Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8

Any new news about the SU57 ?

I suspect information about it is not going to be regularly released, in fact I think that information about new military equipment might become harder to come by in the west... now that we have identified ourselves as the enemy...

GarryB wrote:I suspect information about it is not going to be regularly released, in fact I think that information about new military equipment might become harder to come by in the west... now that we have identified ourselves as the enemy...

I suspect not

Just that more of the information released about Russian military equipment, in any language, will be intentional bullshit

Less of a priority to be worrying about generating PR and sales, and more of a priority to misinform and confuse people listening in

GarryB wrote:I suspect information about it is not going to be regularly released, in fact I think that information about new military equipment might become harder to come by in the west... now that we have identified ourselves as the enemy...

Actually, if my memory serves me correct, there is now a new law regarding about information that could be sensitive regarding military gear and not just simply releases, that can land people in jail for posting online.

10/19/2022
TASS

Surovikin: Su-57 fighter strikes targets on every sortie as part of a special operation


Multifunctional fighter of the fifth generation Su-57.
Image source: RIA Novosti Alexander Vilf

The commander of the joint group of troops in the SMO region added that during each sortie they hit air and ground targets

MOSCOW, 18 October. /TASS/. The Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 stands out in terms of the quality of combat use within the framework of a special operation, hitting air and ground targets during each sortie. Sergey Surovikin, commander of the united group of troops in the area of ​​the special operation, told reporters about this on Tuesday.

“In terms of the quality of combat use, I would especially like to single out the Su-57 fifth-generation multifunctional aircraft. Having a wide range of weapons, it solves multifaceted tasks of hitting air and ground targets in each sortie,” he said.

https://vpk.name/news/643226_surovikin_istrebitel_su-57_porazhaet_celi_pri_kazhdom_vylete_v_ramkah_specoperacii.html

Militarywatch magazine

Extreme Range Kill on Ukraine’s Top Fighter Was a Su-57, Not an Air Defence System - Reports

Following reports that a Ukrainian Air Force Su-27 fighter and accompanying Su-24 strike fighter were shot down by Russian forces following a strike on Russia’s Belgorod region, conflicting reports from a number of Russian and Indian news outlets have indicated that a Russian Su-57 fighter was responsible. These have contradicted earlier reports that an S-300V4 air defence system using a 40N6 or possibly a 48N6DM surface to air missile was responsible. The Su-27 shootdown, although far from the first over Ukrainian skies, was particularly notable due to the 217km range at which it was achieved - making it by far the longest ranged fighter shootdown on record. The previous record for a surface to air shutdown was held by Russian S-400 systems based in Belarus, which shot down a Su-27 over Kiev in March at approximately 150km. Should the Su-57 have been responsible, however, it would mark a major milestone in the program and make the Russian fighter the very first in the world from the fifth generation to achieve a kill against an enemy fighter.


Su-57 Launches Kh-59MK2 Cruise Missile in Combat

The Su-57 has been involved in operations over Ukraine since March, with aircraft confirmed to be carrying out strike and air defence suppression missions. This follows the previous deployment of Su-57s for combat testing and strike operations in Syria - although at the time the class was not operational in the Russian Air Force and advanced combat capable prototypes were used. The Russian Air Force currently fields an estimated six Su-57 fighters, although their advanced sensors including six AESA radars as well as highly potent electronic warfare systems has reportedly made them a valuable asset over Ukraine - particularly considering that no other Russian fighter class fields remotely comparable capabilities. The deployment of the aircraft for air to air combat, if confirmed, would reflect a much higher level of confidence in the fighter class - with its American fifth generation rival the F-35 being much more limited its their ability to contribute to complex air to air operations .


