Russian special military operation in Ukraine

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Interestingly enough if Russia does capture Ukraine that means it gains the Mykolaiv shipyard, I wonder if they will modernize that shipyard. It does have huge docks and decent facilities for building ships.

They didn't seem to target infrastructure around that area.

caveat emptor wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Interestingly enough if Russia does capture Ukraine that means it gains the Mykolaiv shipyard, I wonder if they will modernize that shipyard. It does have huge docks and decent facilities for building ships.

They didn't seem to target infrastructure around that area.

Nikolaev shipyard is dead and ruined.

Karl Haushofer wrote:The more I have watched things unfold today the more I see this as a big miscalculation from Russia’s part. Even if Russia defeats Ukraine militarily Russia will be left with a burden of either occupying Ukraine or abandoning Ukraine and watch Ukraine enter the NATO.

The first big mistake was done by Soviet leaders who separated Ukraine from Russia to create this new nation.

The second big mistake was done in the 1990s and 2000s when the West entered Ukraine with their NGO’s while Russia did not do a thing to fight for its own interests in the country (well, except pouring billions of dollars to Ukrainian state coffins annually without getting anything in return).

Ukraine was lost to Russia because of Russia’s own mistakes and apathy.

Now it is too late. This invasion will just make Ukrainians hate Russians even more passionately. Russia can never win back Ukraine again.

And this unifies the West against Russia. Countries like Germany and France will now be camped tighter with the British and Americans.

People in Washington are celebrating now. Russia – even if it scores a big military victory against Ukraine – lost the big war. The war that matters.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

Ispan wrote:I had not thought that these initial small attacks are a recon in force. Just seemed to me that the Novorussians and the Russian army are going at it slow and methodical to minimize casualties.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The more I have watched things unfold today the more I see this as a big miscalculation from Russia’s part. Even if Russia defeats Ukraine militarily Russia will be left with a burden of either occupying Ukraine or abandoning Ukraine and watch Ukraine enter the NATO.

The first big mistake was done by Soviet leaders who separated Ukraine from Russia to create this new nation.

The second big mistake was done in the 1990s and 2000s when the West entered Ukraine with their NGO’s while Russia did not do a thing to fight for its own interests in the country (well, except pouring billions of dollars to Ukrainian state coffins annually without getting anything in return).

Ukraine was lost to Russia because of Russia’s own mistakes and apathy.

Now it is too late. This invasion will just make Ukrainians hate Russians even more passionately. Russia can never win back Ukraine again.

And this unifies the West against Russia. Countries like Germany and France will now be camped tighter with the British and Americans.

People in Washington are celebrating now. Russia – even if it scores a big military victory against Ukraine – lost the big war. The war that matters.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

You never know how things can develop, 

I dont think Russia cares much about EU , or the US at this point, that ship sailed , China is much better partner than EU and is with Russia on this

As far as Ukraine, if they can achieve to replace Zelensky with Medvedchuk or some apparatus similar,  then it will be a success

Russia normalized Hungary and Czechoslovakia,  we are watching normalization of Ukraine 

If radical elements are removed, then Ukraine will return to at least a neutral state, that's the minimum this intervention seeks

LMFS wrote:

Ispan wrote:I had not thought that these initial small attacks are a recon in force. Just seemed to me that the Novorussians and the Russian army are going at it slow and methodical to minimize casualties.

Hey, they have taken an airport in Kiev already, IMHO they are going in fast for the jugular in order to finish off the regime and prevent loss of life and infrastructure. It is fucking risky to send VDV to such a spot and surely there is a good reason for that.

Isos wrote:They will get the last unfinished Slava class... A clean up and modernization to give people work there would be worth it.

Regular wrote:

Also, plenty of videos of Ukrainians whining to Russian soldiers. They don't seem that they want to be freed.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496851057888182279

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The more I have watched things unfold today the more I see this as a big miscalculation from Russia’s part. Even if Russia defeats Ukraine militarily Russia will be left with a burden of either occupying Ukraine or abandoning Ukraine and watch Ukraine enter the NATO.

The first big mistake was done by Soviet leaders who separated Ukraine from Russia to create this new nation.

The second big mistake was done in the 1990s and 2000s when the West entered Ukraine with their NGO’s while Russia did not do a thing to fight for its own interests in the country (well, except pouring billions of dollars to Ukrainian state coffins annually without getting anything in return).

Ukraine was lost to Russia because of Russia’s own mistakes and apathy.

