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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:54 am

    PhSt wrote:
    If NATzO proceeds to swallow up Finland and bring their military assets ever closer to Russia's national borders, can Russia at least make the life of everyone in the West a living hell? Maybe pull out of the nuclear test ban treaty and detonate some fifty tsar bomba each week and blanket the entire planet with radioactive material until everyone is choked to death. Again, its better for Russia to take everyone down with them than just surrender to NATzO without a fight.

    There is no need for this. As far as I can tell the hypersonic missile threat from Ukraine was one of the pretexts to dismantle the
    Banderastan project. The major justification was saving the Donbass from the clearly planned and ready to go with full NATzO
    approval ethnic cleansing campaign.

    Any attempt by the US to deploy hypersonic missile systems in Finland, Poland, etc., should be met with Poseidon nuclear sea drones
    deployed in the thousands off the coasts of the US. The yanquis need to feel the direct threat in response to their imperial aggression.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:56 am

    Поразительно просто, насколько жалко выглядят попытки Дмитрия Пескова выторговать себе и своей семье какие-то индульгенции перед Западом.

    Basically people hate this roach peskov guts

    Apparently he's trying to get western sympathy for his family

    He needs to be fired ASAP

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:59 am

    Yo people are PISSED with Peskov they want his head

    This will end badly for peskov, they attacked the Nobel laureate pederast with paint

    Peskov is next

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 am



    According to sources in law enforcement agencies, the latest statements by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov caused, to put it mildly, an ambiguous reaction among the personnel. Without publicizing their position, expressing their opinion privately, the servicemen pointed out the inadmissibility of such statements by representatives of the country's top leadership, directly or indirectly capable of influencing the morale of the troops in combat conditions. And although the words of the high-ranking speaker were addressed to the media of the state declaring Russia an "aggressor" and an "occupier", they were immediately picked up by the mass media of the Kiev regime, causing delight in the part of Ukraine hostile to Russia and the Russian people

    The servicemen are now lashing against the Kremlin

    This is unacceptable, he must be fired

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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:12 am

    Can someone explain to me why rail links from western Europe are still allowed to operate? If a shipment of tanks is allowed in from the West, even if they are shit tanks, then I am sorry, but its hard to take the VKS seriously.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:26 am

    kvs wrote:There is no need for this.   As far as I can tell the hypersonic missile threat from Ukraine was one of the pretexts to dismantle the
    Banderastan project.   The major justification was saving the Donbass from the clearly planned and ready to go with full NATzO
    approval ethnic cleansing campaign.  

    Any attempt by the US to deploy hypersonic missile systems in Finland, Poland, etc., should be met with Poseidon nuclear sea drones
    deployed in the thousands off the coasts of the US.   The yanquis need to feel the direct threat in response to their imperial aggression.
    The US expects to put an hypersonic land based missile (LRHW) in service in Germany next year. Do not be surprised if they try to put similar missiles in Poland and Romania as well. Or Finland if they join. As is the Finns have bought air launched cruise missiles. Those are not "defensive" weapons.

    mnztr wrote:Can someone explain to me why rail links from western Europe are still allowed to operate? If a shipment of tanks is allowed in from the West, even if they are shit tanks, then I am sorry, but its hard to take the VKS seriously.
    The more the cities get emptied and the more refugees who move into the EU the better. It will both make the city combat easier and increase the cost of the war for the EU.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:15 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    According to sources in law enforcement agencies, the latest statements by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov caused, to put it mildly, an ambiguous reaction among the personnel. Without publicizing their position, expressing their opinion privately, the servicemen pointed out the inadmissibility of such statements by representatives of the country's top leadership, directly or indirectly capable of influencing the morale of the troops in combat conditions. And although the words of the high-ranking speaker were addressed to the media of the state declaring Russia an "aggressor" and an "occupier", they were immediately picked up by the mass media of the Kiev regime, causing delight in the part of Ukraine hostile to Russia and the Russian people