R-37M

As Ukrainian Su-27s were operating in Russian airspace, and were confirmed to be armed primarily with air to ground rocket pods, deploying Su-57s for interception could have been considered a low risk means of gaining an air to air kill for the new fighter class. The possibility that the Su-57s were accompanied by other more combat tested fighters such as Su-35s, in case the Ukrainian Air Force had any unexpected surprises or the new fighter failed, also remains significant. Although the Su-57’s primary air to air armament the R-77M missile has only a 200km engagement range, its oversized R-37M missile can engage targets up to 400km away - with this being the missile reportedly used to intercept the Ukrainian aircraft. Footage seemingly showing an R-37M over a Ukrainian city, taken by residents, provided some support to this claim. While other secretive long ranged air to air missiles with unknown designations have also reportedly been developed for the Su-57, none are thought to have a range sufficient to engage a manoeuvrable fighter like the Su-27 at over 200km.


Ukroshitstan AF Su-27

The fact that the Su-27 was involved in a hit and run attack on Russian territory, and was reportedly returning to base when shot down, makes reports of the Su-57’s involvement somewhat more credible since the target aircraft would not have posed a threat of retaliation and was likely struck from behind. The Su-27 has a maximum engagement range of 130km using R-27ER/ET air to air missiles, although the ability to use these against the Su-57 at respectable distances remains very limited. This is due to the ageing Soviet-built jet’s limited sensors and the new fighter’s advanced electronic warfare capabilities and stealth profile. Thus at 217km the risk to the Su-57 of engaging its target in air to air combat over Russian airspace would have been negligible, while the benefits for the fighter program remain significant not only for morale domestically but also for its export prospects and international reputation - both of which have been harmed by long delays in bringing the class into service. The Russian-Ukrainian War has presented multiple rare opportunities for Russian assets to gain kills and be tested in combat against relatively capable enemy fighters, with the S-400 and the Su-57’s predecessor the Su-35 both having gained their first air to air kills in March over Ukrainian skies. The Su-57 is not expected to be deployed similarly aggressively, but could see further defensive air to air operations within Russian airspace.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/extreme-range-su57-su-27-kill-reports

The Sukhoi Design Bureau, as part of the UAC, is working to improve the Su-57. On October 21, the first flight of the upgraded fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft took place at the airfield of the Gromov LII. The plane was piloted by a test pilot of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Hero of the Russian Federation, Sergey Bogdan. The flight lasted 56 minutes and passed without any comments.

The aircraft is testing a set of on-board equipment with advanced functionality, intelligent crew support and the ability to use a wide range of new types of weapons. It is also possible to install a second-stage engine on the aircraft.

@uac_ru

UAC just released the test flight video.

Upgraded Su-57 and Sukhoi Design Bureau test pilot Sergey Bogdan. Many were interested in what kind of sign is depicted on the tail of a fighter.
We explain: many test boards have stylized signs symbolically reflecting the main directions of modernization.

https://t.me/uac_ru/799

Looks like a modern version of Sukhois winged Archer logo.

It looks to me as first stage engines are used. I expected this plane to have 2nd stage engine.

It looks like plain old T-50-11. Maybe they switched the innards?

lancelot wrote:It looks like plain old T-50-11. Maybe they switched the innards?

Yes. Maybe they're testing sensors only.

zepia wrote:UAC just released the test flight video.

Great, thanks!

We can speculate as much as we want, but only they know what they re testing and how. The fact they are using an old prototype indicates there are many components and aspects to test and we will never get to figure out the complexity of it.

By now, what indeed seems to be new is the electro-optical aperture at the side of the cockpit, it is bigger than before and may have more sensors on it. Don't know if it is testing equipment or part of the new EO suite of the plane, but that is indeed new

Edit: there are also some small rectangular arrays or panels at the side of the nose and apparently at the tail.

Note the pilots 'informal' outfit. No G suit so just a simple flight envelope.

I'm so excited to see the izd 30 in the wild. Will be nearly as big as the su75 reveal for me.

02.11.2022
InoSMI

Did the long-awaited Su-57M fly
?


Photo; RIA Novosti

What is behind the news about the trials of an improved version

MWM: Su-57 will receive Saturn-30 engines with next-generation capabilities

Recently, a modernized Su-57 made its first flight, writes MWM. It is assumed that it is possible to install a second stage engine on a fighter. And the new Saturn-30 engine will provide it with unsurpassed flight performance as early as 2025.

