Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

nomadski wrote:The list of equipment  supposedly held by Taliban my not be as useful as it seems . Pretty much everything needs spare parts of ammo or proper training to use . Unless Pakistan supplies these . They probably have compatible equipment . The most useful item are the small arms . But then again Taliban only have two arms and there is only 70,000 of them . Adult population in Afghanistan who can fight is probably 5 million . I doubt many are going to sit on the fence , for long . The Emirate , may only rule for a short time or be limited to Pashtoon core areas . The Emirate can never be a Republic . Rule entire Afghanistan . The question is , should other Afghanistan neighbours  apart from Pakistan who support Taliban , give help ( A Carrot carries a heavier stick ) to Afghans to push back Taliban or form a Republic ? My answer is yes . Now that the greater threat of American bases is diminished , the next threat to regional peace must be addressed . Russia and China should lead . Since Iran's involvement may worsen sectarian conflict . Not increase democracy .

One good thing about getting that equipment is that it does not fall into the enemy's hands.

Russia and China are supporting the Taliban diplomatically, while Pakistan and to a lesser extent Iran are supplying the Taliban with weapons.

The people in Panjshir, are being by the west to create chaos and a civil war in Afghanistan, something that China and Russia don't want.

Kabul airport still is chaotic.
Troops are getting fed up with politicians back home trying to weasel themselves out of the mess they themselves created.
Also American Officers repeatedly asked for instructions regarding evac with the deadline looming.

No answer yet. They decided themselves to close up the base for non-NATO citizens.
Afghan's without documents keep getting on the base, Suspecting an breach in the perimiter.

Heads Up: US CIA Director William Burns met Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/cia-director-secretly-met-with-taliban-leader-in-kabul-report-says-1.10146153

Sujoy wrote:Heads Up: US CIA Director William Burns met Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/cia-director-secretly-met-with-taliban-leader-in-kabul-report-says-1.10146153

Joe Biden didn't dispatch anyone. He doesn't know what is going on.
But someone did.

'We would shoot you dead if the world wasn't watching': Taliban's chilling threat to British student fleeing Kabul as satellite images show hundreds lining up in the hope of boarding a rescue flight

Flights out of Kabul stepped up amid final dash to get people out of the country before August 31 deadline
US evacuated more than 16,000 between Sunday morning and late Monday, with thousands more to fly today
NATO said 50,000 evacuated since Taliban took over, and that flights are being conducted on 'war footing'
Joe Biden is set to decide today whether to extend an August 31 deadline to halt the flights under pressure from G7 allies Germany, UK and France - though Britain has said date is unlikely to shift
British student who fled Kabul said Taliban threatened to shoot him dead after seeing his UK passport in a chilling foreshadowing of the threat faced by those who get left behind

NATO now puts the total number of people evacuated since the Taliban took power 10 days ago at 50,000, but that is still well short of the more-than 100,000 refugees that western nations had promised to take.

Jean-Yves le Drian, the French foreign minister, said his country would be forced to stop flights on Thursday this week if America sticks with the August 31 date - while Spain warned today that Afghans who helped its troops will get left behind unless the deadline is extended.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9921165/US-ramps-Afghan-evacuations-Taliban-warn-red-line.html

read this, this morning on mail online, but couldn't find the article

Afghan resistance 'conquer new district near Panjshir valley'
Afghan resistance fighters have driven the Taliban out of another district near the Panjshir Valley, commanders have claimed today.

Rebel soldiers are thought to have captured Kotal Anjuman, a district near the resistance stronghold of Panjshir, early on Tuesday.

Leaders said that 35 Taliban fighters had been killed in the fighting, and that heavy clashes are ongoing.

Panjshir, a valley near the capital Kabul, is the last area of Afghanistan holding out against Taliban rule and is being defended by an alliance of anti-Taliban warlords and politicians calling themselves The National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

Muslim Shirzad
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5 female journalists including Gulafroz Ebtekar, hidden in Kabul, now texted me saying “We tried to go out but couldn’t, we are hopeless and the only option is to kill ourselves.”

