flamming_python wrote:Anyway, I really hope there is an agreement in the coming days. Russia I think is not right in pushing the Ukrainians to recognize the DNR/LNR and Crimea at the same time while insisting on demilitarization and true neutrality.
It should surely be one or the other. They have a right to claim what is de-jure their territory and this doesn't have a relation to the regime, it's the sovereign right of any state. If they give up those claims though then I don't see why them having a military would be a threat to Russia.
I don't expect you to read or answer this like you haven't done in the past, but what exactly is the problem here with the solution of secession of provinces that have been subject of civial war and genocide by literal Nazis and their jewish backers?
Is it legality like you mentioned before?
A threat is a threat not just to Russia but to the entire European continent and even to the world. Just for the sake of argument let us assume they get a nuke like they said they would acquire, with people in charge like Zelenksij. A jew but contrary to most jews a very naive and right out stupid one, who has Nazis as bulldogs in his country and a zombified population that believes dangerous things.
He could use the nuke on Russia or just food for thought on a NATO country or the Ukraine to invoke western reaction. They have the mines and infrastructure to actually do this along with the necessary scientists.
I know to you it is not plausible, but you can be wrong just like any other person here.
flamming_python wrote:
Because whatever you may think of the Ukrainian regime, our one is not better, and the whole character of this war is basically Putin forcing the Ukrainian population and Ukrainian military to pay with their lives for basically his own mistakes and oversights.
And the possibility of a rapid capitulation of the Ukrainian military is far from guaranteed if the war goes on, we could see more vicious urban fighting.
Just like other users on this forum before me, some have good enough memory to remember, that one of those people that have called Putin to weak and reactionary was in fact you!
Yes, Putin did mistakes and is certainly not above any critics, but the shit is not reversible and waiting longer even to stop the shit that is going on will result in more deaths and a slimmer chance of Russia getting its ass out of the trouble that the West is causing. I don't see the Ukraine even as a legitimate government, it literally has shown to the world and its citizens that it is incapable of existence on its own.
One thing must be admitted even by you, regardless of the feelings of Orcs or zombified Russians who believe to be their own ethnicity, it is the fact, that all citizens of Ukraine would be not only safer but also would have more financial and social freedoms for everyone being part of Russia. The other fact is, that Russia would be a lot stronger and would cast this power projection to the world just by this historical event of Ukraine becoming part of Russia.
The issue that you are talking about is a broken ego of some nationalists, which are the minority in the Ukraine. The vast majority are not only russian speakers but pro russians. They will swollow their broken egos or take up arms to show us who's side they will take. No sympathy with traitors or Nazis from me.
flamming_python wrote:When we have an imperialist in power who talks about breaking up other states, then yes our regime is no better
And I'm not saying that's what Putin will do. But I don't know what he will do
If it really is just a mission to clean out the Nazis from the Ukraine and de-zombify its population, and then afterwards reattaching the Donbass to it and basically reconstituting it as a normal, sane country - then yes I can back it, if only by the virtue that this crazy, bloody operation has already started anyway.
To you Putin is now an Imperialist? Maybe I am far to long out of school but to me an Imperialist is someone who is acting on his desire to expand its territory. If that was the case Russia by sheer power could roll over eastern European countries and annex one after another and NATO wouldn't be able to do jack shit about it. A few tactical nukes against concentrated formations, but Russia could pull it off. It did not annex anything so far and I won't be lucky to see that happening. It will be all by referendum or military joint alliance slowly melting together to one Russia.
Operation Anti-naZi is not imperialistic by any means, despite many peoples wishes to devour lost influence, territory or our very own fellow russians that were zombified to believe they are not russians. I wish he were just slightly imperalistic, but he is not. You can not expect the Ukraine will just magically abandon Nazi-Senpai feelings just after Russia destroyed their military and killed the sons of Bandera. If Russia leaves this will be dozen times worse than sitting and doing nothing. Peoples mind's are actively corrupted by self-destructive hatred against Russia and Russians.
They indoctrinate little children and youth to become Nazis, which you yourself have posted a Video about, that the youth is running around with Nazi tattoos. The jews and Nazis are raising the next generation that will run the country with this poison. Russia is morally obligated to act and free us russian-slavic people from the divisive tactics that have been breaking us up since over a century now!
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But I don't know what the plans are and that scares me.
Do you know what scares me? The uncertainty and silence of who will follow after Putin. The man who has single handedely brought Russia from its knees up and is the initiator for the fall of an actual Empire, the United States! That is scary to me. I do not know who will follow or if there is some within Romanov style killing spree of Putin's administrative figure heads. That shit frightens me to the bones!
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Someone talked about Russian lands. It was 'Russian' land back when the word 'Russian' meant the whole people of Rus' - i.e. Great Russians, Little Russians and White Russians.
Today we know those three peoples as Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians respectively. They all have their own states based on their own native territories. I'd certainly give you that the Novorussian lands are somewhat their own thing. These were all colonized by the Russian Empire from nomadic Turkic tribes, Crimean Tatars, the Ottomans and so on. But they were colonized mostly with ethnic Ukrainians, and in an alliance with Ukrainian Cossacks who did a lot of the fighting. Ethnic Russians and other minorities mostly dominated in the cities, which were all built by the Russian Empire.
