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    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #3

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:29 pm

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/03/unusual-mutation-in-new-variant-could-make-it-resistant-to-vaccines-14867725/

    A mutant coronavirus variant found in the UK is concerning health experts because it has ‘unusual mutations’ which could make it resistant to vaccines.

    The Lambda strain was first detected in Peru last December and has now reached 27 countries, including the UK which identified six cases between February 23 and June 7.

    In Peru it now accounts for 82% of new cases and makes up a third of all cases in neighbouring Chile.

    This suggests the variant is more transmissible than the original strain of the disease.

    Data shows it is possibly more contagious than the Delta, Alpha and Gamma variants – first detected in India, the UK and Brazil.

    This evidence also indicates vaccines may not offer as much protection against the Lambda strain, which Public Health England (PHE) listed as a variant of concern on June 23.

    Researchers at the University of Chile, in Santiago wrote in the study published on Thursday: ‘Our data show for the first time that mutations present in the spike protein of the Lambda variant confer escape to neutralising antibodies and increased infectivity.’

    They reached this conclusion after looking at blood samples from healthcare workers who had been given the CoronaVac vaccine from China.

    The UK’s Covid-19 Genomics Initiative at the Wellcome Sanger Institute said the Lambda strain’s ‘unusual set of mutations, compared with other variants’ make it difficult to properly measure the threat of the strain.

    There are also worries over a lack of gene sequencing labs in South America.

    Without the facilities to track the variant properly, the mutation could spread undetected.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:12 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
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    In none of those viruses , it was mandatory for people to vaccinate , it was optional .  

    It remains optional.

    You don't have to keep your service industry job of working with the public.... you can choose not to get vaccinated and take the risk, but what you can't do is not get vaccinated and make everyone around you take that risk too.

    It is still optional... and there are a lot of selfish people out there... which is why things like conscription are necessary.

    No , is not optional , not optional for many people in key positions , also there is an enormous pressure
    in the west by federal gov , media ,private industry , that if you don't vaccinate with an mRNA vaccine you might lose your job.  i have a friend , that its wife was pressured to vaccinate with an mRNA shot , either was pfizer or moderna , forgot which one was , and she is a normal teacher of school. ........

    Well maybe your retarded friend should just act like a fucking adult and do her job? Because Lord knows there are plenty of people lining up to accept her position and actually do the job she is paid to do

    If she is a teacher she should know that vaccines pre-date UFOs, lizard men, microchips, digital tracking and all that retarded bullshit you thing vaccines are made for:

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If she is a teacher she should know that vaccines pre-date UFOs, lizard men, microchips, digital tracking and all that retarded bullshit you thing vaccines are made for:

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    and what does your info had to do with the subject ?

    i know vaccines are old.. and criminals governments  that cheat people and do genocides ,are ever older than vaccines ,as old  as human first appearance in this planet. .  there are bad leaders , bad powers , bad dictators , that from time to time , do horrible things in their own population , so  just because something is old and historic ,doesn't not means is safe , you need first to know the source of the vaccine..  if can be trusted or not.

    catherine the great for example ,that was pro vaccines , and vaccinated all russian population with success and saved lives, will have never taken a vaccine from the ottomans or mongols or the jews ,not even if their life depended on it.  because those factions were at war with russia , or major 5th column in the country ,trying to overthrow the system. she was at war with that nation , and ottomans had a reputation similar to isis and alqaeda today , in those times.

    that said , the problem , is a problem of trust . would eat food , from people you know wants to kill you? so why is so hard for you to understand this?
    The problem with the west , are not the science of vaccines , they can be used to safe lives ,
    the problem of the west is that many people don't trust their government real intentions and their promote vaccines. is a trust issue.. repeat with me. .a trust problem.


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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:09 pm

    , forgot which one was , and she is a normal teacher of school. ........

    Close contact all day with 30-40 children or five times more than that in a secondary school... of course she needs to be vaccinated... what a selfish bitch...

    She might be worried about side effects, but she has a responsibility to the children she teaches too.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:32 pm


    Vann7 wrote:...catherine the great for example ,that was pro vaccines , and vaccinated all russian population with success and saved lives, will have never taken a vaccine from the ottomans or mongols or the jews ,not even if their life depended on it....

    She was not at war with Jews and Mongols, her life didn't depend on vaccine and she still took a French vaccine, a country with whom Russia was in imperial competition with

    As for your retarded friend she needs to realize that she is not a doctor, scientist or minister of health or education

    She is minis miniscule​ irelevant cog in a very big machine so if she no longer wants to do the job she receives money for she will be replaced with a more intelligent specimen

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    , forgot which one was , and she is a normal teacher of school. ........

    Close contact all day with 30-40 children or five times more than that in a secondary school... of course she needs to be vaccinated... what a selfish bitch...

    She might be worried about side effects, but she has a responsibility to the children she teaches too.

    Actually, the risk to the poor little children is marginal and it is her that is way more at risk. Covid-19 has less impact on children than the flu.
    At the same time Covid-19 is more dangerous than the flu as age increases. So the vaccination here would be for her own benefit. BTW,
    getting a vaccine does not mean that you're not a carrier. You just have less density of Covid-19 virus that you sneeze or cough out, and you
    release much less phlegm aerosol if you are not sick. He worrying about side effects only matters if she has already gotten sick and recovered,
    in which case she does not need vaccination.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 am

    The impact of dead children is low, but spreading it to 100s of people in one day is obviously going to a be a serious problem for the families of those children when shnookums comes home and kills the grandparents.