    The servicemen are now lashing against the Kremlin

    This is unacceptable, he must be fired

    Peskov is a nobody.  He simply just makes statements.  He is one part of a whole puzzle and he may be used to get some kind of idea the general opinion of the people so he may say very questionable things.  These guys cannot freely talk without given permission.  So dont get riled up.  Its to test the waters and to make sure the United Russia party has high popularity.

    lancelot wrote:
    The US expects to put an hypersonic land based missile (LRHW) in service in Germany next year. Do not be surprised if they try to put similar missiles in Poland and Romania as well. Or Finland if they join. As is the Finns have bought air launched cruise missiles. Those are not "defensive" weapons.

    US has been saying this for a while now. But it will be assured they will place those as close to Russia, China and Iran as possible. In this regard, these systems will be viewed as a threat regardless how basic it is. So Russia and China for sure will be placing their more advanced AD systems close by and also weapons will be concentrated on taking out such systems.

    We see how Russia has been striking at Ukraines abilities to produce such weapons.

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    Post  Serberus Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:20 am

    It will be a joy to watch these tin cans burn, especially so since my tax dollars helped pay for it.
    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/52832

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:20 am

    Furthermore (as i have been pointing to in my ealier posts here today), i would argue that Russophobia is now tollerated and even encouraged in most of Western Europe. In fact so much so, that it becomes dangerous to not participate in it, let alone advocate against it. Even if Ukraine is no longer Russophobic when all is said and done, it is naive not to look beyond the borders of Ukraine and realise that much more of the same sh*t is beeing prepped there as we speak.

    I am pretty sure Russia will not longer care about the opinions of those in the west, but having neighbours directly on their border with such attitudes is a direct threat... if the US can convince the EU to give up cheap energy from Russia what could they convince a Russophobic Ukraine to do with bio weapons labs and nukes and nazis...

    I will repeat again, that all I see is the catastrophic underestimation of the situation, brought about by a kind of hubris from the Russian elite that I've noticed for a while now. "Oh yeah the West will just give the Ukraine up, etc..", or "Ukrainian cities will defect", etc... Yeah no, they're not going to tolerate anyone trying to challenge the world order and their position in it.

    You care so much for the knife that was about to be pushed through your chest, the west wants to split Russia up, but what it is doing is severing all ties with Russia which wont break up Russia, it is more likely to break up the west... and make Russia stronger and more self reliant.

    None of the Kremlin's political calculations, ideological justifications, military plans, infowar, etc... are worth shit. It has all so far failed in the Ukraine.

    The Kremlin didn't plan this and has done everything it could to avoid open conflict, but the US gave them no other choice and ironically this break with the west that you seem so upset about is the best thing that could happen to Russia to be honest.

    The west is broken and toxic. It has been trying to break up its enemies all this time... it categorised the world as there being the first world.... the west... and the second world.... Russia and the commies including China, and the third world... everyone else.

    It seems eastern europe has moved from the second world to the first... all it had to do was give up all historic ties with former allies and pledge blind allegience to the US which they all happily did. The baltic states shifted ship too.

    But Russia is not allowed in the first world and can never be considered part of the west... I guess it is geography.

    It is good for Russia though because to be part of the west you have to be Americas bitch, and while weak western countries comply I don't think Russians would put up with that.

    Russians are basically the new N*ggers now.

    Been saying that for a while myself... the sooner Russians get that message the sooner they can work to make the world a better place for themselves and the majority of the human population that does not live in the west and has mostly suffered from its policies and actions over the last thousand years of so.

    So with the Kiev withdrawal or re-focusing. are Russia gonna use more aviation to try interdict western supplies coming for Kiev ? Guess more Inokhodets or standoff attacks.

    AFAIK attacks on western Ukraine did not originate from the Kiev region so I suspect it will be business as usual.

    And it's been 8 years - a whole new generation of young men are now in the Ukrainian military, ones that had no part in the initial Donbass fighting or took part in it only the trenches after 2015 where you shell and you get shelled back. Without necessarily even knowing who you're fighting, why, or what you're targeting.

