Talking bollocks thread #4

Those cheap, shabby, street-shitting cow lovers had their chance with the FGFA, and they fcked it up by being stupid insulting big-mouthed muppets

Good that you are not bitter about it...

The discussion about WVR vs BVR is certified sour grapes, proudly made in the US

The fact of the matter is that you can make your plane a BVR killer like the F-4 was, only to find yourself up against much smaller much cheaper much lighter fighter planes that you are really going to struggle fighting against.

Western countries can scoff at the Su-57, but at the end of the day if it enters a turning fight with another aircraft... its thrust and its capacity to manouver and its thrust vectoring engines means the pilot can focus on the enemy plane, while the guy in the enemy plane will be trying to keep his speed up and avoid entering a stall or a spin that would be fatal in a dogfight even if it is possible to recover because while you don't have control the other guy is going to line you up and turn you into swiss cheese.

Anything that does not conform to western standards or concepts is automatically considered inferior without looking at things and properly understanding why they are doing it different.

A good example would be tank main guns. When the Soviets introduced the 115mm smoothbore everyone said it would be terribly inaccurate without thinking about the reasoning behind it. Very simply the most effective anti armour main tank gun rounds don't benefit from rifling. The APFSDS round has a sabot that slips down the rifling and does not engage it... the FS means fin stabilised... it does not spin in flight. The HEAT-FS uses a shaped charge warhead to penetrate enemy armour and that penetration is reduced if the HEAT shell is spinning fast. A slow fin induced roll helps keep it flying straight but does not reduce penetration.

Not having rifling reduces friction, makes the barrel easier to clean, makes the gun cheaper to make and increases the muzzle velocity which is good for all tank fired rounds. You can either have a shorter barrel with the same velocity or a the same length barrel with higher velocity.

4000km range... so my maths were ok

Keep in mind this is the export model too...

Close, but no. Modern AA missiles can lock on after launch and some can even perform nose pitching maneuvers with thrust vectoring to attack targets behind the aircraft.

That is true but most short range AAMs have powerful rocket motors that burn for a few tens of seconds, so if you spend the first few seconds turning 180 degrees you miss out on those first few seconds of acceleration which dramatically reduces your top speed and therefore effective range.

Launched at a target in front of you the R-73 might reach targets 20-30km away depending on the situation, but turning 180 degrees at launch and you wont be hitting anything more than 10-15km away at best.

A quick flip of the nose and being launch directly at the target restores that extra range and also extra speed.

Keep in mind in a dogfight against a modern opponent the quicker your missile hits them the less chance he will launch a missile to try to hit you.

But these dark skinned, curry munching street shitters are the only friends you Ruskies are left with. Civilized White people are the ones you guys repel.

Just ignoring that racist BS there Russia has been trying to cooperate with the west for two and a half decades, and it is those white people who are rejecting them.

Of course they are not civilised or they would have embraced the opportunity to cooperate and work together to make the world a better place but really the west has taken its mask off and is not interested in that. It has created a colonial sweat shop and it doesn't want to give that up any time soon.

Fortunately the rest of the world sees this and are starting to be rather wary of the west...

Indian play string but is fragile as no one else. All its weapons are produced abroad and the shit they produce like Tejas or those frigates armed like a russian or chinese corvette are a joke compare to what China is fielding on their border

To be fair they did get royally screwed over by their British colonial masters for more than a century, and had no history of making their own weapons for themselves in the modern age. The fact that they now demand to make weapons in their country is the start of the solution that should end up with their own arms industry eventually.

Which is amusing because it is essentially the opposite of what the UK and Europe are doing as they are now moving their arms makers offshore to the US...

And Armenia was dumb to buy Indian ad systems when India us buying from abroad.

Armenia will be under enormous pressure from their new western allies to not buy anything from Russia.... They should chat to the Ukraine to see where that path leads... Georgia has slowed walking that path... at least till the Ukraine war is concluded.

Ive been seeing the Indian racism creep up to the point I am even seeing it on reddit of all places. RTN please knock it off. Hindus and Sikhs are good people. Also leave the curry alone too it is very good.

Hindus are good. Sikhs are the problem with the whole Khalistan movement.

RTN wrote:
But these dark skinned, curry munching street shitters are the only friends you Ruskies are left with. Civilized White people are the ones you guys repel.

Never seen any Indian in positions of power in Russia.

Just this election you had an incumbent vice president running for president who is half Indian, a vice president elect married to one, and a one time vice presidential candidate who is a full Indian.

Don`t throw stones from shit lined glass houses is all I`m saying.

RTN wrote:Civilized White people are the ones you guys repel.

Making F-35 an overpriced sitting duck is a sign of civilization ?

