Podlodka77 wrote:
Dude, I would "sink" all your teeth !!!
Look at this, you stinker, I've been following you and that stink RTN for days, I'd break you both! You would sink like Bismarck if I were in front of you.
There is nothing for a coward like you two and those whiners FP and Arkahangelsk to write! Fool, Russia has entered a war that the United States did not enter since the Vietnam War era. Come on, let them bring their aircraft carriers in front of the Russian borders, so let's see. The same goes for Arleigh Burke destroyers.
Allah Akbar!
Dude relax a bit. You're in agony over the humiliation vis-a-vis the Moskva. That's understandable. But yes there will be losses in war, and even displays of basic incompetence, not every officer deserves his post or can display the required level of proficiency in a crisis. It's important to accept that and move on, confident that the loss is not fatal and the naval plans will be adjusted. I posted about the Moskva and I don't share the opinion that it's loss is only symbolic - it was a key vessel in the Black Sea fleet and its anti-air and anti-ship strike power as well as its command functions. But nevermind, it's replacement for the BSF flagship role will be a helicopter carrier and those are already on the way.
And yes the failed political-military strategies and plenty of other mistakes by the leadership we've been over here in this forum.
It's naive to assume the enemy doesn't make mistakes either. They were planning a bank run in Russia, not a long war, but a short one until dissent kicks in here and the economy seizes up. Now that they have a long war on their hands, they're suddenly going back on their words about only sending small arms, and sending trainloads of heavy equipment instead - as the Ukrainian ones have mostly been taken out. Scrounging up decades-old crap in storage with no upgrades such as East German BMP-1s and Czech T-72M1s. Now sending Mi-17s out of the arsenal they had planned for the Afghan military before said military collapsed in 11 days.
Sending Bosnian and Chechen Islamists, Uighurs, all sorts of TikTok celebrity warriors who get pummeled, ex-Afghan military commandos who now work in their PMCs; all their tools across all their vast empire. Emptying all their stocks of old equipment, ammo, and so on, and now facing a 2nd front with China, tensions with India, and more trouble in the Middle East.
Don't worry, it's important only for Russia to keep pinning them in the Ukraine, with steady advances, while taking out all their supplies and mercenaries. The rest of the world will start to discard their threats over cutting ties with Russia.
War consists of among other things, a constant struggle to outsmart your opponent, cloak your true intentions, pursue and adjust your strategy, adopt new tactics and evolve or discard them when the enemy adapts to them
From what I can see the core of competency is there at levels in the Russian military. Because they display the ability to very rapidly adapt. Tank columns come in with marching formation but people aren't greeting you with flowers? Engagement orders were adjusted in 3 days. High-tempo of advance leading your forces into traps? Lower your tempo within another few days and focus on taking out the traps with your own artillery and helicopters. Bayraktars taking out vehicles? Haven't seen a video from them past the first 2 weeks, only reports of them being shot down daily. Negotiations were betrayed? Well pretend to adhere to them anyway for diplomatic and operational reasons, until your opponent is the one who threatens to cut all negotiations if Mariupol is taken. Opponent massacring his own civilians to put the blame on you? Expose the devil.
And yes each failed step, each lesson comes with a cost, as does the Moskva. Main thing is that the lessons are learned, and that the peacetime officer corps, which is really the same in every army - an armed bureaucracy; is whipped into fighting shape and the no-gooders are rapidly weeded out as talent is allowed to rise to the top.
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According to their testimonies, the total number of Ukrainian servicemen, Nazis and foreign mercenaries who took refuge at Azovstal does not exceed 2.5 thousand people.
But let's it sink into zelensky that he's lost a region without any agreements or deals done, and thus adds to any agreement that Russia puts on the table will now include recognition of Donbass, Crimea and now Kherson region. It also floats the idea for other regions that getting its own independence might be a safer way out of this mess, and I am pretty sure many regions in Ukraine haven't always felt Kiev government hasn't always had it's regions priorities at the forefront. And I am sure local mayor's/governor's like the idea of being fully in charge of their region and title of president than taking orders from a comedian and being classed as a lowly mayor etc. 