    Ohhh they didn't know... well stop reading about this conflict and then you wont know and so Russia wont be to blame for anything... honestly it is what we do in the west... we don't know what censored we are and we like to keep it that way... still feel sorry for us and our meat shields?

    And then when Putin did strike, it turned out that he was unprepared, and it all turned into a nightmare.

    You say that but does that make it true?

    They took steps to make things more successful, but as usual the slimy ukrainian scum betrayed them and so things weren't as easy as they could have been... the real victims of their betrayal will be Ukrainian civilians so why would anyone be upset?

    Another video in which it is said that Russia has all the possibilities to lower the value of the dollar to 40 to 50 rubles for one dollar. Yuri states that Russia has prepared well for the economic war with the West in the past few years, and that he thinks that this is not the case with the EU and the USA.
    Juri states that Europe will face a drop in production and an increase in inflation due to the impossibility of accessing the raw materials they imported from Russia.
    Also, Juri predicts that there will be a drop in personal income in Europe, while the cost of living will increase. The worst thing that could happen would be the possibility of hyperinflation in the EU, because that would lead to regime change in many EU countries.

    I think this man connects things well.

    He must connect things well.... video no longer available.

    Like Madeline Albright, who said that 100,000 Iraqi children were a necessary price. I'm sorry but no.

    It was 600,000 Iraqi children... and the west could care less about them why would you care about Orcs?

    Putin was snookered by America, and then put into the same position as Saddam Hussein essentially, and ended up launching a calamitous invasion to get out of it, willingly walking into a trap. Although from the military point of view, the Iraqi army actually did a very good job with the brisk takeover of Kuwait. You can't say the same here.

    Yes, Putin was totally defeated by the US, his plan was partnership and cooperation with the west for mutual benefit and growth and the US just wanted Russians all dead and their country split up and owned by big western companies.

    Putin realises now he can't get what he wanted and he now realises the west is bad for Russia and is bad for humanity and the rest of the world... all its talk about human rights and dignity and ethics and morals is bullshit... it doesn't care about 600K Iraqi children or any children, and never has... that is the problem with the west... a vineer of compasion as a mask covering the face of the devil.

    But thanks to the US getting Putin to start a war they have actually taken several enormous steps backwards from their goals of defeating Russia and preventing a Russia/EU partnership, because it is not Russia that will struggle now it is the EU that will likely break... their own magnified Russophobia will cause them to cut cheap energy supplies from Russia which will make everything harder and more expensive and make them less competitive against the rest of the world too which now includes Russia and China.

    The thought war would destroy Russia but the result will destroy the Euro, but in doing so who is going to keep using US dollars... when no one accepts US dollars then the west is over because why do tricks for a master who has no treats to give you when you get something right?

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    He should move to an alternative platform and get his followers and readers to follow him to the other platform.

    Why continue to support Twitter?

    Will Russia respond with hostility to Finland joining NATO tho ? The Ukraine case has been neuralgic to Russia but they dont seem to say anything about their Scandinavian neighbors.

    Finland is free to do anything it pleases to make itself feel safer, but when Russia stops trade then they might have to cut down their own trees perhaps?

    US could use nuclear shells from 152 and 203mm guns for a first strike.

    It's way more dangerous than tomahawks in Ukraine or cuban missile crisis.

    This could lead to a first nuclear strike on Finland and nato HQ to deter this happening.

    The Russians are working on small cheap SAMs able to intercept artillery shells fired in large volumes, so if Finland joined and started that sort of BS the Russians would likely respond by moving enough Iskanders with nuclear warheads to the region to make every square metre of Finland glow in the dark.

    Artillery rounds are easy to intercept unless fired in enormous volumes, but also it will encourage preparations for nuclear strikes on the US because even if they are based in Finland the Fins wont have any control of them.

    Make a public statement: The moment you sign I nuke you.
    This is what America did and worked fine for them.
    Speak to the people rats with the language they understand.

