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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:05 pm

    Isos wrote:Satellite images, AEW&C Airplanes and drones are useless against such groups.

    The best is human intel' from the population which can spot those foreign fighter the most easily and very quickly.

    Talibans have the more chances to find ISIS fighters there.

    Russia can help with communication intel but nothing more. China is totally useless in Afghanistan. US have lost all tgeir contact there after letting them in the hands of talibans, they will never collaborate again if they are alive...

    The irony now is that probably the only trusted nation by the people of Afghanistan is Russia.

    Apart from Intel, I can see Russian contractors moving in to the help support the Mi-17 fleet as a minimum. Also Russia has an airbase in Tajikistan, but it will be very cautious progress.

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    Post  par far Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:07 pm

    Isos wrote:Satellite images, AEW&C Airplanes and drones are useless against such groups.

    The best is human intel' from the population which can spot those foreign fighter the most easily and very quickly.

    Talibans have the more chances to find ISIS fighters there.

    Russia can help with communication intel but nothing more. China is totally useless in Afghanistan. US have lost all tgeir contact there after letting them in the hands of talibans, they will never collaborate again if they are alive...


    I am not a expert, I listed those things because they can track locations of the groups but of course one would need to know who those groups are.

    Why is China totally useless in Afghanistan?


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    Post  par far Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:Satellite images, AEW&C Airplanes and drones are useless against such groups.

    The best is human intel' from the population which can spot those foreign fighter the most easily and very quickly.

    Talibans have the more chances to find ISIS fighters there.

    Russia can help with communication intel but nothing more. China is totally useless in Afghanistan. US have lost all tgeir contact there after letting them in the hands of talibans, they will never collaborate again if they are alive...

    The irony now is that probably the only trusted nation by the people of Afghanistan is Russia.

    Apart from Intel, I can see Russian contractors moving in to the help support the Mi-17 fleet as a minimum. Also Russia has an airbase in Tajikistan, but it will be very cautious progress.


    By Russian contractors, do you mean Private Military or Mercenaries?
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:13 pm

    par far wrote:
    Why is China totally useless in Afghanistan?

    One assumes the comment was made regarding its military not economic abilities.

    Whilst it might have had practice fighting terrorist in its west it has no known experience outside its borders. Even against its own terrorists fighting in Syria, unlike Russia for example.

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    Post  Isos Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:16 pm

    The irony now is that probably the only trusted nation by the people of Afghanistan is Russia.

    Not really. They are very religious and want Talibans at power for most of them. Neither do they want Russian or US in their country.

    Russia is playing a safe game with them by being kind and not getting involved in afghan internal issues. They just kindly told them not to spread outside.

    Talibans are ok with this and they let russian ambassy safe since it gives them more legitimacy. They don't want to close the country neither do they want US or Russian aviation to bomb them on a daily bases.

    They even condamned the bombing at the airport.

    I am not a expert, I listed those things because they can track locations of the groups.

    Why is China totally useless in Afghanistan?

    Those ISIS groups are within the population from what I understood. It's impossible to track them with military assets. You need people on the ground with a huge intel network. Only talibans can do it.

    China was never involved in Afghanistan. No allies there. No intel. No military. They can't do shit there, even less when it comes to ISIS.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:17 pm

    par far wrote:
    By Russian contractors, do you mean Private Military or Mercenaries?  

    Yes, Wagner type operatives that now seem to be all over the place.

    I would think its far too early for official Russian military to be in Afghanistan. But you never know. A Russian unit into Bagram airbase? Stranger things have happened.

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    Post  par far Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Why is China totally useless in Afghanistan?

    One assumes the comment was made regarding its military not economic abilities.

    Whilst it might have had practice fighting terrorist in its west it has no known experience outside its borders. Even against its own terrorists fighting in Syria, unlike Russia for example.


    This might be a good experience for them, they don't need to send in big military groups, just small ones. I thought they would do that in Syria.
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    Post  par far Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    By Russian contractors, do you mean Private Military or Mercenaries?  