3 other women posting this morning on Stealthy Freedom, on Facebook, said the same thing.

https://twitter.com/mystealthyorg

Bill Roggio
@billroggio
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Panjshir resistance reportedly took control of Dushi (Doshi) district in Baghlan on Aug. 22. Have not seen Taliban reporting on Dushi.













Bill Roggio
@billroggio
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U.S. military, State & intel officials are now trying to tell us there was no intelligence failure. If that was the case, why did
@StateDept
wait until Aug. 7 to urge "U.S. citizens to leave Afghanistan immediately ..."? What was
@StateDept
waiting for?

Bill Roggio
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@AmrullahSaleh2
appears to be conceding that the Taliban have the upper hand in Andarab.
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Amrullah Saleh
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Talibs aren't allowing food & fuel to get into Andarab valley. The humanitarian situation is dire. Thousands of women & children have fled to mountains. Since the last two days Talibs abduct children & elderly and use them as shields to move around or do house search.

Omeid Matten
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Replying to
@billroggio
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Things change fast.
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Ashish Sinha
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Baghlan province:Amir Ahmad Massoud with resistance forces in Andarab.

@  Par far

"...One good thing about getting that equipment is that it does not fall into the enemy's hands.Russia and China are supporting the Taliban diplomatically, while Pakistan and to a lesser extent Iran are supplying the Taliban with weapons.The people in Panjshir, are being by the west to create chaos and a civil war in Afghanistan, something that China and Russia don't want......." .





I would say confidently that since fall of Afghan admin in Kabul , and subsequent dissolution of Afghan army  and withdrawal of American troops and capture of these military equipment by Taliban that there is no longer a threat emanating from Afghanistan by America or it's proxies in the region . There is no longer THIS enemy . There is just a relatively small but cohesive group called Taliban , backed by Pakistan , largely equipped with small arms , running about .

I would not yet qualify the approach by China or Russia towards Taliban as support . It is more like a conditional offer , based on practicalities on the ground . Iran does not yet have a cohesive policy towards Afghanistan . Apart from bland statements about good and neighbourly relations . Iran is not supplying the Taliban . All they did was return small arms captured from fleeing Afghan army troops , as a sign of this good neighbourliness .

There may well be other groups who are supported by many outside actors , for many different reasons . Not all entirely honourable . Taliban is but one of them . Both China and Russia are trying to formulate a joint plan . Iran should be part of it . But if it was me , I would include :

( 1 )  Stopping the flow of offensive long range heavy weapons , while allowing the people self -defence light arms . To defend against terrorists .

( 2  )  Building a multi- ethnic transitional Afghan council to administer internal affairs and distribute foreign aid fairly .

( 3 )   Long term investment by all interested parties in industrial cities .

This last step is very important . It should be built in multi-ethnic areas in distress , employing diverse workforce . Allowing for Afghan ownership or transfer of ownership . It should offer a good social example . Healthcare . Political freedoms . Security to be provide jointly by investors and local employees . Expansion of such zones in Afghanistan and central Asia .

Reading on twitter that the Taliban are proposing a 12-man council to rule Afghanistan. Includes 7 Taliban leaders plus an ex-president, ex- foreign affairs minister and 3 Northern tribe leaders, including the two who have taken up arms against them.

Ryan Nobles
@ryanobles
NEW: House Intel Chair Adam Schiff just left a classified intel briefing on Afghanistan and broke a significant amount of news. Here are some of the highlights.
First he said getting all Americans and allies out of the country by 8/31 is unlikely..

The make up should reflect ethnic regions and interests. But more importantly it should not discriminate against any region . Otherwise it will be or should be declared null and void and dissolved . Replaced by UN appointed body that will patrol borders and distribute aid with some policing duties .

If the Americans and Europeans have legitimate business interests , then for now the Afghan police or Taliban can offer security for them or rehouse them in secure area . And allow them stay in reconstructing Afghan economy . China and Russia can join these secure compounds . Some private American security can patrol these closed communities ?

