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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:56 pm

    How about this?

    It looks as if it could be that they may have got which Lt Gen wrong or they have two of them, no doubt plus staff.

    No wonder NATO are going apeshit, this is one of their 'royalty' potentially caught at the gathering of the 'clan' at the forward HQ for the Ukrainian strike into Donbas and Crimea.

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    Canadian media reports that the "former" commander of the army, Lieutenant General Trevor Cadier, is in Ukraine, and he has been absent since February. It is speculated that he may be surrounded in #Azovstal


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:11 pm

    Good to see this confirmed, with names.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Some weird Bandera cartoon being shown to kids in Ukrainian schools

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2282

    That is necessary to cataloging stuff like this for later trials and evidence of systematic indoctrination and breed of fascism. This is political pedophilia nothing else.

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:32 pm

    Has anyone seen any estimates of the Ukrainian tanks lost. The roughly 2500 figure from the Russian MOD includes armoured vehicles.
    The ratio is typically not 1:1.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:34 pm

    Seems like arms shipments are being targeted again at the Lvov train depot. Several cruise missiles hit.

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    Post  Serberus Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:How about this?

    It looks as if it could be that they may have got which Lt Gen wrong or they have two of them, no doubt plus staff.

    No wonder NATO are going apeshit, this is one of their 'royalty' potentially caught at the gathering of the 'clan' at the forward HQ for the Ukrainian strike into Donbas and Crimea.

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    Former commander my ass, they got caught with their pants down and are now in damage control.
    They have probably finally accepted that they won’t be getting them out, so their propagandists are spinning a story for the masses.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:54 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Seems like arms shipments are being targeted again at the Lvov train depot. Several cruise missiles hit.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1518196699445051393?t=tAx3L2096MR3-0DH2IEqDQ&s=19

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:01 pm

    US narrative won’t survive defeat in Donbass

    source

    Good article by M K Bhadrakumar , a former Indian diplomat and analyst of international politics.


    Russia pushes back western sanctions, revs up operation in Eastern Ukraine

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    Earlier article, also worth a read, even if only to reinforce what most of us already know.  Its good to know that experts in the global south are savvy in terms of geopolitical truth, unlike the corrupt fuktards in the west, sucking cash from the teats of our corrupt Oligarchic ruling class as a reward for pumping out their biased nonsensical screeds.. thumbsup

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    Post  calripson Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


    Live and let live isn't going to work for Russia. What people characterize as the "West" - the more intelligent people know what that term really means - is intent on destroying Russia as a functional autonomous state. They have made that clear. This is not a response to Russia as a threat. Russia in the 1990s was prostrate before the world and openly begging to be accepted into the "European family". They responded with false promises and crocodile tears while supporting terrorism within Russia designed to tear Russia apart. The reason they didn't act more decisively is because they miscalculated that natural entropy would do the job for them. Putin to his credit arrived on the scene and stabilized the situation. He then threw out some of the worst oligarch offenders - the front men for the real money - his first and most unforgivable sin. Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival. The "sensible", "moderate" ways will not work. Russia is doomed in any of these scenarios as the good folk at Rand and MI6 have already modeled out infinitum. Navalny waits in the wings (in prison actually) as the appointed successor to Putin. Ready to ride in on his faux nationalistic horse to inflame ethnic divisions and to finish the job Yeltsin started. Survival for Russia only comes from a radical and revolutionary step - outside the bonds of anything people think possible. Russia greatest deficit is ideological. Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.


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    Post  Isos Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:22 pm

    kvs wrote:Has anyone seen any estimates of the Ukrainian tanks lost.   The roughly 2500 figure from the Russian MOD includes armoured vehicles.
    The ratio is typically not 1:1.  


    IMO Ukrainian use of vehicles must be very low since the start. You don't use them when the enemy has total air superiority.

    Again in my opinion only, they were probably deployed on the field and left to rust there because they were afraid of geting bombed inside. That's why you saw 4 tunguskas parked between bushes or plenty of t-80 in the woods.

    Then ukrainians capture them for twitter war but they were ukrainian vehicles since the start. Dumb strategy.

