dino00 wrote:Bob Bollusc wrote:They say they will deliver 4 Su-57 this month?
Yes
They got about 2 weeks to make their promise. Gonna be hard because of covid. But they might pull it off yet.
dino00 wrote:Bob Bollusc wrote:They say they will deliver 4 Su-57 this month?
Yes
They got about 2 weeks to make their promise.
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Autodestruct wrote:They got about 2 weeks to make their promise.
It really makes no difference from a practical standpoint whether they deliver two weeks before the year's end or two weeks after. It won't affect the type's introduction at all.
Atmosphere wrote:Sounds a bit sketchy, earlier, designers said that they did not like the flat nozzle as the thrust loss and weight gain was unacceptable.
I'm sure it'll have serrated nozzles. Even the US has abandonned flat nozzles on high performance fighters.
For okhtnik, it's different, it's not a dogfighter or interceptor, if speed is good enough, it's acceptable to have a flat nozzle.
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Bob Bollusc wrote:
They have 1 serial production plane. I think they need 17 more to make the first squadron.
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Mir wrote:Bob Bollusc wrote:
They have 1 serial production plane. I think they need 17 more to make the first squadron.
I think Russian fighter squadrons are still 12 aircraft strong?
LMFS wrote:Atmosphere wrote:Sounds a bit sketchy, earlier, designers said that they did not like the flat nozzle as the thrust loss and weight gain was unacceptable.
I'm sure it'll have serrated nozzles. Even the US has abandonned flat nozzles on high performance fighters.
For okhtnik, it's different, it's not a dogfighter or interceptor, if speed is good enough, it's acceptable to have a flat nozzle.
There are apparently hybrid designs proposed for the Su-57 development roadmap:
LMFS wrote:Atmosphere wrote:Sounds a bit sketchy, earlier, designers said that they did not like the flat nozzle as the thrust loss and weight gain was unacceptable.
I'm sure it'll have serrated nozzles. Even the US has abandonned flat nozzles on high performance fighters.
For okhtnik, it's different, it's not a dogfighter or interceptor, if speed is good enough, it's acceptable to have a flat nozzle.
There are apparently hybrid designs proposed for the Su-57 development roadmap:
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I might be wrong but they are cutting f-22 in desperation to fast track NGAD and they are NOT the supposed ground breakers they were in the late 80s to late 90s.
TMA1 wrote:They were not joking about second stage. Lol... NGAD isnt about chicoms. It's the su-57 that spooks them. Remember hearing about ngad's cutting edge concept of constant multistage evolutions? Russia has been doing this all along! Now I am beginning to see why the su-35 to the su-57. The tu-160 to pak da. The hidden checkmate. The only major step they missed was drones and that isnt even the case as the company making new drones has been fast tracked since 2011 I think and they have diversified heavily into jet powered drones and land as well as sea drones.
I might be wrong but they are cutting f-22 in desperation to fast track NGAD and they are NOT the supposed ground breakers they were in the late 80s to late 90s.
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Bob Bollusc wrote:lancelot wrote:China's WS-10 is doing now in 2021 what the AL-31F engine did in the 1980s.
I suspect talk it is more reliable than Saturn's engines is bunk. They are likely comparing the original AL-31F with the WS-10.
Russia has a program to re-engine all its aircraft with an AL-41F-1S derivative.
China's latest generation engine is the WS-15 but that is not available yet.
WS-10 has much better electronics. State of the art compared to AL-31. Thrust power is also higher. Also, the ones used in J-20 have jagged RCS reducing nozzles. WS-10 compared to AL-31 is like J-16 compared to Su-30SM. The tech is much more modern.
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LMFS wrote:
...so they implicitly admit the F-22 is already not up to the task vs the Su-57. Even more seriously, this happens after just half of the normal life of a platform (50 years), while the predecessor is still being used and actually bought 10 years after the line of the F-22 was stopped.
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Autodestruct wrote:It's not that it is so much not up to the task of air supremacy but rather that there is no cost-effective way to upgrade it for future war scenarios.
It's a great irony that stealth - the very attribute that made it so ahead of its time - is also bringing about its early retirement. Unlike later stealth fighter designs, the F-22 wasn't designed with all the apertures built into its fuselage to host IR detectors and such. And you can't upgrade its sensory capabilities with external pods because that defeats the purpose of a stealth fighter. And, although you can retrofit new sensors into the aircraft's body, you would have to perform some very expensive testing (likely involving an iterative design) to show that you haven't compromised its RCS. That would be very expensive on a per unit basis because the production numbers are low. The low production numbers also makes the per unit maintenance and logistics costs high relative to say a F-15, and much higher because of stealth. The US is a country nearly $30 trillion in debt. Washington can pretend that don't matter all they want, but it will matter.
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