"Russian" did not mean the whole people of "Rus'" by the definition as the word today "Россиян" (russian citizen). Russian is the slavic group which we all are part of. Nationality is certainly not reflective of their ethnicity. Let us not rewrite genetics or Russian history. There is no such a thing as an ethnic Russian,Ukrainian or Belorussian. I would recommend watching Mikhail Zadornov's historical lesson on people of Rus' and why the Ukraine exists today. Ukrainians were called those russian people that lived directly close at the border to the "Zapad" (West). The name Ukraine is made of two words "U" means "at" and "Krain" means "border", this is literally a descriptive language of people who are located at a specific and definable location like Moskvich or New Yorker. This word Ukrainian was firstly mentioned over 300 years ago and there was nothing alike as an ethnic understanding as Ukrainian.
flamming_python wrote:
The Ukraine uses Nazis as the Russian Empire used Cossacks
If you want to make unfair comparisons and limit the "usefulness" to guarding/executing orders for the leaders, sure, but the issue is that the Cossacks were not used as a blant force for "ethnic" cleanse, genocide or indoctrination of the next Generation as part of "Cossacks above all" or Lebensraum-Erweiterung ideology.
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It's not fair to call it a Nazi state per say. Just an anti-Russian nationalist one.
Yes, you are technically correct. The Ukraine is not fascist per say, it is a jewish oligarchic Xeno-Imperium with neo-fascistic forces. I
flamming_python wrote:
But you can argue that a lot of this nationalism has been cemented by Russia presenting itself as a threat to the Ukraine by annexing its territory.
Wait, annexing Ukrainian territoriy? I am now confused, weren't you arguing before about legality of operation Z and bitching about it not being legal enough? So now Crimean referendum is not legal in your eyes either? The good thing is, it is legal despite all the bitch-fest of the West and anyone who reads the UN-Charta knows this. If this is an annexation, then by here, I myself will pay a big share of a bronze-statue of Putin the Great. May his ability to annex without bloodshed and on top of that being welcomed as a liberator be wittnessed by every Russian who lives or ever will live!!!
Damn that man is certainly history-wise a figure that will live on for 1000 years in peoples minds!
flamming_python wrote:
The thing is our regime is also nationalist Putin openly hinted about dismembering the Ukraine in his pre-operation speech. Who gives him that right? We also have our own Islamist colony in Chechnya which is employed in warfare.
Our regime? Maybe you should remember who your audience is! This western magical trigger words don't work on normal people who haven't drunk the kool-aid of western values! The plans about the Ukraine are uncertain to anyone here and certainly to the West, which is a good thing, however most people will be either totally happy or we get an outcome that will be highly unfavorable to Russia and Russians, your ass included!
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It's time to end the war. Really. Then heads can cool and we can discuss a lasting solution with the Ukrainians, whatever regime they have.
Despite many people on this forum calling you communistic and calling you names I had a hard time to categorizing you because of your shizophrenic-like attitude and apparent knowledge about the whole situation jumping to defeatism mode, but now you strike me as number #81 of 120 subjects lined up with hands cuffed behind their backs and surrounded by a few armed guards. All lined up to the chopping block where the first 30 guys are standing in a sea of blood and are all shell shocked by the scene before them. Heads of their brothers lying around and blood spilling out of their dead bodies and the next one is kneeling with his head on the block praying and full of fear with wide open eyes looking to the others in line.
The 39 men behind you are trying to discuss how to jump on the guards to disarm them and break free and you are the only idiot in line trying to talk everyone out of it, because if we wait for a bit longer and your turn is up, you can speak to the executioner and he will let us go!
The fire-alarm has rung for 20 minutes and you are lying in bed crying about 5 more minutes of sleep.
Wake up!
For some users on this Forum that do not see the possibility of nuclear exchange I might want to repeat what I said before.
The possibilities of limited tactical nuclear implementations against certain military infrastructure or ABM shields and US tactical nuclear locations is a plan that was and is known to both sides. Conventional delivery methods with airborne launched low kT-yielding cruise missiles or short range IRBM launched missiles are not just viable possibility but also hard to detect and even when detected will be delivered to locations that are not own soil of any nuclear power - meaning Romania, Germany, Czechia and Poland are subject to this kind of decapitation methods.
This will certainly not invoke a full scale WW3 Nuclear Armageddon but used for escalation or descalation as crazy it might sounds. But if a mofo is launching at your lousy polish ass tactical nukes wiping out entire landscapes from just a 3kT nukes are you really going to listen to US for further provocations against Russia who has SS-18 Satans with 10-20 MT warheads?
The West has similiar tactics and for the West the red line is not fucking Poland, Romania the three stooges or fucking Ukraine it is Germany. They have trained with the german Bundeswehr - Luftwaffe to use american tactical nukes launched from german Tornado jets as well F-18s against german cities if Russian forces dare to attack NATO forces on german soil.
What we will see in the near future are a few scenarios with a rapid de-escalation tactic which will involve nukes either launched (unlikely) or nukes deployed to Cuba. The result will be, US nukes will be going home and Poland will be making "elections" to leave NATO. The NATO membership will over the next couple of years go back to 1997 or 2004.
If you believe Putin or Russia is to blame for anything then I recommend reading what Arkanghelsk wrote here!
Arkanghelsk wrote:
Z means it was the last option
They went from plan A to plan Z
Every diplomatic option was exhausted
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