    Concerning number I doubt russians take the time to count them. They just give randomnumber that match more or less the actual reports from the mess on the front.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:24 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Seems like arms shipments are being targeted again at the Lvov train depot. Several cruise missiles hit.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1518196699445051393?t=tAx3L2096MR3-0DH2IEqDQ&s=19

    Beautiful footage of that 2nd kalibre dropping out of the blue to smite the Orcs...  So good thumbsup

    edit: alternative footage that shows the two consecutive kalibre strikes. Yeah baby.... Laughing



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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:29 pm

    Mir wrote:Very good article in RT this morning >>

    https://www.rt.com/russia/554166-international-law-military-operation-ukraine/

    Daniel Kovalik: Why Russia's intervention in Ukraine is legal under international law
    The argument can be made that Russia exercised its right for self-defense

    International law is bullshit

    Nobody gives a crap about it

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:40 pm

    calripson wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


    Live and let live isn't going to work for Russia. What people characterize as the "West" - the more intelligent people know what that term really means - is intent on destroying Russia as a functional autonomous state. They have made that clear. This is not a response to Russia as a threat. Russia in the 1990s was prostate before the world and openly begging to be accepted into the "European family". They responded with false promises and crocodile tears while supporting terrorism within Russia designed to tear Russia apart. The reason they didn't act more decisively is because they miscalculated that natural entropy would do the job for them. Putin to his credit arrived on the scene and stabilized the situation. He then threw out some of the worst oligarch offenders - the front men for the real money - his first and most unforgivable sin. Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival. The "sensible", "moderate" ways will not work. Russia is doomed in any of these scenarios as the good folk at Rand and MI6 have already modeled out infinitum. Navalny waits in the wings (in prison actually) as the appointed successor to Putin. Ready to ride in on his faux nationalistic horse to inflame ethnic divisions and to finish the job Yeltsin started. Survival for Russia only comes from a radical and revolutionary step - outside the bonds of anything people think possible. Russia greatest deficit is ideological. Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.

    Russia will not be the center of anything,

    Multipolarity, means more than 1 pole, and definitely more than 2

    The taliban themselves belong to a part of one of these poles, the Islamic pole and it is simply by insistence if their seat at the table, that another pole is created

    Liberalism tries to tear Russia apart, but let's be real, this is an overestimation of their capabilities

    So yes live and let live works very well, and symbols like MAGA, Z, Front Nationale, LNA, Assad are all examples of how manifestation of human identity are taking place with some more progressed than others , especially Russian identity in the world

    For Russia, west itself is not the main enemy, neither are European or American people, themselves asking the same questions as the rest of the world

    Where is their place in the world? And the question is being asked today in France via Le Pen VS Macron

    Even if Macron wins, the question is still there much like Trump waits with MAGA in the shadows of the Democratic party

    Time is on Russias side here, and ideology is the burden of the West, not Russia

    For Russia to be victorious, it must only insist on multipolarity , insist on Assad, insist on DPR LPR and it is a victory

    For the west to win, they must triumph totally, and that is a much more difficult goal, than the limited objectives of Russian state

    Liberalism is good at destroying things, but not very good at replacing them, and that is the flaw of the liberal world order

    The Iraqi occupation, replaced by Shiite Iranian ideology and nation,

    Syrian balkanization, replaced by Neo Assadist Blended with Pan Arab , Pan Turkish world

    Post Soviet absorption, in the Ukrainain variety , neo banderite Ukraine, replaced by Russki Mir

    And the situation will repeat in all battlespaces that Unipolarity engages in against the other world poles

    For the multipolar world, they must only insist on their existence and they are triumphant

    For the Unipolar world, they must occupy and erase that cultural past that they intend to conquer,  

    You can ask the taliban about that one, and even the Assadists, LDNR, Houthis, and all of the other actors in the multipolar world how it goes

    You can even ask MAGA about it too! The battle continues, and the more totalitarian Liberalism becomes the quicker its death comes with it

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:50 pm

    Boris Johnsom must have tried to interfere with India's Russia policy (apart from other internal matters) yesterday when he was here. Why would a pro Falkland independence committee all of a sudden come up in India of all places out of the blue?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:01 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Boris Johnsom must have tried to interfere with India's Russia policy (apart from other internal matters) yesterday when he was here. Why would a pro Falkland independence committee all of a sudden come up in India of all places out of the blue?