    Very true and very hippocritical considering the US already had their own nukes in Turkey which made the Soviets want nukes in Cuba to counter them.

    We should go into finland, for rovaniemi

    That's a good airbase to control the baltics and the Scandinavians

    We can ground the Swedish gripens from rovaniemi

    Also the British f35 and the b52 at lakenheath

    I want us to hit the British hard

    You don't need to... they are already shooting themselves in the feet... they have their own new cold war and their military spending is going to shoot up... literally... but their fundamental problems of not balancing budgets and of course all that borrowing... they are their own worst enemy... pretty soon the rest of the world will have other options to look for money centres...

    Russia has threathned to make some adjustments on our border and I'm sure those are not nice ones. Honestly I'm thinking that we deserve them. There is very strong anti-russia stance in this country. I don't have single friend , relative or collageu who understands my point of vies about this situation. But, cest 'la vie!

    It is a western thing when the US is control... perhaps when economic situation changes and the US has no solutions the Europeans might become a bit more practical... like the Hungarians for instance.


    If the US wants to put missiles there, Russia can respond by arming its subs with Zirkons.

    They are going to deploy Zircons in ships and subs anyway, so not really a response.

    With images of Tulpan 240mm mortar you might not need massive 3000kg bombs, Tulpan is ideal for destroying buildings, it all depends how much of the steel plant they want to save. I would imagine after a days worth of Tulpan firing on to the neo Nazis they will be giving up fairly quickly

    The concrete piercing model of 240mm mortar rounds would be particularly effective against dug in troops.

    It is a 130kg HE round with a very thick case that allows it to penetrate into dirt or concrete and then explode... the effect of which is to stir up the dirt and turn it effectively into a liquid that will expand into any cavities like bunkers or tunnels which will fill up burying anyone there alive and then solidifying under its own weight and setting like concrete the way snow does in an avalanche.

    And of course it can sit there and do that all day...

    What kind of BULLSHIT defeatist attitude has plagued Russia lately??

    Any losses are significant when they are Russian soldiers doing the world a favour by eliminating some nazis.

    No they're just hedging bets

    Wouldn't want to put themselves in the line of fire

    To be honest I don't blame them. We didn't stick up for them in the 90s. So they're going to quietly just go along with whatever until we reach them ourselves. As it is now, they're surrounded by NATO.

    When Russia couldn't help them they felt betrayed. This is a simple vote they could easily have abstained from without much repercussion... the US wont be surprised if they abstained... but they clearly wanted to fit in... but if they want to fit in why bother trying to "reach" them at all.

    But then since when did EU governments ever consider the views and wants of their own people... they are getting more European all the time.

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:41 am

    Russian POWs are being massacred by the Ukrainians despite the fact that they realize that there are Ukrainian POWs captured by Russia. So it's quite clear that the Ukrainian leadership is using their soldiers as expendables.

    Once this conflict is over Russia needs to set up an inquiry committee to find out if Russian POWs were killed at the behest of Anglo-Saxon army regulars who are now embedded with the Ukrainian military.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:00 am

    I haven't read all of the previous comments in this thread but what is it with German intelligence intercepting radio transmissions about Russian soldiers talking about killing Ukrainian civilians in the town of Bucha? This is being used as evidence of war crimes.  Don't get angry with me please because I want to hear from another source not in the West.



    https://news.yahoo.com/germany-intercepted-conversations-russian-soldiers-100550605.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall






    It has been debated on here but a Kremlin spokesman admits significant losses of troops however 1,351 deaths doesn't sound like what the West was saying like 10,000 to 15,000 deaths that was being reported a few weeks ago.  



    https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russia-suffered-significant-174924233.html
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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:08 am

    There isn't going to be an inquiry into war crimes on any body capable of exacting justice. Russian courts can't do shit and the Kremlin won't do rendition on foreign soil so. Any war crime by Kiev survives with the Kiev regime. Since it doesn't look like the Kiev regime is going to fall at the hands of Russia then its all cries. All negotiated solutions void exacting justice. Don't hold your breath. The only thing Russian watchers can do is cry and lick your wounds.... and hope somehow there is some 9D chess being played cause Russia's hand is deteriorating by the day - at least as far as the military delivering the facts on the ground required for exacting justice, and reaching acceptable political goals.

