war ,with a military virus , then you can't say is doing "pretty well" , a nation facing war will not do pretty well , specially if their enemies are very powerful and they have began to hit russia with a new virus.
FACT is right now , today jun 2 2021 ,russia is the nation with the worse death rates to covid19 after india, and there is no way you can change that fact. a nation with just 1/10 of population of india , having half of their deaths,, this is not something to feel proud about , from 200 countries in the world , russia is the worse one in death rates per week ,after brazil and india.. this is not "pretty well", and if this behavior is sustained for a month and more, it will just confirm ,how disastrous is now russia anti convid securities.
if you look at this charts..
Russia death rates since 1950.. to 2020. it will reveal something interesting.
The times where russia faced the biggest spikes death rates , was early 50's when russia was still suffering from war effect of second world war 2 in the reconstruction period. For obvious reasons Russia years earlier to 50s was far away worse , when nazis invaded from 1942 to 1945 that lost dozens of millions in just 3 years.. next major spike was in the early 90s , when soviet union and its economy collapsed ,and guess when the third major spike is happening? in 2020 , but this charts only shows last year , today the death rates ,past two months in 2021 ,have multiplied even more .
so russia is facing a crisis , and is not doing pretty well at all , what confirm this is ..
1)russia massive spike of death rates. 2) russia major exodus of millions in their population. 3)the all time low popularity of the government , losing not only in siberian elections ,but in some st petersburg too. 4)mandatory vaccinations on all population that wants to buy things in any outside business. this things don't happen in nation doing well. Europe was never doing well , but russia in past 2-3 months is doing much worse than europe and most of the world. I don't see how this can be seen as doing well when the nation took a deep dive into a real crisis ,in death rates , never seen since the end of world war 2 and early 90s with collapse of soviet union. something had to be going on ,that no one is telling ,you don't get so much high rise in death rates unless something really terrible happening ,they not telling
Looking at the chart you referenced above the highest post war death rate in Russia was recorded in 2013 at 16.4 deaths per thousand - no Covid back then?
Despite the spike in Covid the current death rate is 14.5 which is practically the same as in the years between 2005 and 2010. Only recently was there a drop to about 12.5.
So from your own data there is no crisis in Russia.
There is no nation on earth that experienced anything close to a 10 fold, let alone 20 fold death rate due to Covid!
You also claim Russia has the worst death rate after India - well Brazil leads the way by a huge margin atm.
I think you see things that are very far from reality.
Again you compare one year versus 2 months of russia death rate spikes, and previously you compare the entire 2020 , with the recent spikes in death rates. like i said before ,there is no way ,you can twist that russia is doing "pretty well today" when is the second nation in all asia ,with more covid death rates. only india surpass russia.
the charts i posted was only from 1950 to 2020 ,when russia was doing "pretty well " by your standards. when don't have yet the total death rate of russia in 2021 from covid19 and all other things that usually people die. i guarantee you , it will be very high and will surpass by far 2020 , and the 90s ,if the numbers continue the following months in the same way. i only disagree with your interpretation of statistics, you can't compare europe vs russia in covid19 handling ,using the average of the entire pandemic , because russia have a major totally different scenario now , in the past 2 months ,that surpass everything they faced in 2020. somewhere it was said russia faced more deaths of covid19 in few weeks ,that in the entire 2020 ? in the past 2 months russia surpass everything than the west was facing in death rates ,this is not "doing pretty well" you can't twist that in any way. look at WHO official death rates of covid,, russia is now surpassing all europe combined in death rates ,and europe have far more citizens , than russia and haven't vaccinated many . not pretty well.. at all , even the russian government call its crisis ---> a emergency crisis with hospitals at max capacity. so how you can you question their own claims? Far Worse covid death rates in the world after third world nations like brazil and india in the past 2 months ,is not a good thing. This is actually an embarrassing moment of russia , that could not contain the virus now ,when china could and most asian nations too.
in more news..
American popular youtuber living in china ,make fun of western covid19 narrative , using available information released by the west , facts that western media don't dare to do a deep investigation about them again .
wow , interesting , that a respiratory illness ,that was running wild in maryland , near fort detrick , causing troubles , killing people , happened in a community , with the name ..
GREEN SPRING community in maryland. that was next to a bioweapons labs of the US military.
This sound a lot like a deviation of the
ARAB SPRING = an Anglo NATO terrorist war.
which was NATO operation to remove all chinese and russian client states from africa and middle east. using islamic terrorist like muslimbrotherhood and later ISIS who came to reinforce them.