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Sujoy wrote:Heads Up: US CIA Director William Burns met Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/cia-director-secretly-met-with-taliban-leader-in-kabul-report-says-1.10146153

Joe Biden didn't dispatch anyone. He doesn't know what is going on.
But someone did.

And like expected, Taliban said: "No, thanks for comming crawling here on your knees to beg tough!".

https://www.rt.com/news/532932-taliban-afghanistan-evacuation-no-extension/


And they said Afghans are no longer allowed to go to the airport.
Perhaps the CIA tried using threats and pissed them off?
it would not suprise me.

But Taliban where like:

The first step the neighbouring countries should do after the "deadline" is close the afghan airspace. No more bombings of weddings and funerals. No more drones killing farmers and children. No "accidental" drop of weapons to minions like Masood as they did numerous times in Syria.

"Putin warns Europe on Afghan refugees. Putin sounds off on mandatory..."

There is so much Salt on social media from the West.

I especially love how most just publicly state to start the war again and use the agreement with the Taliban as toilet paper and start drone assasinations.
And stay as long as we want on Kabul Airfield.

Thing is, i think they are dumb enough to do it too at some point.
Good news, Troops at Kabul finally received evac instructions.
exact timetable is unknown but its something in the lines of 72 hours.
U.S command told engineers to prepare to seal the airport gates.

I would laugh at the U.S warhawks kicking and screaming that they can not handle defeat.
If they did not advocate for an complete massacre of their forces at Kabul Airfield.

I mean, take a tour trough Europe here. Everyone here has monuments/statues to battles that did not quite went their way.
Get over it.

Also, Russia MOD confirms the MANPADS presence in Afghanistan:
https://sputniknews.com/world/202108241083702895-taliban-got-huge-amount-of-weapons-including-over-100-manpads-russian-defense-minister/

Maybe these idiots want to check the afghan-soviet war records for aircraft they lost on approach/take off from Manpads?.
My experience with Politicians is that its better to show pictures.
I really think they do not care if an transport full of people gets shot down.
As long they get their war to fill their pockets.

9th company had an scene of what NATO awaits if they stay:

JohninMK wrote:If true, why did the Afghan Army have them?

Murad Gazdiev
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The Taliban has seized a vast amount of weapons, including hundreds of MANPADS (shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles) - Russian Defense Minister

Not to blame country's here,

But a lot came from Pakistan/Iran in recent times.
The U.S supplied a shitload of stingers as well in the soviet-afghan war.
Like the damn things where free candy.
After the soviet withdrawal there where a lot of MANPADS left behind too.
But i dont know if an 50 year shelf-life was kept in mind producing these.

Taliban did also use old Stingers during the original american invasion.
Americans figured Stinger's would no longer be able to be used.
Taliban found a way around that one, they boiled the Stinger battery.
It had enough juice then for an quick power-up and launch.
Stinger's are passive infra-red. They do not trigger warnings in aircraft on lock and launch.

NATO in Afghanistan during my time encountered them at times.
Taliban Mercenary's where very adept at using them.
these where models from Iran, The U.S and Russia/soviet union.

Dont take my word for it:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-taliban-missile-strike-chinook

Edit: forgot this one.

More tourists are waiting to go on the Magic Carpet Ride:

JohninMK wrote:If true, why did the Afghan Army have them?

Murad Gazdiev
@MuradGazdiev
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The Taliban has seized a vast amount of weapons, including hundreds of MANPADS (shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles) - Russian Defense Minister

I really hope these MANPADS make their way to the EU< would be something to see a civilian jet liner go down with one of these.

par far wrote:

JohninMK wrote:If true, why did the Afghan Army have them?

Murad Gazdiev
@MuradGazdiev
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The Taliban has seized a vast amount of weapons, including hundreds of MANPADS (shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles) - Russian Defense Minister

I really hope these MANPADS make their way to the EU< would be something to see a civilian jet liner go down with one of these.

What is wrong with you?! You want to see more innocent persons die? How old are you?