    The contest with Unipolarity will continue and Argentina and greater Latin America will have to make a choice when the fight is inevitable, as was in Ukraine

    The Good thing for Argentina and the revival of Latin America in Post Modernity is that there is plenty of material to feed that movement, including the pre-Columban indigenous identity of those Latin American states, and even the post Spanish bolivarian identity which provides enough fuel for the people of Latin America that are waiting to be activated

    Liberalism was not successful at incubating oligarchs of Latin America, just as they did not achieve the success and stability of Ukrainian oligarchs and capital , indeed Gustavo Petro will be another in the list of multipolar candidates that swept Latin America


    Liberalism is facing a big crisis ideologically and practically, as all the financial capital and technology is not providing the solutions to Liberalisms main problem and contradiction, which is its survival in the post modern world as a human ideology


    I would say for India , the question is two fold, Imran Khan was a character which was beginning to understand the place of Pakistan in the Multipolar world order, and recognized that of India as well

    Well I believe it is not for Russia or Britain to decide what is best for Indians, but it is a question that should be posed to Indians themselves

    As for Ukraine, denazification is the name of the game

    Don't let India fall to the same machinations that ended Ukraine, as a post modern state

    But judging by Indias reaction to sanctions, it at least recognized that it's survival depended not on thinking as pro russian, but NOT to think as anti Russians

    That itself is de facto recognition of multipolarity

    And the same is said of all peoples today who must contend with what replaces Globalist Liberalism in their own countries
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:18 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Got a bullseye.


    It's not Avdiivka, it's the northern edge of Novoselivka, about 20km NNE.

    Was quite tricky to geolocate because the sat footage is old and it's the wrong season of the year.

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    But anyway, not even near Avdiivka.



    Seen another piece of strike footage that is claimed to be Avdiivka, in conjunction with the above.



    It is not. It's Oleksandropil, 16km north of Avdiivka, 5km west from Novoselivka.

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    What's interesting is that these strikes are pretty deep, not right on the frontline as "Avdiivka" would suggest (actually they're closer to Toretsk than Avdiivka..). Don't know why the locations are constantly misreported.

    To me it looks like they're targeting very specific rear units, suggesting some particular intel.


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    Post  walle83 Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:22 pm

    Belisarius wrote:7000+ Javelin anti-tank systems have been sent to Ukraine to date. Ukraine uses 1 weeks of worth of javelins in one day.

    Only 269 Soviet tanks have been visually confirmed destroyed.

    There’s panic among the US leadership as reported by American military analysts about running low on the Javelins and about their ineffectiveness against Russian tanks. 1/3rd of the total US stockpile has been depleted on old Soviet tanks, that is according to the Pentagon.

    The 269 visually confirmed losses is not a concrete number either as many have been double photographed and a few misidentified. But the number lies somewhere in the area.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2328

    Idk about the total number of destroyed tanks, but the same source also claim that Ukraine has captured 212 Russian tanks. Thats no small number and unheard of in a modern war only 2 months in.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:28 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:7000+ Javelin anti-tank systems have been sent to Ukraine to date. Ukraine uses 1 weeks of worth of javelins in one day.

    Only 269 Soviet tanks have been visually confirmed destroyed.

    There’s panic among the US leadership as reported by American military analysts about running low on the Javelins and about their ineffectiveness against Russian tanks. 1/3rd of the total US stockpile has been depleted on old Soviet tanks, that is according to the Pentagon.

    The 269 visually confirmed losses is not a concrete number either as many have been double photographed and a few misidentified. But the number lies somewhere in the area.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2328

    Idk about the total number of destroyed tanks, but the same source also claim that Ukraine has captured 212 Russian tanks. Thats no small number and unheard of in a modern war only 2 months in.

    Captured where? In your brain?

    Hohols ain't riding on T72b3 or T80Bv ,

    But Talibans are riding in 155 Maxpro MRAPS
    , 634 M117 , 60 Blackhawks and many more

    Imagine hohols getting their hands on 60 KA52,

    Now that really would be unheard of in modern war

    It's too bad liberals spend more time grasping for straws then just ending the agony and grasping for a revolver

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:30 pm

    walle83 wrote:...Idk about the total number of destroyed tanks, but the same source also claim that Ukraine has captured 212 Russian tanks. Thats no small number and unheard of in a modern war only 2 months in.