GREEN SPRING = an Anglo NATO biological war.
This have all the signatures of a anglojewish banking freemason operation. because rockefellers foundation was the first one that warned about a pandemic , that will wipe out the world and told china will be very affected.
coincidence that the name EVERGREEN is linked to so many accident or criminal operations.
the message could be to russia and china. that they will get and [ever green] war that will be [ever given ] attacks with [biological weapons.]
Green color is the color always associated with poison and viruses.. in movies ,and they know it .
in case anyone have doubts..
the container that blocked the suez chanel , was from a taiwaness company [ever green] with the name [ever given]
and the CIA front airliner , that made headlines world wide even ,even wikipedia says this.
A CIA airliner.. Evergreen International Airlines
An Evergreen 747 Supertanker departs Ben Gurion Airport, Israel, (2007) Evergreen International Airlines was a charter and cargo airline based in McMinnville, Oregon, United States. Wholly owned by Evergreen International Aviation, it had longstanding ties to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
a taiwanese ship, suspected to also be linked to western intel . the ship that blocked the suez channel , i posted a video about it , in this same forum. explaining all the connections..
Another major coincidence , a major accident in china ..
what are the possibilities of so many "ever greens "connected with accidents and cia operations? the western british and US agencies ,they like to play mind games with their enemies , and this is how they do it , before anything big happens , they like to brag about it , by creating small accidents earlier or major intel operations and not even hide it .
you also have green peace ,the environmentalist terrorist , financed by soros. so is not a coincidence. the crew of the ever green ship is arrested by egypt under terrorism charges , and they had to know about all this "coincidences" because is all in the internet being discussed by the average youtuber.
final but not last "coincidence?"
This CIA connected show , the simpsons..
the address of the simpson family is ....
742 Springfield Evergreen Terrace is the main location in The Simpsons and the address of the Simpson family's house. This is a cartoon show , that its owner is a known freemason with major connections with the CIA. The so called "predictions" at times he get right ,are nothing more than leaks he get from the intel agencies , that work closely with the anglowestern entertainment industry.
the place where US had an outbreak of a covid19 like virus/illness?
The outbreak began at Greenspring Springfield Retirement Community in June 30. Sick residents had symptoms such as coughs, fevers and pneumonia.
So it is a coincidence ,that the place of residence of the cartoons created by a major ranked freemason, that "predicted syria war" and many other incidents ,have 2 words , identical ,to the same place where major covid19 like virus began in US , and same word of the company that owns the ship that blocked the suez channel ,same word of a very know scandalous CIA airliner, same word of a truck that block many lines in a highway in china , a very strange and unusual accident. i don't think so ,the western elites likes to play mind detective games , and give hints and clues of how they will attack their enemies next time. to make it look that they are so powerful ,that can plan in peace their next attacks and even give hints about it. and for more mind games , look at the london olympic ceremony opening in 2012, it can't be more visually obvious than that, a ceremony totally dedicated to viruses terrorizing children and doctors and nurses acting like puppet robots.
Conclusion , is highly unlikely , this pandemic is a "natural event" , but instead a man made one , not even US believe it was naturally spread, neither china , they have told it . The day 1 version in january 2020 ,was according to trump ,that it escaped from china lab in wuhan, the chinesse reply was ,that it was US military who passed the virus to them. so who is telling the truth? Who was trying to break the other nation first ? at those times? trump sanctions of all china tech industry anyone?
And all the extraordinary coincidences ,shows ,this was a western intel operation . not only the pandemic but also the suez channel blockade. which its crew are in jail now in egypt. and what is scary is ,that if all this turn to be 100% confirmed , then the western signals ,very big in the taiwanesse ship name , is that the west will be always in a biowar with their enemies. ever given , ever green. This is how Anglo powers plans to destroy Russia and china with biological warfare , and made it look , because allows them to attack and hide their hands . And it will be hard for russia and china to proof , with smoking gun evidence of who did it. without a major important whistler blower defector to talk.
the most likely true origins of covid19.. very similar covid19 illness kill and injure hundreds of people in a short time , this was reported in (june 2019) , 3 months earlier than china get sick people of covid19. western media blamed it on vaping ,electric cigars was to blame at that time.