    Yes, Wagner type operatives that now seem to be all over the place.

    I would think its far too early for official Russian military to be in Afghanistan. But you never know. A Russian unit into Bagram airbase? Stranger things have happened.



    Would Russian private military contractors be able to hire from other friendly countries? I always wondered about this, how would it work.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:28 pm

    par far wrote:
    Would Russian private military contractors be able to hire from other friendly countries? I always wondered about this, how would it work.
    Mercenaries are mercenaries but I would think the Russians would stick together.

    Mind you, those Ukrainians might still be there Laughing Laughing
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    Post  franco Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Would Russian private military contractors be able to hire from other friendly countries? I always wondered about this, how would it work.
    Mercenaries are mercenaries but I would think the Russians would stick together.

    Mind you, those Ukrainians might still be there Laughing Laughing

    My understanding is that the Russian PMC's also employee Russian speaking Ukrainians and Serbs. Pretty sure Belorussians and Central Asians would be welcome also.

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    Post  par far Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:08 pm

    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Would Russian private military contractors be able to hire from other friendly countries? I always wondered about this, how would it work.
    Mercenaries are mercenaries but I would think the Russians would stick together.

    Mind you, those Ukrainians might still be there Laughing Laughing

    My understanding is that the Russian PMC's also employee Russian speaking Ukrainians and Serbs. Pretty sure Belorussians and Central Asians would be welcome also.


    I am thinking the same, as long as they have been in the military and can understand the Russian language to some extent.

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    Post  medo Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:31 am

    https://tass.com/economy/1324919

    Iran now become full member of SCO Shanghai organization. Russia and China already have an agreement to coordinate together any move regarding Afghanistan. Now Iran is also a member of aliance, so all three will now coordinate their work. Pakistan is also under Chinese influence and Putin have telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Imran Khan regarding Afghanistan. If SCO support Taliban government and they control whole Afghanistan border, than Panjshir rebelion and ISIS terorist activities will be very short living without foreign support. They are both dependent on US support and I think after August 31st US will not be allowed to reach Afghanistan again. Panjshir rebels will have to reach peace agreement with Talibans and ISIS is foreign terrorist group without real support in Afghanistan. They have no future there.

    India bet on wrong horse and lost. Now they will have to go many times to Moscow and Beijing to repair their lost position in region. They should not trust US, but now it is, what it is.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:41 am

    medo wrote:https://tass.com/economy/1324919

    Iran now become full member of SCO Shanghai organization. Russia and China already have an agreement to coordinate together any move regarding Afghanistan. Now Iran is also a member of aliance, so all three will now coordinate their work. Pakistan is also under Chinese influence and Putin have telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Imran Khan regarding Afghanistan. If SCO support Taliban government and they control whole Afghanistan border, than Panjshir rebelion and ISIS terorist activities will be very short living without foreign support. They are both dependent on US support and I think after August 31st US will not be allowed to reach Afghanistan again. Panjshir rebels will have to reach peace agreement with Talibans and ISIS is foreign terrorist group without real support in Afghanistan. They have no future there.

    Very valid points. The US is dependent on overfly permission to reach Afghanistan, especially from Pakistan. If but more likely when that is withheld the US is checkmated, a huge area of SW Asia suddenly becomes for the first time, in the history of the USAF, a no fly zone. This will be a huge cultural shock for CENTCOM. Much of the justification for keeping a huge amount of assets in the ME has now gone.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:45 am

    US Marines officer relieved of duties after video seeking ‘accountability’ over Afghanistan
    Stuart Scheller condemned US senior leadership in social media post, criticising ‘perceived ineptitude’
    A US Marine Corps lieutenant colonel who posted a video demanding accountability from military leaders over the evacuation of Afghanistan has been relieved of his duties and will leave US service, the Marines and the officer involved said on Friday.

    Stuart Scheller posted his video to Facebook and LinkedIn on Thursday, the day 13 US service members, 11 of them Marines, and reportedly as many as 170 Afghans, were killed in a suicide bomb attack at the airport in Kabul.