    If something is unheard of it's probably because it's BS

    Also keep in mind that everyone online is conflating Republican troops with Russian Army so most of those "captured" tanks that actually were captured are probably locals

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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:33 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
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    flamming_python wrote:Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


    Live and let live isn't going to work for Russia. What people characterize as the "West" - the more intelligent people know what that term really means - is intent on destroying Russia as a functional autonomous state. They have made that clear. This is not a response to Russia as a threat. Russia in the 1990s was prostate before the world and openly begging to be accepted into the "European family". They responded with false promises and crocodile tears while supporting terrorism within Russia designed to tear Russia apart. The reason they didn't act more decisively is because they miscalculated that natural entropy would do the job for them. Putin to his credit arrived on the scene and stabilized the situation. He then threw out some of the worst oligarch offenders - the front men for the real money - his first and most unforgivable sin. Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival. The "sensible", "moderate" ways will not work. Russia is doomed in any of these scenarios as the good folk at Rand and MI6 have already modeled out infinitum. Navalny waits in the wings (in prison actually) as the appointed successor to Putin. Ready to ride in on his faux nationalistic horse to inflame ethnic divisions and to finish the job Yeltsin started. Survival for Russia only comes from a radical and revolutionary step - outside the bonds of anything people think possible. Russia greatest deficit is ideological. Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.

    Multipolarity, means more than 1 pole, and definitely more than 2

    The taliban themselves belong to a part of one of these poles, the Islamic pole and it is simply by insistence if their seat at the table, that another pole is created

    Liberalism tries to tear Russia apart, but let's be real, this is an overestimation of their capabilities

    So yes live and let live works very well, and symbols like MAGA, Z, Front Nationale, LNA, Assad are all examples of how manifestation of human identity are taking place with some more progressed than others , especially Russian identity in the world

    For Russia, west itself is not the main enemy, neither are European or American people, themselves asking the same questions as the rest of the world

    Where is their place in the world? And the question is being asked today in France via Le Pen VS Macron

    Even if Macron wins, the question is still there much like Trump waits with MAGA in the shadows of the Democratic party

    Time is on Russias side here, and ideology is the burden of the West, not Russia

    For Russia to be victorious, it must only insist on multipolarity , insist on Assad, insist on DPR LPR and it is a victory

    For the west to win, they must triumph totally, and that is a much more difficult goal, than the limited objectives of Russian state

    Liberalism is good at destroying things, but not very good at replacing them, and that is the flaw of the liberal world order

    The Iraqi occupation, replaced by Shiite Iranian ideology and nation,

    Syrian balkanization, replaced by Neo Assadist Blended with Pan Arab , Pan Turkish world

    Post Soviet absorption, in the Ukrainain variety , neo banderite Ukraine, replaced by Russki Mir

    And the situation will repeat in all battlespaces that Unipolarity engages in against the other world poles

    For the multipolar world, they must only insist on their existence and they are triumphant

    For the Unipolar world, they must occupy and erase that cultural past that they intend to conquer,  

    You can ask the taliban about that one, and even the Assadists, LDNR, Houthis, and all of the other actors in the multipolar world how it goes

    You can even ask MAGA about it too! The battle continues, and the more totalitarian Liberalism becomes the quicker its death comes with it

    IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
    Russia will not be the center of anything,

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    I have read about some rumors that there is the possibility that some Western nations do not want the public to see what is hiding in Azovstal. Let us hope for some revealing news in the coming weeks. The Empire of Lies is already crumbling.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:53 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


    Live and let live isn't going to work for Russia. What people characterize as the "West" - the more intelligent people know what that term really means - is intent on destroying Russia as a functional autonomous state. They have made that clear. This is not a response to Russia as a threat. Russia in the 1990s was prostate before the world and openly begging to be accepted into the "European family". They responded with false promises and crocodile tears while supporting terrorism within Russia designed to tear Russia apart. The reason they didn't act more decisively is because they miscalculated that natural entropy would do the job for them. Putin to his credit arrived on the scene and stabilized the situation. He then threw out some of the worst oligarch offenders - the front men for the real money - his first and most unforgivable sin. Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival. The "sensible", "moderate" ways will not work. Russia is doomed in any of these scenarios as the good folk at Rand and MI6 have already modeled out infinitum. Navalny waits in the wings (in prison actually) as the appointed successor to Putin. Ready to ride in on his faux nationalistic horse to inflame ethnic divisions and to finish the job Yeltsin started. Survival for Russia only comes from a radical and revolutionary step - outside the bonds of anything people think possible. Russia greatest deficit is ideological. Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.