Harvard University scientists called these illnesses a 'worrisome new disease' in a study published Friday (june 2019)
Vaping has killed FOUR people and left 450 sick because of a deadly 'new lung disease': Health crisis linked to e-cigarettes has now spread to 33 states and the CDC has urged all people to STOP the habit
Indiana and Minnesota health officials each confirmed one death from a mysterious lung illness in each of their respective states on Friday On Friday, the CDC said that there are now 450 cases of lung illnesses being investigated under suspicion they may be caused by vaping Harvard University scientists called these illnesses a 'worrisome new disease' in a study published Friday 215 cases have been confirmed, and three people have died after vaping and displaying symptoms of the mysterious lung disease Many but not all cases involve vaping THC and nicotine Thursday state health officials told the Washington Post that the FDA has warned cannabis-vaping-related deaths may be caused by a vitamin E-derived oil It's unclear what any of the three left dead after vaping used in their e-cigarettes
This pandemic was a false flag operation by anglo terrorist west , and the fort detrick "accident" was the alternative story ,they created and happened ,in case they were betrayed by an ally nation ,and expose US are the masterminds of the virus. That way if all gone bad , they can claim "it was an accident " sorry folks , "it was not our intention to pass a virus on china" ,Russia and europe, during olympics games in wuhan . fort detrick is likely how they planned to retreat in case they were caught on the cheat. All makes sense , US at war with china and russia , start arab spring , several other incidents ,to attack russia and china like the war on oil prices and the war on chinese high tech industry , and after than they switched to biological warfare in hopes to bring down their enemies. but before they do that , they need to have an antidote for their own virus ,and all western elites parts of the system vaccinated. This is what is called controlled chaos , with limited friendly fire . like sinking the boat where you and your enemies are , this will make sense if the west are aware their enemies don't know how to swim , and the west are master in swimming. the same principle of the war on oil prices , it hurts the west , but hurts far more russia ,because its economy is heavily dependent (40%) versus (7%) of the west. this is why obama can keep doing fracking at a lost. it hurts their oil industry but cause far more damages to the entire russia economy.
interesting comments from the above youtube video.
Eric C. 1 week ago For the last decade China has been steadily increasing it's world presence as the next superpower. To think China would destroy it's ambitions by releasing a virus seems a bit absurd, whereas the USA releasing the virus to sabotage China's lead seems alot more viable.
Ye321 1 week ago (edited) I still remember the E cigarette thing happened in 2019. When turned on News, E cig news everyday back then. Until Covid 19 outbreak, E cig suddenly stopped.
Louis Lee 1 week ago Strangely the western media never show any interest or reporting about fort detrick lab..
Orbital Potato 1 week ago (edited) Ok so what America is saying is the Covid-19 was leaked from a perfectly functional Wuhan biolab but not from a run down, leaking US biolab. makes perfect sense right?
to summarize the "coincidences " and the hidden messages in western planned "green" named operations. words they like to show a lot in their hidden message are ,
Green , Spring , Ever Given. but also FIELDS.
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We will [ever give] an Arab-Spring a Green-Spring (biological war) every Spring EVER year . So the west will attack russia and china and keep their allies under tight control ,with bio warfare until all resistance destroyed and the entire world captured by the anglowest, and new viruses will unleashed on a seasonal base. Every spring , early in the year ,Every new year , expect a new major virus operation from the west. The new virus of the west is the delta variant of india , that started this spring ,this one bypass Russia sputnik vaccine and is the one causing major damages and spikes in death rates and infections. the delta variant is almost completely different to the virus in wuhan , and sputnik v , does not work with it very well. expect a new variant in the next spring of 2022, the pentagon have to have lots of viruses in their inventory to alternate. all this shake of hands , of biden with putin is just a distraction , and even if not , biden is just a puppet and he don't create foreign policy , only the military and wallstreet super billionaires connected control US foreign policy.
if anything Putin is teaching the west , is that Russia is ill prepared to face a biological war , because they can't even handle the delta variant of india well , imagine if the war , of the west , was using far more lethal and dangerous and virulent viruses . None of Russia military weapons can counter this new war the west have unleashed on russia. If this was a game it will be 5 to 0 ,Putin = ZERO and the west = 5 , because this is how many times the west have done big attacks on russia and putin have been unable to solve the problems the west created , only survive , but this is not a sustainable policy of surviving only. 1) Syria 2) ukraine 3) War on oil prices 4) Armenia 5) covid19. next attacks? new conflicts on russian borders and new pandemics ,that will bleed russia to death.
Well I don't know where you get your figures that claim 10x or even 20x more people die from Covid than as per usual. You are welcome to show me these figures. but even "your" chart fails to show that scenario. I would guess this is just normal fear mongering speculation - just like the rest of the info on Russia you put out there. Everything you say is pure speculation.