    Considering what's coming out of the Kremlin these days... surrender by Russia through a negotiated solution ala "mission accomplished" is looking extremely likely. Russian watchers are simply watching perplexed and in horror at the prospects.

    And lol at the dimwit suggesting that Peskov's comments are a misdirection and 6D chess. censored  russia

    A political culture capable of dissolving an empire by the stroke of a pen is capable of anything that's for sure. Nothing like a good war to weed out the weak and pretenders on this planet.


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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:17 am

    andalusia wrote:I haven't read all of the previous comments in this thread but what is it with German intelligence intercepting radio transmissions about Russian soldiers talking about killing Ukrainian civilians in the town of Bucha? This is being used as evidence of war crimes.  Don't get angry with me please because I want to hear from another source not in the West.

    https://news.yahoo.com/germany-intercepted-conversations-russian-soldiers-100550605.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    It has been debated on here but a Kremlin spokesman admits significant losses of troops however 1,351 deaths doesn't sound like what the West was saying like 10,000 to 15,000 deaths that was being reported a few weeks ago.  

    https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russia-suffered-significant-174924233.html

    So just go and take one scratch
    There are plenty of sources, including in English.
    Starting from on the site correspondents that work as a freelancers, and organized Chinese or Arabic media, too.

    What is the story behind the "bike man", anyway?

    The first time I have spotted that pic in a collage spreaded on Facebook, I remember that the pic was a few days older than claimed, and with much probability coming from another place.
    But then, some biker hysteria appeared in media scratch scratch
    Now everything is about mysterious dead biker scratch
    Starting from this weeks claims that he was deliberately "hunted by a tank", with a drone footage hat shows nothing other than BMD shooting in some direction scratch scratch scratch

    This is really getting ridiculous, seeing how much effort is applied to cover up the fact that volkssthurm just killed some people considered collaborators, and masqueraded them for Russian victims later ...

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:37 am

    Reminds me of "a stunning piece of investigative work" where supposedly a news rag found unencrypted comma between fighter aircraft about bombing a supposed hospital in Syria.there is no way a news paper magically picked up encrypted comms from fighter aircraft.

    Now I'm not sure about regular soldiers I do know even civilian grade comma equipment has been used in this war but this sounds sus af. In fact what evidence I have seen that can remotely be used was clearly battle footage where a bicyclist appeared to get caught in melee and killed. It clearly is no proof at all.with serious peace talks under way and Russians giving serious concessions it seems the west has means, motive and opportunity to make crap up in order to stifle even an attempt at peaceful arrangements.

    After the white helmets and take gas attack in order to instigate western involvement in Syria,I am extremely skeptical of western propaganda, particularly when the west has everything to gain from it and it is voiced from Intel agency backed NGOs and msm. Many here in America are fed up with it. Particularly conservatives who grew up like me left leaning during Dubya years.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:53 am

    One has to be foolish to believe the Bucha massacre. Essentially the Ukrainians killed people, dump them around and say hey, these are the dead by the Russians.

    There would be a lot of blood on the ground but this clearly shows very little. Mostly dead bodies was laid about.

    then the Russian's have outright said they didn't do it and that they are indeed open for having an independent investigation done to which the west (UK the biggest one) said no. So as soon as they said no, that pretty much cleared the air as to what this is all about. The west will of course try their best to come up with any fake evidence. I mean, it doesnt take a genius to get Ukrainians to talk into radio and make themselves sound Russian. Doesn't matter how ridiculous it all sounds.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter. The western world is creating an issue for themselves, not the Russians. They have what we are in desperate need of. We provide nothing. The ball is in Russias court and I think they know that.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:54 am