    Spreading it around the community means different strains and variants and it works like a feed back loop so that every year a new version with all new features comes around... who says it is only ever going to kill old people... Iphones come out with new features all the time...

    Wipe your nose and then hand out these books children... of course there is no way a flu could possibly spread in a school... schools are well known as being centres for hygiene... in fact that is where they should take covid patients instead of old folks homes... they can infect everyone there but they will be safe because they are young...

    Most of the primary school teachers I know (the new ones) have continuous colds... the more experienced teacher I know seem to be rather immune to the normal colds and flus.... but will that work with Covid?

    I don't know, but I am impressed you are so confident...
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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:15 am

    We will have to learn to live with this virus - just like any other Corona type virus.

    The other option would be to get 3 or more booster shots every year - the pharma guys would really like this option.

    The second wave in the UK everybody was screaming on about the horrendous amount of deaths but the facts showed a dramatic drop in fatalities.

    Here the Telegraph published a refreshing bit of sanity for a change.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:57 pm

    That was even before vaccination had even kicked in. This is the pattern with all diseases. The initial contact is the worst as those that
    have immune systems who cannot handle the disease departing for the afterlife. The ones that survive are very unlikely to die from the
    disease unless a new virulent strain emerges. We see something similar with the flu which has substantial antigenic drift and every couple
    of decades or so one sees a more virulent strain.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:08 pm

    Real-world evidence clearly shows Russia’s Sputnik V Covid-19 jab both ‘safe & effective,’ British science journal Nature reports, 07.07.2021.

    World-leading academic journal Nature has published a new analysis of Russia’s flagship coronavirus jab, Sputnik V, saying its efficacy has been demonstrated despite the EU and others dragging their feet on approving it for use.

    The article, published on Tuesday by Australian science journalist Bianca Nogrady, describes the formula, developed by Moscow's Gamaleya Institute, as "the subject of fascination and controversy since the Russian government authorized its use last year, before early-stage trial results were published." The news that the country had become the first in the world to register a jab against the virus was met with a mixture of surprise and derision by Western commenters.

    However, Nogrady goes on to say, "evidence from Russia and many other countries now suggests it is safe and effective." Approved in 67 countries, and with all published data seemingly, Nature believes there is little doubt that the vaccine works.

    Despite a number of companies in the EU vying for the rights to manufacture Sputnik V, the bloc's central regulator, the European Medicines Agency, is still conducting a drawn-out review of the evidence behind the jab. Two member states, Hungary and Slovakia, have jumped the gun and begun including the Moscow-made formula in their national immunization programs.

    However, the article notes, there are still some questions about monitoring for side effects, which are thought to be similar to such formulas as those made by AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. While some vaccines, most notably AstraZeneca's, have been thought to be associated with very rare side effects such as blood clots, Russian scientists have insisted that there is no record of major adverse events from their jab.

    Revealing in June that he himself had received two doses of Sputnik V, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that “now more than 20 million – 23 million – … have already been vaccinated [in Russia]... you can see everything is fine with us. Thank God, we haven’t had such tragic situations after vaccination, as [have occasionally been seen] following the use of AstraZeneca or Pfizer elsewhere.”

    For the EMA, Nogrady notes, this could be a sign that Russia's population surveillance system is not robust enough to detect any cases. However, she notes, several studies are underway in countries that have already approved the jab, like Argentina, Venezuela and Turkey, so more evidence will be soon available to wary regulators.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528573-nature-journal-sputnik-effectiveness/

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:22 pm

    It's already evident in the most vaccinated country (Israel) that the mRNA vaccines are not very effective against the new Delta variant.

    https://www.rt.com/news/528451-pfizer-loses-effectiveness-israel/

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:40 pm

    Lovely bit of news from my own country:

    When Russia wanted to donate 15 million doses of its Sputnik V vaccine to South Africa in February, our government declined because of uncertainty over the efficacy of this vaccine against the Beta variant of Sars-Cov-2, which was first identified in South Africa.

    Now South Africa is considering buying 5 million doses of Sputnik V from the Russians for an estimated $50 million, while the SA Health Products Regulatory Authority (Sahpra) is waiting for evidence that it is not dangerous for people with HIV/AIDS.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:...catherine the great for example ,that was pro vaccines , and vaccinated all russian population with success and saved lives, will have never taken a vaccine from the ottomans or mongols or the jews ,not even if their life depended on it....

    She was not at war with Jews and Mongols, her life didn't depend on vaccine and she still took a French vaccine, a country with whom Russia was in imperial competition with

    As for your retarded friend she needs to realize that she is not a doctor, scientist or minister of health or education

    She is minis miniscule​ irelevant cog in a very big machine so if she no longer wants to do the job she receives money for she will be replaced with a more intelligent specimen


    Catherine the great was at war with ottomans over crimea and southern europe control. ottomans main business ,what the kidnapping of european white womens from their invasions on europe and later sell them as sex slaves. so turks were major enemies of russia empire royalty. She also had a major distrust with jews ,and all muslims ,they were historically a 5th column of russia , trying to overthrow their government. so is not surprise that the russian civil war ,was lead by jews , and the major armed revolutions by muslim. Jews were not allowed to live in moscow , for the major distrust ,catherine had about them. and it was jews who conspired and killed not only 1 but 2 tzars . alexander and nicholas second. about mongols , maybe not , in catherine times , but much earlier they were major enemies of slavic people , since invaded them.