The more infectious the more people will get sick and naturally this will put pressure on the medical and emergency services - and yes that can result in a crisis for sure, but there is NOTHING to suggest anything close to your above scenario.
Whether you refer to death rate per thousand or per million makes no difference - the ratio remains the same - and I'm no mathematician!
AND YES I can compare the EU and the rest of the World with what is going on in Russia by "using the average"! How else would you be able to come to an educated conclusion?!
As you pointed out the West is hammering on the "Russian Covid Crisis" but they should rather look into their own backyard if you can believe their own figures.
By looking at the leading countries in the West's, using their own official figures, they are doing MUCH worse that Russia!
I've mentioned the UK and France already, which is much higher than Russia - so is the US with 1866 deaths per million SINCE THE OUT BRAKE.
But you wish to believe differently? Ok that's cool no problem.
It doesn't matter what the facts are, Putin is an idiot and he is to blame for everything... after all the US has about three times bigger population but a six times higher fatality rate and a budget of three quarters of a trillion dollars every year and bio labs funded in hundreds of countries around the world... you couldn't possibly simply point to the US and say they are the absolute worst because they are spending more than the rest of the world that is not their bitch combined including all their supposed enemies like north korea and cuba and russia and china and Iran... and they force HATO members to buy their shit too which just adds to all the spending on weapons, and they were the worst prepared of any so called first world white european country despite regularly calling itself a hyper power.
But somehow Russia developing safe and effective vaccines and giving the Russian people the choice to take it or not makes Putin evil and all Russians stupid.
You can bollock on about infection rates but only deaths are actually significant... infections really mean nothing because getting this virus wont protect you from getting it again next year... or do you not understand how virus's work?
I already get vaccinated every year from the normal flu virus... because it is free.
This is just something else to get vaccinated against... but I am still hoping for the hollywood ending where I get the monkey strain and it changes my DNA and all my body hair falls off and I lose 95% of my intellect and start speaking with an Australian accent.... ( as opposed to losing 98% and sounding like a pom... or 99% and having an American accent... or perhaps 100% and sounding like a dishmop or block of cheese.)
This is just something else to get vaccinated against... but I am still hoping for the hollywood ending where I get the monkey strain and it changes my DNA and all my body hair falls off and I lose 95% of my intellect and start speaking with an Australian accent.... ( as opposed to losing 98% and sounding like a pom... or 99% and having an American accent... or perhaps 100% and sounding like a dishmop or block of cheese.)
Vann7 wrote:...the address of the simpson family is ....
742 Springfield Evergreen Terrace is the main location in The Simpsons and the address of the Simpson family's house. This is a cartoon show , that its owner is a known freemason with major connections with the CIA. The so called "predictions" at times he get right ,are nothing more than leaks he get from the intel agencies , that work closely with the anglowestern entertainment industry.
the place where US had an outbreak of a covid19 like virus/illness?
The outbreak began at Greenspring Springfield Retirement Community in June 30. Sick residents had symptoms such as coughs, fevers and pneumonia.
So it is a coincidence ,that the place of residence of the cartoons created by a major ranked freemason, that "predicted syria war" and many other incidents ,have 2 words , identical ,to the same place where major covid19 like virus began in US , and same word of the company that owns the ship that blocked the suez channel ,same word of a very know scandalous CIA airliner, same word of a truck that block many lines in a highway in china , a very strange and unusual accident. i don't think so ,the western elites likes to play mind detective games , and give hints and clues of how they will attack their enemies next time. to make it look that they are so powerful ,that can plan in peace their next attacks and even give hints about it. and for more mind games , look at the london olympic ceremony opening in 2012, it can't be more visually obvious than that, a ceremony totally dedicated to viruses terrorizing children and doctors and nurses acting like puppet ...
Holy fucking shit!!!
Vann, you have always been a retard milestone and benchmark but this here, this must be your ultimate masterpiece, your Mona Lisa, your Citizen Kane, your Sistine Chapel, your Michelangelo's David, your Mirror's Edge, your War and Peace...
You can bollock on about infection rates but only deaths are actually significant... infections really mean nothing because getting this virus wont protect you from getting it again next year... or do you not understand how virus's work?
I already get vaccinated every year from the normal flu virus... because it is free.
I'm not so eager on vaccination for various reasons but that's ok as we all should have a choice - just like the flu vac.