Confirmations have been received that an improved version of the new generation Russian fighter Su-57 made its first flight on October 21. A few days later, the state-owned United Aircraft Corporation announced this. Little is known about the new variant, except that it took off from the Gromov airfield at Zhukovsky, piloted by Sukhoi test pilot Sergei Bogdan, and that the aircraft has the option of installing a second-stage engine.
Although Russian sources have previously reported that the Su-57 will receive next-generation Saturn-30 engines as early as 2022 (already already with a significant delay, since the launch was originally scheduled for the 2010s), now this moment expected no earlier than 2025. In the same 2025, an improved modification of the Su-57M will enter service, and the Saturn-30 will become the key difference between the M variant and the basic one, which is already in service today. This suggests that the first Su-57M could well take off.

Although it was originally expected to launch production in 2015, a decade before the now assumed date, the Saturn 30 did not first take to the air until December 2017. Official statements make it the most powerful fighter jet engine in the world. While it is expected to more than outperform the American F-22 F119 engines, which existing Russian engines like the AL-41F1 have already come close to, it is not yet clear whether the Saturn-30 will be able to offer similar performance to the latest F135 found in American F-35s, or WS-15s, which are currently being flight tested on a Chinese J-20 stealth fighter.
The declared characteristics of the new Russian engine are similar to the Soviet AL-41F, which in the 1990s reached the stage of an improved prototype, but was discontinued. After that, a number of analysts concluded that Russia has achieved very modest success in developing its own engines, since the current power plants largely inherit the technologies of the Soviet era, when the USSR had a significant advantage.

Nevertheless, the Saturn-30 is expected to provide the Su-57 with unsurpassed flight performance (including the ability to cruise at speeds above Mach 2 without the use of afterburners), as well as reduce maintenance requirements and operating costs and increase survivability. aircraft and its range.

To date, the Russian Air Force has only six Su-57s, although the Russian-Ukrainian conflict has provided a range of opportunities to test the aircraft in combat against a major state adversary — which the larger U.S. and Chinese stealth fighter programs did not have. In particular, the Su-57 tested sensors and anti-aircraft suppression capabilities and successfully completed a number of combat missions. In addition, there is at least one unconfirmed case of air combat at extreme distances against an obsolete Su-27 of the Ukrainian Air Force still of Soviet production.
And thanks to the strike operations repeatedly confirmed by official sources, the Su-57 became the only one in the generation that performed such tasks.

At the same time, it is emphasized that its American counterpart, the F-22, is in principle deprived of the possibility of over-the-horizon combat. The Su-57 fleet is expected to cross the 50 mark in 2026 and reach 76 by the end of 2027, while investment in expanding production and the prospect of foreign orders, in particular from Algeria, are widely discussed.

For all its formidable power, the Su-57 lacks a number of key J-20 and F-35 technologies, and commissioning in significant numbers only in the mid-2020s will put Russia in a position to catch up compared to industry leaders China and the United States. However, Russia is confidently ahead of the rest of the world, and the closest rival in the development of a local fifth-generation fighter is South Korea with its KF-21 program.

With China and the United States expected to introduce their first sixth generation fighters around 2030, there is reason to believe that Russia will invest heavily to turn the Su-57 into a "5++ generation" fighter with sixth generation technology - just as it uses the 4++ generation Su-35 to counter the F-22 and F-35. The development of the Su-57M will be a key step towards this goal, and by the early 2030s, the Su-57M2 and other successors are expected to appear, up to the heavily redesigned Su-60.

https://vpk.name/news/648803_poletel_li_dolgozhdannyi_su-57m_chto_stoit_za_novostyami_ob_ispytaniyah_uluchshennogo_varianta.html

For all its formidable power, the Su-57 lacks a number of key J-20 and F-35 technologies, and commissioning in significant numbers only in the mid-2020s will put Russia in a position to catch up

Lacks the enormous profiteering of the F-35, and it is severely hampered by the fact that it actually works against some of the systems it was designed to work against and their Soviet equivalents, whereas the F-35s makers prefer to run away from such things... Turkey can't have F-35s and S-400s, and Israeli F-35s rely on agreements with Russia to survive mainly by using standoff weapons from outside Syrian airspace...