    It is just a bloody repetition of MH17.
    They have twisted the Earth twice, to cover the fact that a particular missile with the known serial number was delivered to a named unit in Lvov region back in 1986, and never left the territory of Ukraine later.
    In that case, at least we had Malaysian authorities, who were sane enough to openly blame the "investigation" for witch-hunting, and called it unreliable just from the beginning.
    This time, there is no common sense applied, so we will just have a "Nemmersdorf massacre" repetition, with level less evidence, and more bullshit.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:11 am

    ALAMO wrote:It is just a bloody repetition of MH17.
    They have twisted the Earth twice, to cover the fact that a particular missile with the known serial number was delivered to a named unit in Lvov region back in 1986, and never left the territory of Ukraine later.
    In that case, at least we had Malaysian authorities, who were sane enough to openly blame the "investigation" for witch-hunting, and called it unreliable just from the beginning.
    This time, there is no common sense applied, so we will just have a "Nemmersdorf massacre" repetition, with level less evidence, and more bullshit.

    Doesnt matter. The Russians will continue doing what they have to do. The west can cry more. The caravan moves on.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:25 am

    Disagree.
    This shit is being produced to push undecided to a side.
    If China will change its mind, it will be an economic game over for Russia, we realize that.
    I am not calculating the probability now, just stating the fact.
    They will be forced to kneel. Let it be in 5 years, but they will.
    Fewer countries ignoring western sanctions - more problems for Russia.
    So in reality, they need to react for that. The only question is how to react to having such bad cards from the beginning.
    The biggest mistake Russia did, is not creating alternative communication channels combined with a world audience.
    Rutube should be booming, but it is not.
    Telegram is working as planned, but it is Russian language-driven, making it not accessible for most of the audience.
    They put all eggs into RT basket if you ask me, and now they have faced just a cut-off of a whole 10+ years of a good job done.
    This part was not prepared for a war. Maybe they lacked time, IDK dunno
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    Post  mr_hd Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:41 am

    sepheronx wrote:One has to be foolish to believe the Bucha massacre.  Essentially the Ukrainians killed people, dump them around and say hey, these are the dead by the Russians.
    ...
    People on this forum are really naive about war. War crimes do happen, especially in conflicts that include huge mass of civilian population caught in the middle of it.

    Regarding Bucha - real deal will be once International court prosecutors start to dig for facts. Ukraine is aware that its own forces did some crimes too - there are clips of torture and shooting of the Russian prisoners etc... however they are calculating that their forces did less things and will try to be open about it and address it, that is trade of, you want war prosecutor but be ready your own forces will be inspected.  On the other side Russia just denies and will never ever accept international court jurisdiction but just denying is not enough - the level of violence in Ukraine is mind blowing and it is two sided so Russian position is really weak.

    And for those people that want to learn how war crime happen - first you need to be aware that normal human is not build for war and killing psychologically. It is big barrier in our mind. But when conflict happens we tend to see other side as less human. Even here on forum some people call Ukrainians orcs or Nazis etc... this is already first step in dehumanizing them and direct path to war crime. The same is happening on Ukrainian side toward Russians.
    Now imagine for normal human being that is on front line, under immense 24h day pressure - this dehumanization process is multiplied many times more... there are guys on the field that stop to see civilians, or any people expect their own unit. And they have weapons and are basically time bomb. Imagine if they catch some civilians doing support activities to enemy...
    That is war in nut shell and war crimes are part of it and main responsibilities are not really on the field with operative people but in chain command, people in position that did not prevent such things to happen on massive scale.

    Prosecution will go after chain command.