As far as the virus goes - the fact that it is a virus makes it possible to mutate into a new strain each and every time. That means every year you're going to get a booster shot. Some of these vaccines are mRNA developments which is highly problematic in that mRNA, vaccines are the first vaccines in history to intervene directly in patients’ genetic material and alter it, posing problems when it comes to health, ethics and morality.
In short, these vaccines turn your body’s cells into factories that create proteins that spur a pathogen-specific immune response. mRNA vaccines are being hailed in some quarters for their breakthrough technology, and while they do have some advantages over traditional vaccines, the fact remains that we simply do not know anything about their long-term effects. These things are still experimental but these things are not so much discussed in the mainstream media.
The two well known "philanthropist" from the famous foundation had a run in India and Africa with these type of vaccines with disastrous results.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the eventual outcome would be, but I'll wait it out without these mRNA vaccines. The are others like Sputnik V(I think) that don't use this method though and should be much safer.
But if I'm somehow forced I would probably go for the Sputnik V, but probably only at gunpoint!
Another thing I would like to stress is that the vaccines have become a highly charged political tool over the world - with the West (again) leading the charge.
It is no different in my own country. When Sputnik V was launched as the first vaccine, our leading medical adviser to the Government, snubbed the Russian vaccine on national radio (probably on TV as well). At that time our country was heavily up the arse of the Oxford Astra Zeneka that turned out to be somewhat of a disaster. Now they are looking at Sputnik and the Chinese one to sort out our disastrous vaccination program!
But what pissed me off is that somebody in her profession could be so "unprofessional". She deserves to be struck from the medical roll.
The only conceivable advantage of mRNA vaccines is that they spam more virus proteins into your system than a regular and proven vaccine does. So it is a game of phathogen doses. Since established vaccines have been proven to work well with a booster shot (just like the mRNA wonders require) then I see zero value in mRNA vaccines. As I have posted before in this thread, it is known that the immune system can fail with a by-stander effect where a mixture of foreign proteins and the body's own proteins (for example from a dead infested cell) can lead to the development of antibodies that attack the body.
This autoimmune pathology risk is dialed up with mRNA wonders since they work through the mechanism of altering cell DNA to produce virus proteins (e.g. the spike protein of the SARS-Cov-2 virus) and then release them when they die. All our cells die and the number every minute is enormous. The Pfizer vaccine variant uses a very small lipid drop as a vector for the mRNA. These lipid drops are much smaller than the typical virus such as the adenoviruses used in Sputnik V. Thus they are able to penetrate deeper into the tissues and I will claim even into the brain if they lipid drop is stripped off enough during injection (something that simply cannot be excluded). This sounds like some sort of advantage, but one does not need full body penetration to activate the immune system to do its job.
If someone chimes in with the claim that the mRNA is "custom" and thus optimal, the same can be said for Sputnik V type vaccines where the mRNA is used to modify mild virus species. So the same spike protein can be introduced to prime the immune system as with Pfizer, etc. Thus I do not see any evidence of the superiority of mRNA vaccines.
kvs wrote: I do not see any evidence of the superiority of mRNA vaccines.
But but GarryB claims american vaccines are safe , because they worked well for him in the past. so the past performance of previous vaccines ,define the future of new ones according to him.
in more vaccines safe news..
another unlucky one ,byte the dust with pfizer shot.
Probe launched after Ukrainian man loses consciousness & dies just four hours after taking first dose of Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine
Ukrainian health authorities are reviewing an incident in which a man died just hours after taking the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Five other patients who received injections from the same vial did not have any side effects The Ukrainian health ministry said in a statement that a 47-year-old man from the Vinnytsia region was vaccinated by a mobile team at around 1:45pm local time on Friday.
The man initially appeared to have no complications, but at around 5pm he began complaining about nausea, and then he lost consciousness. An ambulance was called, but resuscitation efforts failed and the patient died about an hour later. This is considered too short a time frame for the death to be a mere coincidence.
So the kill count is now like 15,500 + 1 , of mRNA vaccines and astrazeneca , according to those counting , but as always , pfizer or moderna will deny , it was them to blame, and they always blame the victim.
you can survive covid19 but no one survive a vaccine shot that goes wrong , mRNA shots can be more lethal ,than the virus it wants to counter.
I feel sorry for those people ,that are deceived to become guinea pigs experiments , thanks to the lying media , people still vaccinate with those genetical experiments.
But but Vann... you are free to say as you please, but are you old enough to remember some of the diseases vaccination managed to eliminate from western society?