Now it is too late. This invasion will just make Ukrainians hate Russians even more passionately. Russia can never win back Ukraine again.

And this unifies the West against Russia. Countries like Germany and France will now be camped tighter with the British and Americans.

People in Washington are celebrating now. Russia – even if it scores a big military victory against Ukraine – lost the big war. The war that matters.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

You never know how things can develop, 

I dont think Russia cares much about EU , or the US at this point, that ship sailed , China is much better partner than EU and is with Russia on this

As far as Ukraine, if they can achieve to replace Zelensky with Medvedchuk or some apparatus similar,  then it will be a success

Russia normalized Hungary and Czechoslovakia,  we are watching normalization of Ukraine 

If radical elements are removed, then Ukraine will return to at least a neutral state, that's the minimum this intervention seeks

But how can Russia expect a Russia-friendly leader to stay in power in Ukraine without actually occupying Ukraine?

bitcointrader70 wrote:Thought Russia destroyed most of the airforce. This just shows how important investing in SEAD/DEAD is for Russia. Needs to focus on airforce more and create more PGM for these situations and ARM. There shouldn’t be any Ukrainian planes or choppers flying at this point honestly. But Russia has very little experience with sead.  This is their first real war where they go up against half decent air defensive.

Now obviously most of these Ukrainian planes are flying blind with probably zero direction from ground based radar.

Isos wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Interestingly enough if Russia does capture Ukraine that means it gains the Mykolaiv shipyard, I wonder if they will modernize that shipyard. It does have huge docks and decent facilities for building ships.

They didn't seem to target infrastructure around that area.

Nikolaev shipyard is dead and ruined.

They will get the last unfinished Slava class... A clean up and modernization to give people work there would be worth it.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The more I have watched things unfold today the more I see this as a big miscalculation from Russia’s part. Even if Russia defeats Ukraine militarily Russia will be left with a burden of either occupying Ukraine or abandoning Ukraine and watch Ukraine enter the NATO.

The first big mistake was done by Soviet leaders who separated Ukraine from Russia to create this new nation.

The second big mistake was done in the 1990s and 2000s when the West entered Ukraine with their NGO’s while Russia did not do a thing to fight for its own interests in the country (well, except pouring billions of dollars to Ukrainian state coffins annually without getting anything in return).

Ukraine was lost to Russia because of Russia’s own mistakes and apathy.

Now it is too late. This invasion will just make Ukrainians hate Russians even more passionately. Russia can never win back Ukraine again.

And this unifies the West against Russia. Countries like Germany and France will now be camped tighter with the British and Americans.

People in Washington are celebrating now. Russia – even if it scores a big military victory against Ukraine – lost the big war. The war that matters.

Prove me wrong, if you can.

You never know how things can develop, 

I dont think Russia cares much about EU , or the US at this point, that ship sailed , China is much better partner than EU and is with Russia on this

As far as Ukraine, if they can achieve to replace Zelensky with Medvedchuk or some apparatus similar,  then it will be a success

Russia normalized Hungary and Czechoslovakia,  we are watching normalization of Ukraine 

If radical elements are removed, then Ukraine will return to at least a neutral state, that's the minimum this intervention seeks

But how can Russia expect a Russia-friendly leader to stay in power in Ukraine without actually occupying Ukraine?

Occupation today is not like 20th century, you dont need 100,000 men occupying Kiev

Simply 2000 men and airbase like Latakia, Like Abkhazia will do to give legitimacy to the new regime, as well as FSB cleaning out the SBU and removing CIA from the country 

That enough will place Ukraine on a new path

Isos wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Interestingly enough if Russia does capture Ukraine that means it gains the Mykolaiv shipyard, I wonder if they will modernize that shipyard. It does have huge docks and decent facilities for building ships.

They didn't seem to target infrastructure around that area.

Nikolaev shipyard is dead and ruined.

They will get the last unfinished Slava class... A clean up and modernization to give people work there would be worth it.

Vann7 wrote:

Regular wrote:

Also, plenty of videos of Ukrainians whining to Russian soldiers. They don't seem that they want to be freed.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496851057888182279

that's not surprising at all , when you have the kiev regime ,controlling all media ,radio and television
and banning any media that speak positively about russia. Then is natural brainwashed civilians will
not like russia if they told , russia is to blame for the 30 years of poverty of ukraine and for every death of ever citizen since their independence in 1991.