Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

Arkanghelsk wrote:No way

Russian casualties remain under 1000

dpr and lpr have higher casualties than russian army

They have Z and V on vehicles making it tough to distinguish , but the bmp 1 and all that is DPR LPR so is the T72 with kontakt 1

Ukrop dead are barely reaching 12,000 including national guard and teraborona

So RU dead 700+ (week 1 and some of week 2 were deadliest, after that casualties leveled off significantly)

LDNR dead 1500-2000 (estimate , by sheer volume of ambushes and inexperience and video estimate)

Ukropia dead : 12,000 (estimated by MOD numbers and kalibration scale)

You're being too optimistic

The Russian SSO already has over 20 dead, and they've been active in Mariupol and around Kiev

There have been a couple Russian motor-rifle columns taken out by artillery ambushes

Some supply convoys ambushed over the past week too

Some vehicles hitting mines

Quite a few Russian losses to artillery and fighting in the Nikolayev area

And some big battles taking place in the Kharkov and Kiev regions over the last few days

So Russian dead are definitely above 1000. I'd say possibly above 2000.

LNR/DNR have experienced front-line troops and they're advancing conservatively, and with the support of Russian airpower and special forces. Probably around 1000 dead, but who knows.

Ukrainian dead you're probably underestimating. With the exception of Nikolayev the only other barracks being hit have been ones that also host foreign mercs in addition to Ukrainian fighters.
But a lot of kindergardens, police stations and other places of habitance for Ukrainian troops have been destroyed too
And they're being mauled by Ka-52s and Mi-28Ns, Su-25s constantly bombing and so on, as well as the tank and artillery battles.
Apparently they lost half their strength in Mariupol already, and that place has thousands of troops; Azov, naval infantry, police, etc..
I'd say at least 15k Ukrainian dead, probably closer to 20k. And this shit saddens me, because at the end of the day it's Russia who started the conflict and even then, it could have gone a different way if our command wasn't short-sighted.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

You're being too optimistic

I think same, but would locate the number somewhere in between.
While the Ukro numbers much higher than that.

Just take a look at picterous things we could watch in the very first day, when the casualties really were quite common.
The most impressive would be a smashing of the VDV column in Bucha 24th Feb. All done by artillery, that levelled the whole street as well, but who cares about civilians sleeping there in the early morning.
It was documented for each piece, angle, direction and range, being in hands of Ukros for 2-3 more days.
The all they could present there, was 2 death bodies. One of it mutilliated in bush side by the road.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never saw more.
As VDV spearhead entered Hostomel heading to the airport, they catch the ambush fire as well, some loses among the material&personel occurred. Again, it was heavily documented for the same reason, with multiple materials made on the ground.
I have counted 5 dead.
New uniforms, new protection means, modern extraction methods etc pushes the death ratio significantly lower. More people would be injured.

I remember a Ukr vid on the first day, showed Russian helicopters being downed by HMG fire with some angry Nazi screaming behind the camera

So it's BS the reports that it was taken without any helicopters being downed, as I heard from a couple of Mi-24 pilot interviews. There was that Ka-52 which crash landed as well (although the pilots were safely extracted)

The Ukrs have done their artillery ambushes fairly well. Quite a few columns taken out. And some logistics convoys raided, personnel killed or captured.

The VDV recon platoon destroyed near Nikolayev. Now some Russian loses near Nikolayev being published as well, looks like from artillery, the Nikolayev garrison was active with its grads and cannons among the kruschevka courtyards until it was pummeled by missiles

And of course all the recon units who entered Kharkov from multiple directions, a lot were ambushed, although a lot managed to retreat sans vehicles.

Some SSO and other special forces dead in Mariupol, think there was a pic or a vid
And a vid of some sort of artillery or RPG strike by Azov in Mariupol, dunno if it was against DNR or against the Chechens, they were grouped up whoever they are, maybe 10-15 killed and wounded. Likely Chechens as the DNR have more sense.

The Strunger ATGM has been impressive, although I don't think they've taken out too many tanks based on the vids. The BTR-4 isn't bad, has taken out some vehicles in Mariupol.

Ispan wrote:I know there's probably a thread or part of the forum for this, but humor me.

What are the comparative merits of the Mil Mi 28 and the Kamov Ka 52? It's one better than the other and what purpose they serve

I read this article but didn't understand much,

https://topwar.ru/193835-udarnyj-vertolet-mi-28n-poprobujte-pokritikovat.html

I am afraid my level of knowledge ended at the end of Cold War and I have a hard time following up modern tech

From what I understood, the Mi 28 has better avionics than the Apache, and more capable of night flying, I find it hard to believe I am sure the Apache had upgrades along.

All helicopters look the same to me, I only look at guns and weapon pods, I tend to overlook things like speed and range.