Idiots like you who are happy to take the risk that this new virus wont kill you is why the world still has a lot of very dangerous old viruses that are not going to go away on their own.
Anthrax, Small Pox, Polio, Rabies, Tuberculosis, Ruebella, Cholera, Measles, Mumps... you likely don't even recognise half of these or what they do...
GarryB wrote:But but Vann... you are free to say as you please, but are you old enough to remember some of the diseases vaccination managed to eliminate from western society?
Idiots like you who are happy to take the risk that this new virus wont kill you is why the world still has a lot of very dangerous old viruses that are not going to go away on their own.
Anthrax, Small Pox, Polio, Rabies, Tuberculosis, Ruebella, Cholera, Measles, Mumps... you likely don't even recognise half of these or what they do...
In none of those viruses , it was mandatory for people to vaccinate , it was optional .
and there are plenty of reasons to distrust in today virus , versus yesterday ones . this is the thing ,that you choose to sink your head in the sand , and pretend to know now the differences ,that i explained them to you . the difference between past and now.
Reasons why you can't compare the past viruses/vaccines with today ones...
1) US economy is in Big troubles ,because china is surpassing the west not only in economy but in business and technology , and the west is perfectly capable to use viruses to attack their enemies , but also create fake vaccines to control its population and as much world population they can ,with fake-double purpose vaccines.
2)the anglo west , US -UK and their minions are the #1 suspect of this covid19 pandemic. There was plenty of warnings ,that the west was going to unleash a virus in china , from whistlerblowers to so called "simulations" of western billionaires. , and if that wasn't enough , Antonny Faucci , the top person in america in charge of emergencies with viruses , slipped in an university conference ,that trump was going to face a pandemic.
So there was a mountain of evidence that china was going to be attacked with a virus . i posted a video of it , but seemed too crazy to be true.. but it was true.
high ranked freemason elites meeting in london , making fun that china will catch a flu , and millions will die. and that the reason for the attack was to stop china from becoming to rich and too powerful , because was threatening their anglo western system.
this was reported in February 2010
Was reported in text + video done about it . by one very respected investigator , that did not knew if the information of the whistlerblower was true or not , but released it to the public anyway , (just in case). I saw it , but though was just fake info , because was too crazy to be true.. a biological war against china ? i didn't though that was possible , but ohh how wrong i was. if it is done correctly , when china economy too integrated with the west ,and made it look was an accident , by not only targeting china but the entire world ( but in their own way ) in a rigged way.. then it can be done.
Historians tell us that the "Anglo-Saxon Mission" refers to the spread of Christianity in the 8th century. But over a thousand years later, there is now another, far more sinister meaning to the phrase.
We recently received 11 pages of information from an insider who was physically present at a meeting of Senior Masons in the City of London in 2005. What was discussed is chilling to the bone.
I (Bill) did an audio interview with our source, an Englishman whose identity we have verified with all details known and confirmed. This man, like many we have spoken with, is no longer able to live with his conscience or to keep this information secret.
My original idea was to release a transcript of the interview, as we have done in the past. But the material it covers is so critical - and, for me, the missing pieces it provided were so important - that I've taken the step to present the information on video. The audio transcript with our source, who is not on the video, is available here.
What our source reports is this:
• There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.
• It is planned to begin with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into fear and chaos - all carefully engineered.
• The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.
• During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, "China will catch a cold". Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.
• This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the "real" war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.
This horrific scenario has been planned for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse - as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-planned financial collapse of October 2008.
the Anglo Saxon mission https://projectcamelot.org/anglo_saxon_mission.html
And this is a website , of whistleblowers , sometimes , the informants are trolls and only trying to damage the website mission with their fake stories, and sometimes they are genuine whistlerblowers . and unfortunately, for the world ,the epidemy they were predicting will happen in china and iran ,that they will provoked was a world wide one , this conspiracy turned to be correct and much worse that anyone could have imagined .
And those planning the biological attack on China ,to destroy them , according to the whistlerblower were FREEMASONS in london ,but also there was a lot of very important political leaders from UK and other countries ,from the west attending ,very popular , in a meeting they had , and began to plan the future events for the world.
China will catch a flu , that was their joke. and also planning a war to destroy iran . simply the anglo west is at war with those that oppose their system , and also attacking their own european allies and others to pressure them towards absolute obedience.