    “I have been fighting for 17 years,” said Scheller, then commander of the advanced infantry training battalion. “I am willing to throw it all away to say to my senior leaders: ‘I demand accountability.’”

    Scheller said he knew someone killed in Kabul, but was making his video “because I have a growing discontent and contempt for … perceived ineptitude at the foreign policy level, and I want to specifically ask some questions to some of my senior leaders.”

    “This amalgamation of the economic-slash-corporate-slash-political-slash-higher military ranks are not holding up their end of the bargain.”

    The video went viral. Less than a day later, on Friday afternoon, Scheller said on Facebook he had been “relieved for cause based on a lack of trust and confidence as of 14.30 [2.30pm] today”.

    He would not comment further until he had left the Marine Corps, he said, adding: “My chain of command is doing exactly what I would do … if I were in their shoes.”


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    Post  par far Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:55 am

    medo wrote:https://tass.com/economy/1324919

    Iran now become full member of SCO Shanghai organization. Russia and China already have an agreement to coordinate together any move regarding Afghanistan. Now Iran is also a member of aliance, so all three will now coordinate their work. Pakistan is also under Chinese influence and Putin have telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Imran Khan regarding Afghanistan. If SCO support Taliban government and they control whole Afghanistan border, than Panjshir rebelion and ISIS terorist activities will be very short living without foreign support. They are both dependent on US support and I think after August 31st US will not be allowed to reach Afghanistan again. Panjshir rebels will have to reach peace agreement with Talibans and ISIS is foreign terrorist group without real support in Afghanistan. They have no future there.

    India bet on wrong horse and lost. Now they will have to go many times to Moscow and Beijing to repair their lost position in region. They should not trust US, but now it is, what it is.


    I think the SCO meeting is next month, that is when Iran is suppose to join the SCO.

    Just saw on RT, an interview with the Taliban spokesperson, he said, most of the "Panjshir rebels" have reached a peace settlement, their concerns were heard, they will not be harmed and they will be able to leave the valley peacefully. The remaining "rebels" will be given a timeline and they if they don't budge when the timeline is over, a military operation will be started.

    The deadline for NATO troops withdrawal is August 31, 2021, the Taliban spokesperson, said that most of NATO troops are out of Afghanistan and they will all be out on August 31, 2021.

    My personal opinion on India is that they are going in the wrong direction, they are planning privatizing almost everything, so they "boost the economy" , there were talks of about privatizing $80 billion. Highly unlikely they go to Beijing, that would be a major PR disaster and a face losing situation, they will be going to Moscow(they are already going to Moscow.)
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:39 am


    Opinion piece by the British.

    America's prayer? Not three more years of 'Sleepy' Joe Biden: Liberals thought Trump was a disgrace but have found their saviour to be a shambling, reckless danger to them and the world, writes TOM LEONARD


    A politician who came to power on a ticket of competence, empathy, foreign policy experience and simply not being Donald Trump has been found out.

    And some of his former supporters now think that even Trump might have made a better fist of America's catastrophic departure from Afghanistan.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9934253/Americas-prayer-Not-three-years-Sleepy-Joe-Biden-writes-TOM-LEONARD.html

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:07 am

    TalibThe Taliban has mobilized a special unit, called Al Isha, to hunt down Afghans who helped US and allied forces — and it’s using US equipment and data to do it.

    Nawazuddin Haqqani, one of the brigade commanders over the Al Isha unit, bragged in an interview with Zenger News that his unit is using US-made hand-held scanners to tap into a massive US-built biometric database and positively identify any person who helped the NATO allies or worked with Indian intelligence. Afghans who try to deny or minimize their role will find themselves contradicted by the detailed computer records that the US left behind in its frenzied withdrawal.an kill squad hunting down Afghans — using US biometric data

    The Al Isha unit has more than doubled in size, from 500 to nearly 1,100 over the past month, he told Zenger, and spread out into many of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces.