One question, is the good old Mi-24 Krokodil still in use in modernized versions, or it has been retired out of service?

It seems to me helicopters aren't being used for close air support, but rather on interdiction strikes along roads.

Also if I understood the article correctly, the helicopters now fly at night because portable SAMs can't be fired at dark? Surprising! I thought the Stingers and at all aimed by infrared, of course you first have to spot the helicopter to aim the launcher, so it makes sense.

In short: consider the Mi-28N as a long-range archer - hunter of armored vehicles. The Ka-52 is a universal reconnaissance and attack helicopter, the Mi-24 and Mi-35 are "flying armored personnel carriers".
Each of these helicopters is now part of the Russian army aviation in the amount of 100-150 units according to official data.

Scorpius wrote:

Ispan wrote:I know there's probably a thread or part of the forum for this, but humor me.

What are the comparative merits of the Mil Mi 28 and the Kamov Ka 52? It's one better than the other and what purpose they serve

I read this article but didn't understand much,

https://topwar.ru/193835-udarnyj-vertolet-mi-28n-poprobujte-pokritikovat.html

I am afraid my level of knowledge ended at the end of Cold War and I have a hard time following up modern tech

From what I understood, the Mi 28 has better avionics than the Apache, and more capable of night flying, I find it hard to believe I am sure the Apache had upgrades along.

All helicopters look the same to me, I only look at guns and weapon pods, I tend to overlook things like speed and range.

One question, is the good old Mi-24 Krokodil still in use in modernized versions, or it has been retired out of service?

It seems to me helicopters aren't being used for close air support, but rather on interdiction strikes along roads.

Also if I understood the article correctly, the helicopters now fly at night because portable SAMs can't be fired at dark? Surprising! I thought the Stingers and at all aimed by infrared, of course you first have to spot the helicopter to aim the launcher, so it makes sense.

In short: consider the Mi-28N as a long-range archer - hunter of armored vehicles. The Ka-52 is a universal reconnaissance and attack helicopter, the Mi-24 and Mi-35 are "flying armored personnel carriers".
Each of these helicopters is now part of the Russian army aviation in the amount of 100-150 units according to official data.

The Mi-24 is a damn Sturmovik



In addition to being a part-time APC and extraction unit (it evacuated the downed Ka-52 pilots AFAIK)

flamming_python wrote:
I remember a Ukr vid on the first day, showed Russian helicopters being downed by HMG fire with some angry Nazi screaming behind the camera

So it's BS the reports that it was taken without any helicopters being downed, as I heard from a couple of Mi-24 pilot interviews. There was that Ka-52 which crash landed as well (although the pilots were safely extracted)

The Ukrs have done their artillery ambushes fairly well. Quite a few columns taken out. And some logistics convoys raided, personnel killed or captured.

The VDV recon platoon destroyed near Nikolayev. Now some Russian loses near Nikolayev being published as well, looks like from artillery, the Nikolayev garrison was active with its grads and cannons among the kruschevka courtyards until it was pummeled by missiles

And of course all the recon units who entered Kharkov from multiple directions, a lot were ambushed, although a lot managed to retreat sans vehicles.

Some SSO and other special forces dead in Mariupol, think there was a pic or a vid
And a vid of some sort of artillery or RPG strike by Azov in Mariupol, dunno if it was against DNR or against the Chechens, they were grouped up whoever they are, maybe 10-15 killed and wounded. Likely Chechens as the DNR have more sense.

The Strunger ATGM has been impressive, although I don't think they've taken out too many tanks based on the vids. The BTR-4 isn't bad, has taken out some vehicles in Mariupol.

Then you have the view of the USNATO

Bloomberg
@business
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A senior NATO military officer says the alliance estimates that Russia has suffered between 30,000 and 40,000 battlefield casualties in Ukraine through the first month of the war, including between 7,000 and 15,000 killed (via AP) https://trib.al/RWXwrQY

Stealthflanker wrote:I wonder how UA weapon tracker can "identify" a captured container as "Command post of Krasuha-4" system while the real one doesn't seem to share any similarities with the one being displayed. No hydraulic jacks, no generator set and most importantly, why does it on the ground despite for decades, Russia's ground based jammer be it the emitting part and its command post are stick together with their respective carrier vehicles.

The most bizzare things however is that how the military analysis outlet like the drive, avionists hyped about it.. seemingly without single thought.

This is plain insanity.

Nothing bizzare, just a state propaganda machine like no other

The empire of lies, as Putin called it

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
One thing regarding them, that I've seen multiple times is the curious use of unguided rockets in indirect fire. That is, launching them at extended ranges, pointing above the intended target, with ballistic drop in mind. Haven't yet seen any information about whether the FCS computers calculate for this type of utilization, or if it's done by "feel".

I think Fighterbomber wrote about this and explained it was very precise