Rockefellers papers also talk about this flu on china , that will kill millions , and bill gates also ran (fake) simulations , but he told it was going to be brazil ,where the global pandemic will start.
and if that wasn't enough , british olympics was full of fearmongering about viruses , terrorizing the world.. so none of this things happens by accident. the western elites feel so powerful ,so unstopable,that they don't mind to throw hints , clues , little info here or there or their next major criminal terrorist operations.
So this is why you can't compare the past viruses ,past vaccines , with today ones , the times are very different today . the intentions are different , the goals are different .there was not a world war in the past , there was not a super china anywhere to threaten the western supremacy, and now there is one , and neither there was a russia with super weapons ,that can win wars. today we very likely face a anglowestern biological slow war , that they unleashed for several reasons ,but the most important one ,was china and russia , to totally break them. at least that was their goal. and apparently looks they planning to continue unleashing viruses every year until china and russia collapse.
so everything you know about vaccines , about safety in the past does not matter now, the world today is very different to the one 20 years ago ,now every-thing suggest the world is facing a biological war , that was started by the alqaeda friends in NATO and is ridiculous that you will trust , in those that started the biowar in the world ,to "protect" you from the same virus they unleashed in the world. The western anglo governments are saying it is a lab made virus from china ,China is saying is a lab made virus from US military , and russian retired intel is saying is a lab made virus by the west. so you have to be very naive to think , that you can trust in a vaccine ,made one of the major suspects of unleashing the virus . [/size]
The times are different today , now vaccines in the west are not done for "saving lives" , but instead for controlling lives instead. To have a way , to get rid of entire populations , any place ,if they feel they could be removed from power. or simply to reduce population ,for easier control of them.
In like two posts you have shifted from "We're all going to die from Covid!" to a hard core anti-vaxer! I'm impressed Van!
huh?
im neither anti -vaxer , neither pro vaxer . im not anti science ,im pro science. but if a terrorist offers you and your family a vaccine he have , will you use it? im sure you will not. if you have any brains you will not.
so the problem ,is not science, the problem is a trust. i don't believe the west wants to save lives with those genetical experiments , never used before , if they wanted to save lives ,they will use the sputnik vaccine , and talk to russia ,to produce it ,in america . Russia was ready for transfer of technology. but then the west is not interesting in saving lives , so this is why they will never cooperate with any true vaccine that works. and will continue using their experimental dangerous vaccines that have killed 15,000+ people, according to the site doing the count.
aside there is no reason to have any trust in the western pharma industry ,when they are the main suspect , based on factual verifiable evidence ,that they unleashed the virus in china , to destroy them. and the fact ,that they are tampering /scare mongering american citizens to run and vaccinate. the more they scare you ,to vaccinate ,that if you don't do it will die , the more distrustful you should be. and the fact that the western media hides most deaths , and protect the pharma industry , whenever anyone die ,and family talk ,doesn't help.
There are doctors opposing this western mRNA vaccines , i have posted many videos of this . but largely ignored them , because does not fit the official narrative of the west , that have brainwashed many in this forum.
So that said , russians should vaccinate with sputnik ,not because of their coward president says it , since he himself avoided it for a year , helping to create distrust in a genuine vaccine, but because is very likely they facing a biowar , and could be a long one, and new viruses will show up unleashed by the anglo west , so they need to prepare .
In the other hand ,people should avoid any vaccine produced by the anglomasonic west , that are the main suspect of releasing the virus , that they now are pretending to "defeat". if they want to defeat covid19 /sarscov2 , then why release it ? Is like trusting in a mechanic , to repair your car ,after some credible informant told you , it was the mechanic ,who broke your car. but is much more sensitive , because people health is much more important ,than a car . so you don't trust your health in pharma and governments you don't trust.
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Here is a fact that anti-vaxxers can't fob off. By priming the immune system with a specific target protein, the vaccine removes/reduces the risk of the immune system learning to attack the wrong targets in the course of an infection. This is a variation on the bystander effect. The immune system has no analysis department where the optimal antibody is chosen for production. There is an analogue of natural selection, where effective antibodies propagate and ineffective ones are dropped from production. So a non-vaccinated host takes longer to naturally select the "optimal" antibody. But the problem is that this antibody strain may have side effects since it attacks non-virus proteins. Individual genetics determine how sloppy the immune system is. People do not have the same performance characteristics in terms of immune system function. Some have hyperactive systems which result in multiple sclerosis triggered by a flu or other infection. Some are able to overcome flu infections fast because they can develop antibodies faster than others.