    Asked about reports that Pakistani intelligence officers were supervising the Al Isha unit’s use of biometric data to interrogate former U.S. allies, Nawazuddin Haqqani didn’t deny the Pakistan connection.

    “You are not that naive — you know the answer to that,” he said. “But what I can say is, it’s not necessary to train everyone in Pakistan. The Emirs [local Taliban chieftains] are quite capable of training the foot soldiers to handle the equipment.”

    This suggests Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI, has access to America’s biometric database. If Al Isha can identify Indian intelligence sources in Afghanistan, the Pakistanis will pursue them as well.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:12 am

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    Stuart Scheller posted his video to Facebook and LinkedIn on Thursday, the day 13 US service members, 11 of them Marines, and reportedly as many as 170 Afghans, were killed in a suicide bomb attack at the airport in Kabul.

    “I have been fighting for 17 years,” said Scheller, then commander of the advanced infantry training battalion. “I am willing to throw it all away to say to my senior leaders: ‘I demand accountability.’”



    And he is in the right.
    Biden literally sacrificed them to try so score some political points for himself back home.

    Sadly, i seen how these kind of things play out.
    he gets stripped of benefits and rank and thrown to the trash.
    he deserves better of course.

    But it is how NATO treat's any "dissent" to its incompetence.

    But in the end, its better to stand up and not accept this bullshit.
    Than swallow it, and in a few years sit in your barracks alone with an bottle of cheap whiskey. And put yourself an 9 millimetre trough your skull as you can no longer live with yourself or put a noose around your neck in some millitary warehouse and kick the chair.

    They all promote that the millitary is all about honour and your fellow troops.
    In the end, the high-ranking officers will cover themselves at the cost of their subordinates.
    And even worse, Politicians preach about how fallen troops sacrificed themselves for "freedom" while they in certain circumstances died because of their own personal political gains and incompetence.

    If you spend enough time in the millitary, there comes a point where you have to decide.
    You want to keep your carreer?.
    Or lose the ability to look at yourself in the mirror because of the absolute shame you betrayed the things you believed in?.

    i have been in these situations myself, and take my word for it. it really does not matter how much your try to drink it away when you get back home.
    When you wake up half-way between the toilet and your bed somewhere in the morning you are just as pissed off.

    Politicians and Generals get away with it.
    every, damn, time.
    There are no consequences for them.

    Moral of the story is: The government you work for, is simply not worth your service and life.
    as much as it may hurt. throw the uniform in their faces and tell them even if world war 3 breaks out. you are not there for them.
    Go start an life of freedom in the civilian life, find something you like to do.
    experience actual freedom and go make something of your life you are happy with.

    There is no point wasting your life being an political instrument of destruction for other people's carreers in Brussels,Pentagon, white house or your national government.

    I hope Scheller finds his new purpose in civilian life and find happiness.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:39 am

    I must say that I did wonder how one suicide belt could have had the power to inflict this huge level of casualties over such a wide area.


    The Never Ending Lies About The War On Afghanistan

    The U.S. military has lied for 20 years about the war in Afghanistan. Do not expect it to suddenly tell the truth.

    Thursday's suicide bombing in Kabul and the following panic killed more than 150 civilians (some 30 of whom were British-Afghan), 28 Taliban fighters and 13 U.S. troops.

    Before the attack happened a Taliban spokesperson had told RT that they had warned the U.S. of an imminent ISPK attack.

    Repeating Pentagon claims the New York Times describes the attack:

    At 5:48 p.m., the bomber, wearing a 25-pound explosive vest under clothing, walked up to the group of Americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited, officials said, until just before he was about to be searched by the American troops. And then he detonated the bomb, which was unusually large for a suicide vest, killing himself and igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead, including 13 American service members.

    If the suicide bomber was so close to the inner perimeter checkpoint manned by U.S. forces why were so many Taliban, who manned checkpoints at the outer perimeter, killed in the incident?

    The Times writes:

    Just after the bomb went off, Defense Department officials said, fighters nearby began firing weapons. The officials said that some of the Americans and Afghans at Abbey Gate might have been hit by that gunfire.