    Point is you don't take a vaccine shot from institutions or governments or people you don't trust .
    Trust is important , before you will risk you life with an experimental vaccine.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:55 am

    Vann7 wrote:Point is you don't take a vaccine shot from institutions or governments or people you don't trust . Trust is important...

    Your friend then has the moral duty to tender in her resignation because accepting money from institutions and governments she doesn't trust is wrong

    Also government and institution she works for can't afford to have someone who doesn't trust them on their payroll

    Trust is important

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:41 pm

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext

    As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines have “broken the link between infection and mortality”.1 On July 19, 2021—branded as Freedom Day—almost all restrictions are set to end. We believe this decision is dangerous and premature.

    In light of these grave risks, and given that vaccination offers the prospect of quickly reaching the same goal of population immunity without incurring them, we consider any strategy that tolerates high levels of infection to be both unethical and illogical. The UK Government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect the public, including children. We believe the government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19, 2021.

    Instead, the government should delay complete re-opening until everyone, including adolescents, have been offered vaccination and uptake is high, and until mitigation measures, especially adequate ventilation (through investment in CO2 monitors and air filtration devices) and spacing (eg, by reducing class sizes), are in place in schools. Until then, public health measures must include those called for by WHO (universal mask wearing in indoor spaces, even for those vaccinated), the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (ventilation and air filtration), and Independent SAGE (effective border quarantine; test, trace isolate, and support). This will ensure that everyone is protected and make it much less likely that we will need further restrictions or lockdowns in the autumn.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:05 pm

    Speaking about trust  , why some people vaccinate OR NOT .

    Is all about trust , nothing more and nothing less , they don't trust their system in the west ,
    that have given them a million of reasons and more , to not trust in them . Based on how they always
    get in power , and all they care (the anglowest) is about wars , and with their tax dollars , finance
    terrorism in middle east , or overthrow nations. Most americans (and british) understand their government is a gangster government , they also trying to destroy family values and their nation constitution too , that guarantee freedom of expression.  and they now using social media giants to censor americans , that their views not aligned with the system.

    all doctors mentioned in this video for record are not janitors or lawyers with a doctorate as Garryb tried to imply , they are health professionals who graduated from medicine school ,and work saving human lives.

    This 2 doctors from california ,who owns a private clinic and attend people with covid19, warned us about US federal government ,in charge of the pandemic ,was intentionally deceiving population , with their statistics ,pressuring them to write in every death certificate ,that everyone who died of anything as "covid19 death" , to clearly artificially ,and fraudulently way inflate to heaven ,the pandemic , to make it far worse than it really was , to make it look the virus was worse ,create panic on the population .  (  but also , what he didn't directly told , to justify endless lockdowns to make make the low income and middle class heavily dependent on the government , and also terrorizing the population with a virus , to justify mandatory or forced vaccinations)

    So this conference alone ,should have raised an alarm in the entire nation , and a major criminal investigation launched , and congress make hearings about why was the federal government encouraging fraud , and falsification of the true pandemic numbers?   perhaps , their fear , is that is too few people die from covid19 in america ,and too few infested in comparison to all population ,that no one will vaccinate .

    The most deleted and censored video in all youtube , by western media , with the most
    un-convenient information for the official narrative , that people reupload it again and again and again.. so everyone know. what's really going , that their government is doing.



    this doctors above ,their videos went viral in youtube and censored by western media giants, and attacked by US fake news media , so people not aware , how the federal government are deceving millions with this man-made pandemic. that the major suspect of being behind it , is not china ,but the west.  and Tucker carlson from foxnews ,once of the very rare independent journalist in america ,made a report about this. censorship of media on erick and dan doctors which are true doctors ,true health professionals , not fake ones ,as some will like to deceive people to think that... (everyone can be a doctor)  Rolling Eyes




    This is why Doctor Joseph Mercola , (another true doctor ,American physician) that writes many books and was very popular already ,before the pandemic ,told..

    All the roads leads to the vaccines , the purpose of covid19 is this mRNA vaccinations ...Doctor Joseph Mercola  


    So he clearly suggested there ,that not only the pandemic was much more than a biological event,
    but a western governments agenda , to get everyone vaccinated  with vaccines they already had plans to use on population before the virus began.

    How COVID-19 ‘Vaccines’ May Destroy the Lives of Millions!  Dr. Mercola Must Video ....

    https://beforeitsnews.com/health/2021/02/how-covid-19-vaccines-may-destroy-the-lives-of-millions-judy-mikovits-dr-mercola-must-video-3037714.html


    So , so sorry about the hurts feelings in this forum , for some people , I don't give a fuQinsht
    about anyone hurts feelings , by calling things ,the way they are exactly , for me human lives are more important ,that anyone feelings . This Looks like a man made pandenmic operation , feels like a major corrupt government operation by the west and there is not a single reason , to trust in the west , in demanding their vaccinations . if even their doctors are warning us , so what the hell people expect , that we block our eyes ,and our ears ,like a monkey ,and just simply trust in our lovely western system , and their lovely morals and good behavior they have shown to have (not).
    No

    In more factual news , speaking about morals , whether you should trust or not .