RTN wrote:...
But these dark skinned, curry munching street shitters are the only friends you Ruskies are left with. Civilized White people are the ones you guys repel.

Some fighting words there

Do you have the balls to use them in front of other Americans or are your balls only active online?

It is off-topic but here is the "civilization" that RTN desires so much.

People who disliked my post should get a covid test, one of the main symptoms is no sense of taste.

To be fair they did get royally screwed over by their British colonial masters for more than a century, and had no history of making their own weapons for themselves in the modern age. The fact that they now demand to make weapons in their country is the start of the solution that should end up with their own arms industry eventually.

Which is amusing because it is essentially the opposite of what the UK and Europe are doing as they are now moving their arms makers offshore to the US...

Cgina was in a worse situation and got destroyed by the japanese during WW2, used to buy everything from Russia but managed to produce locally. Indians are a joke.

Isos wrote: India play strong but is fragile as no one else. All its weapons are produced abroad and the shit they produce like Tejas or those frigates armed like a russian or chinese corvette are a joke compare to what China is fielding on their border (su-35, S-400, j-21, S-300 Knock offs, HQ-16..., type 055 destroyers), they better start begging for the su-57.

Your arguments against India's arms manufacturing and imports are unconvincing. The Tejas is a highly capable light fighter jet and gives India the numbers that it desperately seeks.  Several Indian frigates have being designed in Russia and several others are being produced in house.

India boasts a strong domestic capability in long-range cruise missile development. China's military modernization efforts are being met with a robust Indian response, as India deploys comparable weapon systems.

The Virupaksha radar now being installed on the Su 30MKI makes it the most formidable aircraft in the subcontinent that can easily match the Chinese J-10 and Su-35.

https://sputniknews.in/20240805/indias-virupaksha-radar-to-revolutionise-su-3omki-fighter-jets-7961976.html

For every Chinese S-300 variant and HQ-16 missile system, India is fielding equivalent systems like Prithvi Air Defence, Pradyumna, and Advanced Air Defence. India's S-400 air defense system is capable of detecting even the most advanced Chinese stealth aircraft.

India has never sought to purchase the Su-57. Instead, India invested in a collaborative project with Russia to develop a stealth fighter, the FGFA. The Su-57, designed to counter stealth aircraft, aligns with a specific Russian need. If India shares this requirement, acquiring the Su-57 could be considered. However, India's purchase of the S-400 primarily aims to counter Chinese stealth aircraft.

Isos wrote:China was in a worse situation and got destroyed by the japanese during WW2, used to buy everything from Russia but managed to produce locally. Indians are a joke.

China's technological advancement was fueled by the significant outsourcing of manufacturing operations from the US and other Western nations. Since the Anglo-Saxons, Protestants consider Hindus to be their biggest enemy they never allowed such outsourcing to India.

The colonization of China was far less brutal than the British colonization of India. Britain's colonization of India lasted for over 200 years and during this period more than 200 million Indians were systematically slaughtered. The very best human resource was destroyed.

China blatantly stole Russian military technology. This is not possible in India because a simple Russian lawsuit filed at an Indian court would have shut down all of HAL's operations.

While it's undeniable that corruption significantly hindered India's progress, to claim that China's rapid development was entirely self-driven, without any external assistance, is a misconception.

Tejas is shit. Its range is too small, weapons too heavy for it and it would be vapourized by J-20.

China has a huge advantage in missile production and drone production.

For air defence the gap is just too big. China has everything from manpad to S-400 with knock-offs of everything. Indiaan just finish to create a dumb Sa-6 copy.

When india finishes building its 4 destroyer that have just 16 missiles, China already operates a shiton of destroyers and frigates armed with its own produced missiles.

Su-30 aren't modernized and they already have far less of the than china has j-20.

And let's not talk about how shitty it is for the indians to operate hardware from different countries and how much they spend on western stuff that would have no maintenace/spare part or support in a war with China because they can't produce them.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Off topic, but Tejas is not highly capable.

It is only the best that India could realise without direct foreign involvement (but only buying selected systems).
That does not make it a good plane.

The LCA Tejas is designed to operate in the airspace over eastern Pakistan and Tibet, a role for which it is adequately equipped. However, the Ukraine conflict has highlighted the diminishing effectiveness of manned fighters in the face of advanced ground-based air defense systems.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:As far as the FGFA India wanted full technology transfer and did not even want to pay normally for it. Of course the project was interrupted.

No, only ToT related to shaping and RAM.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:They can even fit there their new prototype radar and mix it with Israeli electronics (I would not trust anything made in Israel after their latest act)

Israeli sensors have already been replaced with Indian ones.