J-20 might be amazing or it might be crap or most likely a mix of good and very good... but that is a serious unknown .

Either way such things are irrelevant to the Su-57 programme so why are they bringing them up?

The Su-57 with S-70 and Su-35s operating within their IADS are formidable... and the only western attempted 5th gen is the F-22 which seems dead... they have actually started retiring some because they are too expensive to operate and still have problems.

They print their own money... why would they not want the best... no matter the cost... except if it is not the best by a long shot.

With China and the United States expected to introduce their first sixth generation fighters around 2030, there is reason to believe that Russia will invest heavily to turn the Su-57 into a "5++ generation" fighter with sixth generation technology

Russia should not panic until the US actually manages to get a 5th gen fighter right... we are still waiting despite trillions of dollars being spend on the F-22 and F-35...

We really don't know anything about the Chinese F-35, but knowing the Chinese they would have invested the time and effort and money to get it working properly at least without any bullshit profiteering that the US MIC is corrupted by.

dont like this article for 3 reasons. 1.literally shitting on the 2nd stage engine performances of can it match the F-135 is pretty insulting. F-22 and Su-35 have low and high bypass ratio engines so its insulting again to say the F-22 engine is superior if one offers more speed while the tradeoff for the Su-35 is for more range at a lower speed. 3. What Su-57M2? was that announced anywhere else with the Su-60? Even if I pretend this is true this sounds like it will further delay a 6th gen project as I believe the Tu-160 modifications of m1 and m2 further delay the PAKDA project.

I hope this news source is more of a blog of some bozos opinion than it is an article from state media.

Looks fake but I post it. 

thegopnik wrote:dont like this article for 3 reasons. 1.literally shitting on the 2nd stage engine performances of can it match the F-135 is pretty insulting. F-22 and Su-35 have low and high bypass ratio engines so its insulting again to say the F-22 engine is superior if one offers more speed while the tradeoff for the Su-35 is for more range at a lower speed. 3. What Su-57M2? was that announced anywhere else with the Su-60? Even if I pretend this is true this sounds like it will further delay a 6th gen project as I believe the Tu-160 modifications of m1 and m2 further delay the PAKDA project.

I hope this news source is more of a blog of some bozos opinion than it is an article from state media.

Yeah. Its garbage. Looks like all the salt in the english media about it is rubbing off on the Russian media too. Pathetic.

Other garbage thing aboutnthe article is it says it is missing things the F-35 and J-20 have.

Such as?

I guarantee there is more on the Su-57 that neither of those two junk jets have - L band AESA.

Why doesnt the the alleged Su-57M have sawtooth nacelles?

Because the izd30 isnt being equipped yet and we already have been told it will start around 2025. They wont just stick sawtooth nozzles on old engines like the chinese. The new nozzles have a ton of new abilities beyond just their shape. Also the Chinese didnt start ws15 testing till this year. Russia started in 2017. The Chinese are indeed catching up and the ws15 should be formidable but I believe the izd30 will be superior and I think Russia is now quietly speeding up China's engine technologies to closely match theirs. Btw I'm not bashing the chinese in any way I just think western rags are kinda stupid and unaware. Anyways with izd30 we are talking over 25000 pounds of thrust dry and up to 38000 pounds in reheat. All new tech. Major IR reduction. The thing will be a beast. Also on a side note the number 11 prototype with new tech added had some interesting features.




Note the four new sensors where there once was one. I'm guessing not just UV but IR sensing as well as ability for the helmet mounted display to truly have virtual outside view like in the F-35. Got these images from paralay. Btw wtf is wrong over there? I'd say over half the posts are doomers or even open subverters constantly talking crap about their own airforces kit. Annoying and tedious af.

So Su-57M upgrades are just sensors and avionics. Still important. Lets hope it can use R-77Ms

Oh no the izd 30 is kinda the crowning glory on the su-57m and will represent it's true form.