    Lee Camp: America’s impressive history of bioweapons attacks against its own people

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    But one thing you’ll certainly never hear from the mainstream media is that all of this is stacked on top of a mostly forgotten, yet impressively prodigious, history of the American people provably being used as lab rats by our own government. For example, as reported at Business Insider, “On September 20, 1950, a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city’s fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city.”

    So they, uh, perpetrated a biological attack on American citizens to find out what would happen in the event of a biological attack on American citizens?! Honestly, the mind reels. In one of the largest human experiments in history, our military covered the people of San Francisco with “... two kinds of bacteria, Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii…” (Nowadays you can only find that kind of treatment from Cleveland’s tap water.)

    ALSO ON RT.COM
    Americans handing out GERM WARFARE weaponry that could wipe out millions across world, Russian Security Council official claims
    The gas attack sickened many and was known to kill at least one man. According to Rebecca Kreston at Discover Magazine, this event ranked as one of the largest offenses against the Nuremberg Code since its inception because the code requires voluntary, informed consent to, you know, hit people with bioweapons. (Unless you’re trying to kill them, in which case I think the informed consent is off the table.)

    But that experiment did not mark the end of such things, just the beginning. “Over the next 20 years, the military would conduct 239 'germ warfare' tests over populated areas, according to news reports from the 1970s – after the secret tests had been revealed – in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Associated Press, and other publications, and also detailed in congressional testimony from the 1970s.”

    After it came out, the government explained that their goal was to deter the use of biological weapons and be prepared for them. Apparently we wanted to deter biological weapons attacks on Americans by dropping biological weapons on Americans first. What a genius strategy. Our enemies would never see it coming. Plus, why would our global nemeses attack us with germ warfare if we do it to ourselves? You can’t threaten to kill a man if he wants to die!

    Of the 239 biological and chemical warfare tests by the military, some were done across the Midwest to see how the pathogen would spread throughout the country (and probably to clear out some parking spots). When asked why military planes were dispersing unknown clouds of s**t over cities, they claimed they were testing a way to mask the cities from enemy bombers.

    "Yeah, we’re just covering up the city from the bad guys. Just covering it with a warm blanket of… bacteria. Just a big ol’ protective germ blanket. All cozy and safe from the bad guys — who are not us. The bad guys are other people — who are not currently hitting you with bio-weapons… like we are." – A US military spokesman, probably, at some point

    -Among other things, this program resulted in the murder of a scientist named Frank Olson in 1953 and (accidentally) the creation of the Unabomber. (Who said the CIA doesn’t work hard? They’re killin’ people here, electrocutin’ people there, creatin’ terrorists. That’s a hell of a workload.)

    Next, there’s the well-known Tuskegee Experiments in which “… government researchers studied the effects of syphilis on black Americans without informing the men that they had the disease – they were instead told they had ‘bad blood.’”

    “Not to worry, young man – you just have bad blood. It’s gonna be fine. But you will also die soon. That’s one of the negative side effects.”

    The researchers withheld treatment from the participants so they could continue to study the illness, which the men weren’t even told they had.


    What  Shocked  US military practicing bioweapons warfare on their own population?  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

    im surprised , RT have been not censored yet.. this is very scandalous...  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
    mark my words , RT will be banned ,even with the few traitors inside ,trying to damage the trust
    on them from the inside .  i don't think , after this report ,that Rt have a chance to survive all the way to the end of 2021.this is very scandalous report for the western credibility.  Laughing

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/528701-bioweapons-attacks-cia-military/

    i should make a poll , how long RT.com will last after this report , 1 week? a month? 3 months or 6 ? Smile

    i can't imagine the west will sit idle ,when RT keeps throwing verifiable and scandalous official reports , of US military biological warfare experiments on their own population ,during times , US government is facing major problems to vaccinate its own military , since a whopping half of it ,  refuse to become guinea pigs experiments , of western vaccines.  lol1


    And still people have the face in this forum to tell us , "just trust" in the west ?
    when US system ,Their military have been bombing with biological warfare ,viruses their own citizens without telling them , that in alliance with wallstreet super billionaire elite ,they can controls their private pharma industry as much they can control their giant fake news corporate media , that covers
    the entire world.   No

    sorry folks, anyone that thinks , that the US military , US intel agencies , US federal government ,and super billionaires in wallstreet ,that behave like gangsters ,and hard to differentiate from middle east terrorism, don't have influence over their pharma industry , have to be seriously delusional , or a major brain dysfunction.  some will say "its the jews" who control america ruining it , But i will not go there ,to exactly point finger as the master minds of this pandemic , but if i had to guess, it will not surprise me, that those that owns the banks in america and print the money , should had to be well informed in advance of this de-population project ,to take full control over society ,using man made viruses and trojan horse vaccines .The top banking industry for sure have a huge say over what is happening today in this pandemic , since it could affect their business too. And rockefeller papers was revealing "simulations" they call events that go all the way to year 2030 ,  which they claim is "predictions" based on "simulations" they do all the time, not only about this pandemic that they saw it starting on china ,but also cyberhacks at the global level, done by western intel agencies "mysterious hackers" that will damage entire nations economies. So either the western billionaires have God like powers to predict future global tragedies 30 years in advance ,or they are the ones planning those events ,and Anglo gangster powers are under major obligation to implement them and make it happen.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:34 am

    They also had systems mounted in trucks that drove around US cities pumping out bio agents and monitored the hospitals to see how the contagions spread through the city and how quickly.