    What fighters nearby?

    The BBC correspondent in Kabul has asked people who where there:

    Secunder Kermani @SecKermani - 7:21 UTC · Aug 28, 2021

    Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..
    Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast
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    The correspondent talks to the brother a London taxi driver who was in Kabul to fetch his family:

    A: "Somehow I saw American soldiers, Turkish soldiers and the fire was coming from the bridges, from the towers."
    Q: "From the soldiers?"
    A: "Yeah, from the soldiers."

    (Side note: Some of the towers around the airport were reportedly manned by members of the CIA's Afghan death squads.)

    Another witness:

    Narrator: "Noor Mohamed had had been deployed alongside American forces."

    A man holding up an identity card of a friend talks about his death in English.

    A: "The guy has served U.S. army for years. And the reason he lost his life - he wasn't killed by Taliban, he wasn't killed by ISIS, he was (unintelligible)."
    Q: "How can you be sure?"
    A: "Because of the bullet. The bullet went inside of his head. Right here." (Points to the back of his head.) "He doesn't have any (other) injury."

    The Pentagon did not respond to the BBC's request for comments.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/the-never-ending-lies-about-the-war-on-afghanistan.html#comments

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:24 pm

    The so-called Western "experts" on Islam make many "mistakes" when mixing different groups that are even at odds.

    The core of the problem for western experts is that they have to keep up and keep track of all the flip flops of the west... all through the 1990s you were a good guy if you were on the side of the terrorists... sorry anti government taleban... the west didn't care who was in power as long as they were not friendly with Russia...

    Then over night that changed and if you didn't shift sides fast enough you were with the terrorists despite days before they were likely helping them too in minor ways.

    It was amusing in Iraq... they started jumping up and down about Al quada when Al quada was the main enemy and tried to say we need to invade Iraq because Saddam is in bed with Al Quada... of course that was a whole lot of bullshit... Saddam did more to defeat Al Quada in Iraq than the US ever did...

    Right now they are probably shifting the Taliban into the category... we can use, and ISIS to... enemy number one... but that is always negotiable regarding what they think they can do.

    The Israelis almost sank a US spy ship but avoided the bad guys books by sharing lots of intel on Soviet air defence systems that they had collected over the years.

    U.K.’s Johnson Criticizes Pullout’s Timing: Afghanistan Update
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    Who cares what that dickhead has to say... he is a moron and can say the most offensive and dumb things when his lips are not under proper control... which is any time he is using them.

    Taliban destroy statue of foe, stoking fear over their rule

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The Taliban have blown up the statue of a Shiite militia leader who fought against them during Afghanistan’s civil war in the 1990s, according to photos circulating on Wednesday, sowing further doubt about their claims to have become more moderate.

    And they were worried that western values would not stick... only in power for a few weeks and they are blowing up old statues... good on them for making such amazing progress.... Twisted Evil

    Taliban house-to-house searches ongoing, we’ve been told about a dozen ISIS K suspects have been rounded up

    With 13 American soldiers dead from that cowardly attack I can't see any western media outlet complaining that these people have rights and searches in peoples houses in the middle of the night are just unacceptable... whoops... wonder if they are going to water board them or send them to Guantanimo...

    "NATO intel picked up by a UN report attributes a maximum of 2,200 jihadis to ISIS-K, split into small cells. Significantly, the absolute majority are non-Afghans: Iraqis, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Chechens and Uighurs."

    And that is the amusing thing... lots of hard core US allies in that list... of course the Chechens will be diluted to be Russians... THE RUSSIANS DID THIS THE RUSSIANS DID THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    The big question now is how will SCO(more specifically Russia and China) respond to this?

    Russia is already fighting ISIS in Syria... despite US and HATO attempts to shield them... Russia does not need to do anything... they can hand over details they have of the Chechens involved, but it is not their problem.

    Perhaps if the west had accepted offers of partnership they could do more but they are under heavy US sanction... so why bother doing more.

