The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

Some Lautman from New York City braying for war on Russia.   How typical.

I wonder what Putin gifted to Biden.

LMFS wrote:


                 

Made my day for many reasons

Look at these retards going apoplectic about the supposed results of the negotiation... priceless        

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1468281191321198594

What do you expect from idiots?

The US is going down the drain and these morons are concerned about war with Russia.

Today, some Police Detective just said, don't visit LA because we cannot protect you. This is how fucked up the situation in the US is.

Russia has the time on its side, slowly they will all destroy themselves.

As for the sanctions, they don't mean shit, they will be imposed tomorrow and Russia does not give a shit.

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West has already said that they won't be able to wage a war against Russia. Just that if Russia invades Ukraine the West will impose severe sanctions against Russia.

Looking at political ratings for Putin and Biden, one is desperate for a win, for the other it is just business as usual looking out for Russian interests.

Biden was talking tough going in to the meeting but I doubt he got any concessions at all from Putin except a promise no to invade the Ukraine without provocation... which Putin has been saying all along.

West has already said that they won't be able to wage a war against Russia. Just that if Russia invades Ukraine the West will impose severe sanctions against Russia.

So this news means they are not even going to impose severe sanctions...

Well that's not good

You know when Russia is being given goodwill by the US for any reason there's something sinister afoot

Hole wrote:Russia has her own SWIFT, her own credit cards. In less then a year half of the world would be connected to the russian systems and the west would lose another tool of repression. So please, go ahead and "sanction" Russia.

Sanctions against Russia do not work. Sanctions on Russian individuals and companies are irrelevant, as these people and firms have no ties to the US.

Sanctions on sovereign debt are less stringent than the initial market reaction would suggest, since they only target the primary debt market and can therefore easily be circumvented via the secondary market. In fact many law firms in E.U survive by helping local companies circumvent sanctions against Russia.

Moreover, Russia is one of the largest exporter of minerals. So U.S can't stop the flow of $$ into Russia. OTOH if Russia bans western companies from mining in Russia prices of minerals will skyrocket.

I get the impression that this entire anti Russia mindset is a Anglo-Saxon thing and they have exported this mindset to some East European countries. However, other European countries like France, Germany, Italy are not necessarily anti Russian.

The "red line" was pretty thin! Maybe Vlad had a certain someone's hard drive up his sleeve

What do we even talk about?
A country whose sailors were put on knees by the Iranians.
A country whose strategic drones are being shot down by the Iranians.
A country whose tactical drones are regularly "kidnapped" by the Iranians, who are playing with them later, smashing into the ground, or landing for evaluation.
A country whose surveillance plane was crushed by the Chinese.
A country struck by Iranian ballistic missiles salvos, smashing two of their main airbases in the region.
And capable of doing shit about that.
Going to war with Russia?
A nuclear superpower, outnumbering them with logistic&power in Europe by a factor of 7, as they state in RAND publications?
24:1 in artillery, and infinity:1 in ballistic theatre missiles?
Yeah, sure.
They can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, Pole or Pribalt

Biden never had a chance against this team

Hole wrote:
Biden never had a chance against this team

That is why he gives up just at the beginning.
He probably misunderstood Putin's "hello" with a friendly "Hande hoch!"

Ukria begged Canada for more military advisors and was told none would be supplied. So the mighty Kiev regime "army"
still needs more Canadian advisors after 7 years? Seriously? You can't make this shit up.

The foaming at the mouth North American chihuahua, Canada, has also demonstrated how much substance there
is behind all of its trash talk. Maybe the Ottawa Citizen newspaper (if it still exists, LOL) can send over some turds
in wrappers to help the Kiev regime.