    Not to mention their experiments with Plutonium...

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    Sputnik V will bring Russians back to Europe, 09.07.2021

    "Very remarkable and very positive." With these words, the Kremlin reacted to the proposal of the EU representative on the mutual recognition of vaccines. What obstacles are currently standing in the way of mutual certification of these drugs and why, despite the opposition of the Baltic countries and even France, this idea has every chance of being realized?

    EU Ambassador to Russia Markus Ederer actually suggested that the Russian Ministry of Health begin the process of mutual recognition of vaccine products. In fact, to agree on a certain unified vaccination certificate, which will allow citizens of the Russian Federation (vaccinated with Russian vaccines) and the EU (injected with Western vaccines) to be considered vaccinated in each other's territories, which means that they can travel without problems and restrictions within each other's borders.

    It is high time

    Let us remind you that this is now impossible. The fact is that to date, four vaccines have been approved in the EU: Pfizer / BioNTech, AstraZeneca, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. Those who have been vaccinated with them, from June, can receive electronic and paper certificates of vaccination of a single sample, after which they are exempt from the obligation to take tests and observe quarantine while traveling in the European Union. As for Russian vaccines (including "Sputnik V"), the official departments of the EU do not officially consider them for vaccines.

    Moreover, the EU is constantly dragging out the registration procedure for the Russian Sputnik. In mid-June, European officials said that the vaccine, at best, would be registered in September, or even at the end of the year. The lack of this registration, firstly, prevents Russians vaccinated with Sputnik V from being considered vaccinated in the EU, and secondly, without this registration, most of the EU countries (Germany, for example) refrain from purchasing the Russian drug.

    From the outside, all this, of course, looks wild. The world is mired in the coronavirus pandemic, states suffer from restrictions and lockdowns, and instead of hand in hand getting out of the pandemic and problems, they stick in each other's wheels and measure vaccines. Moreover, in a situation where vaccine wars in the ideological plane have generally lost their relevance.

    Attempts by the West to discredit Sputnik V (to prove that the drug is ineffective, unreliable and generally not a medicine, but a Kremlin propaganda weapon) failed. Since entering the international market, the Russian tool has established itself from the most positive side - both among consumers and among specialists (recently a very complimentary article about "Sputnik V" was published in the most authoritative journal Nature ). A number of states are already producing the Russian drug under license, and they are not wasting any words other than gratitude towards the domestic product.

    Therefore, in theory, the problem with vaccine legalization can and should be solved very simply - the EU should simply certify the Russian vaccine. In practice, however, such a scenario is unlikely.

    Three obstacles

    At least three major obstacles stand in the way of effective and prompt certification. First, big politics and economics. European pharmaceutical companies are not ready to share the European multi-billion dollar market with Russian competitors, and European elites are still not ready to admit that Russian scientists were able to produce a vaccine at least as good as Western scientists.

    The second obstacle is the European Union bureaucrats. The process of certification of medicines in the EU is extremely complex, multifaceted and confusing, and European officials, as a class, in principle do not have the authority and initiative to speed up and simplify the processes. Perhaps the situation would have been different in the event of a total shortage of vaccines in the European Union - but today this problem is not so acute.

    The third obstacle is domestic bureaucrats. According to some reports, the Russians (from the Gamaleya Institute and RDIF) are partly to blame for the delay in the certification process, because they cannot comply with the deadlines and standards set by the Europeans. And, probably, they don't really try. After all, today Russia has no incentive to break into the European vaccine market.

    Moreover, it even contradicts national interests to some extent. Due to the fact that the national population for the most part has seen the light and finally rushed to get vaccinated, in a number of cities in the country there is a serious shortage of Sputnik V. Domestic capacities cannot cope with production, as a result of which the work of mobile vaccination centers was suspended in Perm , in Yekaterinburg they temporarily refuse to revaccinate, and the Vladimir region requiresfrom the Ministry of Health of urgent deliveries of 100 thousand doses (in the region there is a queue for vaccination of 70 thousand people). Under these conditions, the rush to deliver to the European market can be viewed by citizens as a form of sabotage of the national vaccination campaign and the positioning of Russians as second-class people.

    Baba Yaga

    That is why the formula proposed by Markus Ederer (which does not imply a full-fledged certification of Sputnik V, but partial recognition for the possibility of travel) fully corresponds to Russian interests. It is not surprising that the proposal was met in Moscow very positively.

    “This statement by the ambassador is very remarkable and very positive. As for the mutual recognition of certificates and so on, this is something that of course needs to be discussed. Any kind of covid discrimination in connection with the difference in the documentary is something that will probably be unacceptable for any democratic society, "- said the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov. For its part, Moscow is ready for reciprocal steps and for the same de facto recognition of European drugs (recall that neither Pfizer nor other Western vaccines are considered as such in the Russian Federation).