    They are helping Syrians but why help Americans and British when they spit on Russia every chance they get.

    If Russia was to use satellite images, AEW&C Airplanes and drone strikes on the ISIS terrorists, would this help the situation?

    Sounds like they are broken up in small cells... it would take a bit to destroy them all... and the west is leaving and the Taliban are still largely an unknown.... it really is not in Russian interests to do too much... yet.

    If they get requests for assistance and orders for helicopters and equipment and weapons... obviously peace and stability in the region is important... as is destroying the poppy trade...

    Satellite images, AEW&C Airplanes and drones are useless against such groups.

    Drones and electronics aircraft are critical for locating these small cells and would be excellent but it would be slow work that gets harder over time as they realise you are picking them off one cell at a time and how you are probably doing it...

    Getting the cooperation of the locals would be critical of course, but not many Afghans have satellite phones and the ones that do have money and outside connections... a good hint that they are ISIS or Pakisani IS.

    Why is China totally useless in Afghanistan?

    No real experience at the job so to speak probably...

    They even condamned the bombing at the airport.

    Why wouldn't they... they lost more people than the west did.... despite the level of squealing suggesting the opposite.

    The Taliban have been to Moscow and other locations for talks with the foreign invaders... Russia has shown that it is not in Syria to steal their silverware or tell Assad what to do... I rather suspect the Taliban... and a lot more groups and countries in the region respect that.

    You need people on the ground with a huge intel network. Only talibans can do it.

    Drones and intelligence aircraft like Il-20s are very useful at intercepting and locating communications... probably not a lot of cell towers in Afghanistan... mostly sat phones...

    Yes, Wagner type operatives that now seem to be all over the place.

    Under every bed... saw it on CNN and the BBC so it must be true cause they show all sides of every story... Twisted Evil

    I would think its far too early for official Russian military to be in Afghanistan. But you never know. A Russian unit into Bagram airbase? Stranger things have happened.

    It is a war zone.... they will already be there.

    This might be a good experience for them, they don't need to send in big military groups, just small ones. I thought they would do that in Syria.

    China should have done that... all the flash toys mean nothing if you don't know how to use them. The Chinese government is very much non interventionist, but the US is going to take that as a weakness and start infringing on their interests soon enough... this is a chance to do some good, though in Afghanistan they wont have Iranian and Russian forces to observe and work with, which will make the lessons harder.

    If SCO support Taliban government and they control whole Afghanistan border, than Panjshir rebelion and ISIS terorist activities will be very short living without foreign support.

    Exactly... a group of young men can't survive long in the mountains without food and supplies and weapons and support, and if they steal from the locals then the locals are going to take every opportunity to shop them.

    If Afghanistans neighbours can work together and close its external borders and keep the taliban and afghan people supplied with food and materials of course but starve the insurgents then the insurgents have little chance.

    “I have been fighting for 17 years,” said Scheller, then commander of the advanced infantry training battalion. “I am willing to throw it all away to say to my senior leaders: ‘I demand accountability.’”

    Is he mad... you can't have a government department that is accountable for its actions... that leads to madness... or justice... or more sensible use of that government resource in the future... If I owned Facebook I would give that man a high paying job.

    He would not comment further until he had left the Marine Corps, he said, adding: “My chain of command is doing exactly what I would do … if I were in their shoes.”

    They are doing what I would do? That man has been spoken to by someone at a rather high level... whose job is probably not at risk with any of this...

    They are doing what he accused them of doing... cut off the offending limb and brush the blood and body parts under the carpet before they start to smell.

    And some of his former supporters now think that even Trump might have made a better fist of America's catastrophic departure from Afghanistan.

    Trump wanted Americans out... he probably would not have cared so much for the Afghans that helped the US over these last two decades, so there would have been people at the Airport, but most would likely have been left behind without a second thought.

    It would not have been clean and shiny, but it would have gotten done when the air power could still support the exit... when you pull your air power out first it is an invitation to the enemy to have a go...