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:49 am

    Where there is a WILL

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:50 am

    ALAMO wrote:Disagree.
    This shit is being produced to push undecided to a side.
    If China will change its mind, it will be an economic game over for Russia, we realize that.
    I am not calculating the probability now, just stating the fact.
    They will be forced to kneel. Let it be in 5 years, but they will.
    Fewer countries ignoring western sanctions - more problems for Russia.
    So in reality, they need to react for that. The only question is how to react to having such bad cards from the beginning.
    The biggest mistake Russia did, is not creating alternative communication channels combined with a world audience.
    Rutube should be booming, but it is not.
    Telegram is working as planned, but it is Russian language-driven, making it not accessible for most of the audience.
    They put all eggs into RT basket if you ask me, and now they have faced just a cut-off of a whole 10+ years of a good job done.
    This part was not prepared for a war. Maybe they lacked time, IDK dunno

    China knows what is at stake so they wont follow through.  As for this, it is no different than the supposed claims against Assad and the Chemical weapons attacks and all the fake news that came from that.  In the end, Assad has new partners in the region.  Add into it, the Americans and Europeans have no ground to stand on and ultimately, Russia made its point across.  The Russians called their bluff and asked for an independent investigation and the west said no.  That is the ultimate play right there and no matter beyond that will anything change it.

    Russians are already talking about this.  Plenty more.  The west did enough damage to itself by banning Scott Ritter on Twitter to which later admitted they shouldn't have done that.  Independent voices are being thrown out and look outside of main stream media and rest of the world beyond Europe, no one buys what the US and Europe is selling.  India is fully aware, China is fully aware, Iraq, etc.  These nations all lived under the US, UK and western worlds atrocities for so long they know very well not to believe what they say.

    If Russia has to be a complete Autarky, so be it.  When Russia demanded an independent investigation, that made it clear to China as well.  And dont think for a second the Chinese authorities do not tell their citizens that.  They will say exactly everything necessary to push out US narratives.  Like the Uighur issue.

    Sujoy wrote:Where there is a WILL


    Case in point right here. Vietnam pretty much stated what I stated as well.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:22 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    According to sources in law enforcement agencies, the latest statements by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov caused, to put it mildly, an ambiguous reaction among the personnel. Without publicizing their position, expressing their opinion privately, the servicemen pointed out the inadmissibility of such statements by representatives of the country's top leadership, directly or indirectly capable of influencing the morale of the troops in combat conditions. And although the words of the high-ranking speaker were addressed to the media of the state declaring Russia an "aggressor" and an "occupier", they were immediately picked up by the mass media of the Kiev regime, causing delight in the part of Ukraine hostile to Russia and the Russian people

    The servicemen are now lashing against the Kremlin

    This is unacceptable, he must be fired

    It's all an act, calm it

    He's Putin' spokesman FFS. He says that what he's told to say

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:26 am

    Imagine, 25k MANPADs to a multi-national rag-tag army.

    I'll tell you what will happen. Only a matter of time before Ukrainians start selling these weapons in the black market and in all probability some Nazi or Jihadi group will get hold of it.

    They will them use these weapons to shoot down a passenger jet liner either during take off or landing and subsequently the U.S and U.K will accuse Russia for being involved in the attack/s.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:02 am

    Some observations :

    ( 1 ) Some seem to know the Road ahead " they have a crystal Ball , "  yet refrain from doing the most immediate and obvious  , and some say " nobody knows the Road ahead , " yet they advise for the pursuit of long term goals !

    ( 2 ) The present confrontation , between East and West , is as much about Nuclear weapons , their stationing or use , as well other matters . It is a prelude to Nuclear war and not a conventional war of territory of influence , in the old fashioned sense . What follows now ; say a strike on a convoy and retaliation , may be followed by a limited conventional- direct engagement . We will all be then , perhaps , a few hours of a day or two , from Nuclear war .

    ( 3 ) The West , mistakenly believe this to be a conventional war , by providing " weapons " , as they did to various groups in the past . These previous wars , were for influence , and did not pose an existential threat to Russia itself . This time , it is different , yet they are sleep- walking into a Hell of their own making .

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    Post  klahtinen Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:52 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Finland has been a NATO member in everything but name for years now

    That's right. Some Finns like me are now just a bit worried if there will US bases in Finland.

    But as Lavrov said earlier this year "It's Finland's own business, but Russia hopes Finland not to join"

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