    However, it was not without a fly in the ointment. Not everyone in the EU supported the end of the vaccine boycott. “It looks like a badly prepared signal. Is the EU fully confident in the Russian system of covid testing, the effectiveness of Sputnik and other aspects? " - writes a member of the European Parliament from Lithuania Petras Austrevicius.

    With the European parliamentarians, and even from the Baltic states, everything was clear from the beginning - these are people who are not responsible for anything and have traditionally negative feelings towards the Russian Federation. However, Clement Bon, Secretary of State for European Affairs at the French Foreign Ministry, took a roughly similar position. He urged his EU partners to "be careful" and say no to Russian and Chinese vaccines as allegedly untested and unreliable.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry criticized the position of the French diplomat, to put it mildly. "This is a hybrid of racism, imperial hegemonism and neo-Nazism: whole peoples are denied equal rights and opportunities, doing this contrary to laws, ethics and morality, pushing the world into confrontation at a time when it passes the hardest tests of a pandemic," said a spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova.

    However, one should not exaggerate the importance of the position of the French Baba Yaga. First, Clement Beaune is a well-known Russophobe who often makes scandalous statements about Russia. Secondly, you need to understand the specifics of the European bureaucracy. Markus Ederer is the pan-European ambassador, and he would never have come up with a proposal to end the vaccine boycott on his own initiative. This proposal has not only been agreed, but also approved by the European Commission - and the Russian Ministry of Health has already announced that they have received an official letter from the EU. And, of course, we are ready to discuss it.

    Text: Gevorg Mirzayan, Associate Professor, Financial University

    https://m.vz.ru/world/2021/7/9/1107978.html
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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:39 pm

    "Anti-humane policy": why France does not abandon attempts to discredit Russian vaccines against coronavirus, Alexey Latyshev, Elizaveta Komarova, 12.07.2021.

    The French Foreign Ministry has taken a discriminatory stance against Russian and Chinese vaccines against coronavirus, said Maria Zakharova, spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry. This is how she reacted to the words of the Deputy Foreign Minister of France, Clement Bona, who expressed regret that Greece allows those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 with vaccines created in Russia and China to its territory. Earlier, Bon has already called on EU countries not to recognize drugs for coronavirus until they are approved by the pan-European regulator. At the same time, according to analysts, the European Union deliberately delays the registration process of the Russian "Sputnik V". Experts explain the position of France and the EU as a whole primarily by the desire to protect its pharmaceutical market from competitors.

    Statements by French Deputy Foreign Minister Clement Beaune about Russian and Chinese vaccines against coronavirus are discriminatory and at the same time, most likely, are the position of Paris, said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

    “Considering that this is not the first such inadmissible statement by the French Foreign Ministry, this is not the personal opinion of an amateur, but the political position of the country. So, we will talk in a different way. We condemn France for such discriminatory statements by its high-ranking representative, which revive the spirit of neo-Nazi segregation in Europe, ”Zakharova wrote on her Telegram channel.

    “Beaune is not a virologist to lecture on this subject to sovereign states, linking medicine with national identity. This is more of the functional duties of Dr. Goebbels, ”the diplomat said.

    On Sunday, July 11, Beaune, in an interview with Radio Europe 1, expressed regret that Greece is allowing those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 with Russian and Chinese drugs on its territory.

    “I am sorry that Greece did this. I would also like to note that Greece, whose control system has shown some unreliability in recent weeks, has systematically tightened checks at the entrance to the country, ”Beaune said.

    At the same time, he called it preferable that all EU countries recognize only vaccines approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

    “I don’t know about 'reprehensible', this is a harsh expression, but, as we have already stated, we would prefer, we wish, that only four vaccines that have received approval are recognized in Europe (for the entry of foreigners. - RT ) - and this is not a question political and scientific from our common European Medicines Agency. Only these four vaccines are recognized by the overwhelming majority of European countries, including France, only three countries have chosen a different course, ”Beaune said.

    According to Maria Zakharova, such statements demonstrate that the French Foreign Ministry "is insulting for its country, which has not been able to develop its own vaccine."

    “The efforts of the French company, which tried very hard but failed, failed. We sympathize with France's failure. One could honestly say to Clement Beaune: France could not produce its vaccine, we envy everyone who could, we have been tasked with propaganda methods to counteract the success of countries that have demonstrated the achievements of their science to the world, ”Zakharova noted.

    The diplomat also drew attention to the fact that earlier the head of the French coronavirus vaccine committee, Marie-Paul Chieny, said that she considered the Russian Sputnik V an effective vaccine.

    “She's just not a propagandist like Clement Beaune, but a virologist - research director of the French Medical Research Institute INSERM,” Zakharova stated.

    "Irresponsible position".

    Among other things, in an interview with Europe 1, Beaune emphasized that French citizens vaccinated with Russian and Chinese vaccines will not be able to receive a vaccination certificate in their country.

    “Having received a Russian or Chinese vaccine, it will not work to return to the territory of our country and receive a vaccination certificate. And not because we discriminate against some countries, but only because only these four vaccines received the approval of the European Medicines Agency, ”Beaune said.