Here in America, there is a sport called baseball which is not as popular as soccer around the world; nevertheless, it is a dirty shame that N.C. State was disqualified from the College Baseball World Series because of Covid 19. They were seriously a cinderella team this year and they were on a roll. I seriously thought they would win the national championship this year.
In none of those viruses , it was mandatory for people to vaccinate , it was optional .
It remains optional.
You don't have to keep your service industry job of working with the public.... you can choose not to get vaccinated and take the risk, but what you can't do is not get vaccinated and make everyone around you take that risk too.
It is still optional... and there are a lot of selfish people out there... which is why things like conscription are necessary.
In none of those viruses , it was mandatory for people to vaccinate , it was optional .
It remains optional.
You don't have to keep your service industry job of working with the public.... you can choose not to get vaccinated and take the risk, but what you can't do is not get vaccinated and make everyone around you take that risk too.
It is still optional... and there are a lot of selfish people out there... which is why things like conscription are necessary.
No , is not optional , not optional for many people in key positions , also there is an enormous pressure in the west by federal gov , media ,private industry , that if you don't vaccinate with an mRNA vaccine you might lose your job. i have a friend , that its wife was pressured to vaccinate with an mRNA shot , either was pfizer or moderna , forgot which one was , and she is a normal teacher of school.
like i said before many times ,
The problem is not science , neither technology , neither vaccines ...
is a problem of Trust . nothing more and nothing less.
Half of the american military ,it was reported by US media do not vaccinate. they don't trust in their own military . and majority of black community neither vaccinate , why would they trust in their government ?
if you don't trust in a restaurant quality controls, you will not eat there. is as simple as that. if a stranger offers you water opened ,you will say no thanks... is a trust problem. you need trust first , before taking something that will be put in your veins. if there is no trust , there is no shot. is that simple.
if even the niece of john F kennedy , who was president of United States , and had better information from whats is going on in america from the inside ,from his own family members ,is an anti vaxxer from american pharma industry , if even doctors , are recomending people to NOT VACCINATE with mRNA experimental vaccines , because there are many being killed ,
then why you can't handle GARRyB , why you have a problem with people that don't vaccinate? is not them the ones you need to blame ,is your never do wrong west ,the one that you need to stop defending . they have a very long criminal record to clear first , and you need to stop pretending the mass crimes the anglo west have been doing in the past days ,weeks ,months and years did not happened .before they can convince the entire population to vaccinate. if the west stop arming terrorism to over run syria ,something they still doing today , if the west stop arming nazis in ukraine ,that use american weapons to bomb civilians ,women and children , if the west stop lying so much , that not even they hide , we cheat ,we lie , as pompeyo himself told ,, if the west stop attempting to starve venezuela ,denying them food and medicines , if the west stop legitimizing murder and torture , if the west stop their wars , their destabilization of nations and stop deploying biological military labs right on borders of russia and china , showing they are perfectly fine with waving bioweapons labs in the face of their competition,at their borders, at adversary countries borders ,and after all that done ,if the west allow civilians to sue pharma companies ,if their vaccine end injuring or killing someone , then maybe then , the western anglo world , will clear its not very good past records of moral and values and appreciation for human life. then maybe then more people will vaccinate when they say they should , but until the west continues , doing the same things , showing addiction to terrorism , addition to wars , addition to control society more and more ,continue repression and censorship of doctors that oppose their vaccines, then it will be not easy for the west to earn trust from society in and around the world.
even hundreds of brave american doctors are warning of western vaccines..
and their videos censored by their big censorship media.
more doctors , educating people about the dangers of mRNA vaccines . and Dr. Mercola ,is not a doctor in janitor cleaning , as you always try to discredit my sources , but in medicine . He is a physician who works with internal medicine and special conditions. and he write many books , guess what? on medicine. so he is very popular dedicated proffessional in people healths. he knows a little bit more than you garryb about vaccines and medicine. and he recommends to NOT touch with a pole mRNA vaccines.
So is insulting ,that you pretend people in the west to trust in anglo western vaccine industry ,that is fully owned , by their respective bad behavior governments and system ,that fully own their pharma industry ,and federal agencies same way they own their private lying media , and military ,and their politics . you have to be very naive person ,to think US system don't have any influence over their pharma industry . their influence is as strong as the one democrats and republics have over their fake news media .
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so the past performance of previous vaccines ,define the future of new ones according to him. 
Is like trusting in a mechanic , to repair your car ,after some credible informant told you , it was the mechanic ,who broke your car. but is much more sensitive , because people health is much more important ,than a car . so you don't trust your health in pharma and governments you don't trust.