    This suggests Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI, has access to America’s biometric database. If Al Isha can identify Indian intelligence sources in Afghanistan, the Pakistanis will pursue them as well.

    Part of the spoils of war.

    A better question of course is why the US was so hard core collecting everyones biometric data in that country... they collected it from everyone whether they were suspected of something or not.

    I seem to remember an RT article about this where biometric data was used to convict someone and then it was found the information was wrong... not as wonderful as it seems it seems...

    And he is in the right.
    Biden literally sacrificed them to try so score some political points for himself back home.

    I will say it again, when you withdraw your air power first then you are not going about it the right way.... even a civilian like me understands that.

    Sadly, i seen how these kind of things play out.
    he gets stripped of benefits and rank and thrown to the trash.
    he deserves better of course.

    The way he says he would do what is happening to him to himself in their position... sounds like he had a word to someone very very high up the food chain...

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:24 pm

    I didn't know this

    Dr. Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai Kayani (Drexy Baba)
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    For American followers. Go check State Dpt. list. #IEA was never declared a terror group. Not in 2001, not even during height of Afghan war. So even in the eye of US law Taliban are not terrorists

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:49 pm

    Taliban target spotting by the look of it.

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    Today US carried out a drone strike against an ISKP "planner" in Nangarhar. The drone took off from MidEast and struck the ISKP target while he was in a car with another ISKP associate. Both believed to be dead without civilian casualties. Strike approved by POTUS. #Afghanistan

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    Just in: U.S. military conducted an unmanned airstrike against ISIS planners in Afghanistan’s Nangahar Province, per Central Command.

    Strike comes 1 day after Biden vowed to strike ISIS plotters of Kabul airport suicide attack. “Initial indications are that we killed the target”

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    The #Taliban sources inform that 3 ppl killed in the house hit by a drone in Jalalabad, Nangarhar province, on the eastern borders w/ #Pakistan.

    It was Taliban who tipped the #US about the presence/arrest of #ISIS at #Kabul airport be4 the suicide attack.

    #US carried out a drone strike claiming "to have killed ISIS-Khorasan planner in eastern #Afghanistan." US also claim that this "planner was planning another attack". Unclear how US knew about this "planner" and identified him in less than 48 hours. No independent confirmation.

    By looking positively at these events, it is a good thing to know that finally, the #US military leaders have decided to hit #ISIS Khorasan, well established in #Afghanistan since 2015.

    The #US is also claiming that this #ISIS-K was under surveillance before the attack. Now, if he was under surveillance and known, why he was allowed to plan and carry out the attack? A failure in intelligence if, and a big IF, the information is correct?

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:08 pm

    Hassan I. Hassan
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    The new leader of ISIS, who succeeded Baghdadi almost exactly 2 years ago, hasn’t made a single public appearance or even an audio message yet.

    Expect that to change in the next 2 weeks or so.




    Meanwhile at the airport, the Turks are proving hard to get, probably demanding loads of cash, so Oman is now in the loop

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    #IEA forces on #Kabul airport this morning. #USA troops still present there also. Basically dual control #Afghanistan

    #USA troops allegedly destroyed radar system and other facilities on military part of air port before #IEA entered. Evacuations also stopped according to @kabulnewstv
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:19 pm

    More on the post suicide bomber slaughter. The first post is a BBC reporter.

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    Our report from last night on the awful ISIS attack outside Kabul airport as families still search Kabul's morgues for their loved ones..

    Many we spoke to, including eyewitnesses, said significant numbers of those killed were shot dead by US forces in the panic after the blast

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    Maybe that's why there was so many deaths. Panic shooting by soldiers who were already in fear from possible attack and later shocked when it happened. They opened fire on a crowd

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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:41 pm

    Massoud's militia announced the entry of Afghan commando units into its composition

    https://en.topwar.ru/186474-chtoby-bitsja-za-afganistan-opolchenie-masuda-objavilo-o-vhozhdenii-v-ego-sostav-podrazdelenij-afganskih-kommandos.html


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