    It is worth noting that Beaune made similar statements a few days ago. So, on July 8, in an interview with France 2 TV channel, he said that EU countries should not recognize the COVID-19 vaccines developed in China and Russia.

    Beaune also stressed that the list of drugs that can be recognized in France and that will open access to its territory for people vaccinated by them should be limited to those vaccines that Paris is "confident" in.

    “That is, four - yes, there are not many of them, of course, because we are very specific and strict (we approach this - RT ) - four, which are now recognized in France and Europe. There are countries like Spain that have tried or are currently recognizing some vaccines, such as Russian or Chinese. We told our European partners and repeat again: be careful and say no to these vaccines, ”Beaune said then.

    This position was criticized both in Moscow and in Beijing. State Duma Speaker Viacheslav Volodin said that the position of the French Foreign Ministry on non-recognition of Russian and Chinese vaccines against coronavirus is irresponsible and shortsighted.

    “Once again, we hear a statement that betrays the true values ​​of those who are in charge of politics in France. An irresponsible and short-sighted position that ignores both the interests of its own citizens and the sound voices of politicians and scientists that sound in Europe itself, ”Volodin said.

    In turn, the official representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Wang Wenbin, called Beaune's position unacceptable. He noted that vaccination issues should not be subject to political interference. According to the diplomat, in a pandemic, the countries of the world should strive for solidarity, and not sow discord and intensify contradictions.

    It is worth noting that Beaune had previously criticized not only European countries that approved the Russian vaccine, but also a number of French regions. So, in April, he expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that local authorities in several regions of France made a preliminary order for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine, which, according to Beaune, is "irresponsible."

    At the same time, the diplomat assured that Paris does not oppose the Russian vaccine as such, but urges to wait for the decision of the European regulator.

    In turn, the head of EU diplomacy, Josep Borrell, directly linked the issue of access of Russian and Chinese drugs from COVID-19 to the European market with politics. For example, during his visit to Dubrovnik on July 10, he announced the need to respond to "vaccine diplomacy", which, he said, is being resorted to by Russia and China. Borrell believed that these countries "use vaccines to achieve their goals."

    "These countries are promoting" vaccine diplomacy "all over the world, we must know about this and act based on this knowledge," the head of European diplomacy was quoted by the Croatian publication Total Croatia News.

    Against this background, experts say, the consideration of the Russian application in the EMA is being delayed. The agency began an examination of Sputnik V back in March, but so far no results have been made public.

    Meanwhile, the Sputnik V vaccine is being successfully used in dozens of countries around the world. Thus, the high quality of Russian development following the results of vaccination of about 7 million citizens was ascertained by the Ministry of Health of Argentina. At the beginning of July, the department published a report , which stated that mild side effects were recorded in only 0.55% of those vaccinated with the Russian vaccine, and hospitalization after the Sputnik V injection was required in 0.0027% of cases.

    In April 2021, they published data on the use of the Russian drug and the Hungarian authorities, which had been collecting them since December 2020.

    Local experts compared the effectiveness of Sputnik V with other drugs used in the country. According to the data obtained, among those vaccinated by Sputnik V, there was the lowest average number of infections per 100 thousand vaccinated - 95. For Moderna, this figure was 177, SinoPharm - 356, Pfizer - 555, and AstraZeneca - 700.

    The average mortality rate recorded after vaccination was also lower for Sputnik V: one case per 100 thousand vaccinated. For AstraZeneca, this figure is seven, for SinoPharm - 16, for Moderna and Pfizer - 20 and 32, respectively, the RDIF reported.

    At the moment, Sputnik V has already been approved for use in 67 states. Such authoritative scientific publications as The Lancet and Nature published articles on the effectiveness of the Russian drug.

    "Not ready to share their spheres of influence".

    According to analysts, the information attacks on Sputnik V and the delay in the process of its registration in the EU are connected with the fact that the West does not want to admit a competitor to its market.

    “I think that they will not recognize the Russian vaccine as long as there is a real need for it, as long as there is demand in the market. When there is no urgent need for it and the pandemic is over, then they can recognize it, ”Vladimir Bruter, an expert at the International Institute for Humanitarian and Political Research, said in a conversation with RT.

    A similar position is shared by Vladimir Shapovalov, deputy director of the Institute of History and Politics at Moscow State Pedagogical University. According to him, the EU deliberately prevents the spread of the Russian vaccine. This "inhuman policy is dictated by geo-economic interests," the analyst said.

    “This is a colossal market for vaccine sales. Given that the pandemic is not going to retreat yet, demand will persist for a long time. Therefore, countries whose vaccines occupy corresponding market shares will receive preferences for many years to come. Western pharmaceutical companies are not ready to share their spheres of influence with Russia, ”says Shapovalov.

    From his point of view, the position of the West on this issue is clearly also politically motivated.

    “Western countries are unhappy with the fact that Russia was the first to create a vaccine. And one of the best, if not the best. This causes serious bewilderment among Western society, because for many years it was told that the Russian economy was torn to shreds and that the country had lost its scientific potential. This rabid propaganda turned out to be an absolute lie. Now the West is trying to slow down the process of recognizing the obvious successes that the Russian Federation has achieved, ”Shapovalov said.