LMFS wrote:Time for some pretty hard mental gymnastics in the US:

The pipeline is not fully operational yet. In fact, for the West, it is a lever. Putin wants to see Nord Stream 2 working. Therefore, he probably will not want to go over to the invasion of Ukraine.

https://en.topwar.ru/189935-sovetnik-po-nacbezopasnosti-ssha-vladimir-putin-mozhet-ne-povyshat-risk-vtorzhenija-na-ukrainu-esli-poluchit-garantii-nachala-raboty-gazoprovoda-severnyj-potok-2.html

That is ten points from me, first you invent the non existing aggression, then you lower your pants, then you justify the second by claiming it allowed to avert number one. BRAVO

The NATzO west is obsessed with the notion that Russia is desperate to export natural gas to U-rope.   All of the motive
attributions (aka projections) that pivot on this insane delusion are naturally insane delusions as well.

You know what is the point of bringing more "advisers to the scene.
There is a chance that some of them will meet their ancestors, and that would heat up the situation.
That is the Ukropistani logic.

kvs wrote:

Ukria begged Canada for more military advisors and was told none would be supplied.   So the mighty Kiev regime "army"
still needs more Canadian advisors after 7 years?   Seriously?   You can't make this shit up.

The foaming at the mouth North American chihuahua, Canada, has also demonstrated how much substance there
is behind all of its trash talk.   Maybe the Ottawa Citizen newspaper (if it still exists, LOL) can send over some turds
in wrappers to help the Kiev regime.

I don't think Western armies will send instruktors in Donbas war after Aleppo bombing. They know, Russians and LDNR as well will not spare them. In Aleppo RuAF effectively bomb command center with NATO instructors insede, who command and control terrorist's defense of Aleppo city. As I know, non survive there. They are not ready to die for Banderastan...

https://twitter.com/xnDMfJ9unsGZx4e/status/1468425744539860993 This sums up Ukraine perfectly.

VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/xnDMfJ9unsGZx4e/status/1468425744539860993 This sums up Ukraine perfectly.

That made my day. Lol.

Thanks

A good summary of how thing are right now.

Here is how I summarize the results of the video-meeting:

What Putin gets:
- Promise that NATO will not expand Eastward
- Promise that there will be no sanctions on NS2
- Promise that Russia will not be cut out from SWIFT

What Biden gets:
- Promise that Russia will not invade 404

What country 404 definitely gets:
- Less military assistance and weapons
- No Russian gas transited after 2024
- Independence... and a feeling of being "thrown under the bus" if above promises are broken

Basically, Putin maintained the status quo which means:
- Relative peace (important for Russia's development)
- Further degradation of 404's economy

Not bad for a day's work for Vladimir Vladimirovich.

Russia wasn't even gonna invade Ukraine. I think Americans never figured it out and thought they may get Russia to not do it, not realizing russias plan would have been to let LDNR forces to do it for them and Russia simply strikes from within their own territory for support.

Russia won this. But as said by the Duran, Nuland and fellow retards will try and do anything to prevent any kind of peace for Russia.

What are talking about ? You bring those conclusions from your ass.

The whole thing is about getting real agreements for nato to stop extension because previous "promises" were not kept by NATO which extended toward russian border.

That Putin/Biden meeting achieved nothing. Very likely Russia will go in in January because UK are still sending weapons, US senat just signed 300 million $ military help for Ukraine and France/Germany are still not pushing Ukraine to talk with Donbass. And Stoltenberg said No to russian red lines of not letting Ukraine in Nato.

Unlike during the last build up where the forces weren't composed enough for an attack, this time they did bring everything they need to invade Ukraine.

Ukraine is fucked. And since nato haven't sent any reinforcement on its eastern border they won't intervene.

That's pretty clear. War is coming. Biden had a last chance to stop it but he just sold Ukraine away. Better for him that Russia destroys it and forget the issue than have a country like Ukraine as his own problem. They can't sustain to spend billions on that corrupted country neither can they admit it so they just let russian take it.

No weapons that NATzO supplies to Banderastan make any difference. NATzO will have to invade Ukraine and do its fighting for
it to ethnically cleanse the Donbass. That ain't happening.

We have no information what threats Biden's handlers made to Putin. They probably tried to threaten Russia with "nuclear option"
sanctions in some pathetic attempt to force Russia to throw the Donbass under the bus. These threats are delusional on all levels.
They have no significant value for Russia and the Ukrian "army" was never going to achieve its genocidal objectives anyway.

miketheterrible is 100% right.