    At the same time, the expert agreed with the assessment of Maria Zakharova, who called Braune's statements discriminatory.

    “These are absolutely discriminatory words and actions. By the way, for some reason it is France that takes the position of an implacable opponent of the Russian vaccine. The paradox is that this is the only country - a permanent member of the UN Security Council, whose science and industry have not been able to create their own vaccine. Maybe there is some jealousy in this for the successes of other countries, ”Shapovalov said.

    According to Bruter, in the current situation, individual states, based on their national interests, can, following the example of Greece, recognize "Sputnik V", which will allow tourists from the Russian Federation to enter their territory.

    “For some countries, relations with Russia are fundamentally important regardless of what Brussels thinks about this. This will happen on an individual basis, but at the EU level, recognition in the near future can hardly be expected, ”the expert predicts.

    In turn, Shapovalov believes that the issue of the use of Russian vaccines in the EU and the admission of Russians vaccinated by them to the EU should be divided. He believes that in order to attract tourists, entry to European countries for Russians may be opened before the use of Sputnik V in these states is approved.

    “Russian tourists occupy one of the leading places in the tourist flow to the EU countries, along with the Americans and the Chinese. Tourism plays a significant role in the EU economy, so Brussels is interested in Russians visiting Europe. In this regard, the recognition of vaccinated Russians will most likely occur faster than Russian vaccines, ”the analyst concluded.

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/884270-franciya-rossiya-vakcina-koronavirus



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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:11 pm

    I think when all this shit is finally over this period in our history may well become known as the Covid War.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:41 am

    Except it might be more like the war on drugs and the war on terror, which can obviously never be over...

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:11 pm

    Russian Direct Investment Fund Expects WHO’s Approval of Sputnik V in Fall, 13.07.2021.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) expects the World Health Organisation (WHO) to approve the Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine in the fall, RDIF CEO Kirill Dmitriev said on Tuesday.

    "We expect the approval from the WHO in the fall", Dmitriev told India Today.

    The World Health Organisation previously said that it expected to give its safety assessment of Russia's coronavirus vaccine Sputnik V in late June or in July.

    Sputnik V, the world's first registered coronavirus vaccine, has been approved for emergency use in 67 countries across the globe. Its efficacy is estimated to be at 97.6%, according to an analysis of data on vaccinated Russians.

    Earlier this week, the Gamaleya Research Centre and the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) said that the vaccine is effective against new coronavirus variants.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202107131083374730-russian-direct-investment-fund-expects-whos-approval-of-sputnik-v-in-fall/
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:36 pm

    Kiko wrote:Russian Direct Investment Fund Expects WHO’s Approval of Sputnik V in Fall, 13.07.2021.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) expects the World Health Organisation (WHO) to approve the Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine in the fall, RDIF CEO Kirill Dmitriev said on Tuesday.

    "We expect the approval from the WHO in the fall", Dmitriev told India Today.

    The World Health Organisation previously said that it expected to give its safety assessment of Russia's coronavirus vaccine Sputnik V in late June or in July.

    Sputnik V, the world's first registered coronavirus vaccine, has been approved for emergency use in 67 countries across the globe. Its efficacy is estimated to be at 97.6%, according to an analysis of data on vaccinated Russians.

    Earlier this week, the Gamaleya Research Centre and the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) said that the vaccine is effective against new coronavirus variants.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202107131083374730-russian-direct-investment-fund-expects-whos-approval-of-sputnik-v-in-fall/

    So the safest and most effective vaccine around (given its performance against new strains where other vaccines are much less effective) is taking
    1.5 years for the WHO to "approve". The WHO is like WADA, IOC, OPCW, and other "international" organizations infested with NATzO operatives.
    I bet some of the key deciders at the WHO will be working for Pfizer in the usual revolving door western corruption.

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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:54 pm

    Not only that, the WHO is headed by a man that has a very controversial CV. As a senior member of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (recognized terrorist org) he was personally responsible for brutal repression of the Amhara people, using his power to starve them out and deny them access to basic services.

    He is also accused of being under the thumb of China, but in reality he has very influential friends in the West. Bill Clinton, a personal friend, described him as the "hardest working man EVER!" Also well connected with the Bill Gates, whom he has "known for years" and a lot of the British elite. He is basically a thug in a nice suit.

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    Post  franco Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:27 pm

    franco wrote:
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    franco wrote:Russia should have wider vaccination against COVID-19 - Putin

    MOSCOW, June 12. /TASS/. The number of people vaccinated against coronavirus in Russia has reached 18 mln people, while no cases of serious complications have been recorded. This suggests that vaccination in the country should be wider, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday.

    11 days later and up to 20.35 million, so 200,000 per day in that time. Progress but still a long road ahead.

    Russian Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said that the number of citizens vaccinated against coronavirus increased to 23 million. Writes about this TASS .

    “Today it is already 23 million. In recent days, the speed has increased greatly,” he said.

    Note: 2.65 ml in 5 days so if that can be maintained... russia

    July 13th and Russian vaccinated totals cross 20% with 19.26 million (13.2%) having both shots and 10.16 million (7%) having one shot. So basically 11 million vaccinated over the last month.

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