    Multipolarity, means more than 1 pole, and definitely more than 2

    The taliban themselves belong to a part of one of these poles, the Islamic pole and it is simply by insistence if their seat at the table, that another pole is created

    Liberalism tries to tear Russia apart, but let's be real, this is an overestimation of their capabilities

    So yes live and let live works very well, and symbols like MAGA, Z, Front Nationale, LNA, Assad are all examples of how manifestation of human identity are taking place with some more progressed than others , especially Russian identity in the world

    For Russia, west itself is not the main enemy, neither are European or American people, themselves asking the same questions as the rest of the world

    Where is their place in the world? And the question is being asked today in France via Le Pen VS Macron

    Even if Macron wins, the question is still there much like Trump waits with MAGA in the shadows of the Democratic party

    Time is on Russias side here, and ideology is the burden of the West, not Russia

    For Russia to be victorious, it must only insist on multipolarity , insist on Assad, insist on DPR LPR and it is a victory

    For the west to win, they must triumph totally, and that is a much more difficult goal, than the limited objectives of Russian state

    Liberalism is good at destroying things, but not very good at replacing them, and that is the flaw of the liberal world order

    The Iraqi occupation, replaced by Shiite Iranian ideology and nation,

    Syrian balkanization, replaced by Neo Assadist Blended with Pan Arab , Pan Turkish world

    Post Soviet absorption, in the Ukrainain variety , neo banderite Ukraine, replaced by Russki Mir

    And the situation will repeat in all battlespaces that Unipolarity engages in against the other world poles

    For the multipolar world, they must only insist on their existence and they are triumphant

    For the Unipolar world, they must occupy and erase that cultural past that they intend to conquer,  

    You can ask the taliban about that one, and even the Assadists, LDNR, Houthis, and all of the other actors in the multipolar world how it goes

    You can even ask MAGA about it too! The battle continues, and the more totalitarian Liberalism becomes the quicker its death comes with it

    IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
    Russia will not be the center of anything,

    But Russia with the CIS, and China and India has a block of 2.5 billion or a little more than 1 out of every 4 people on this pale blue dot.

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:13 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


    Live and let live isn't going to work for Russia. What people characterize as the "West" - the more intelligent people know what that term really means - is intent on destroying Russia as a functional autonomous state. They have made that clear. This is not a response to Russia as a threat. Russia in the 1990s was prostate before the world and openly begging to be accepted into the "European family". They responded with false promises and crocodile tears while supporting terrorism within Russia designed to tear Russia apart. The reason they didn't act more decisively is because they miscalculated that natural entropy would do the job for them. Putin to his credit arrived on the scene and stabilized the situation. He then threw out some of the worst oligarch offenders - the front men for the real money - his first and most unforgivable sin. Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival. The "sensible", "moderate" ways will not work. Russia is doomed in any of these scenarios as the good folk at Rand and MI6 have already modeled out infinitum. Navalny waits in the wings (in prison actually) as the appointed successor to Putin. Ready to ride in on his faux nationalistic horse to inflame ethnic divisions and to finish the job Yeltsin started. Survival for Russia only comes from a radical and revolutionary step - outside the bonds of anything people think possible. Russia greatest deficit is ideological. Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.

    Multipolarity, means more than 1 pole, and definitely more than 2

    The taliban themselves belong to a part of one of these poles, the Islamic pole and it is simply by insistence if their seat at the table, that another pole is created

    Liberalism tries to tear Russia apart, but let's be real, this is an overestimation of their capabilities

    So yes live and let live works very well, and symbols like MAGA, Z, Front Nationale, LNA, Assad are all examples of how manifestation of human identity are taking place with some more progressed than others , especially Russian identity in the world

    For Russia, west itself is not the main enemy, neither are European or American people, themselves asking the same questions as the rest of the world

    Where is their place in the world? And the question is being asked today in France via Le Pen VS Macron

    Even if Macron wins, the question is still there much like Trump waits with MAGA in the shadows of the Democratic party

    Time is on Russias side here, and ideology is the burden of the West, not Russia

    For Russia to be victorious, it must only insist on multipolarity , insist on Assad, insist on DPR LPR and it is a victory

    For the west to win, they must triumph totally, and that is a much more difficult goal, than the limited objectives of Russian state

    Liberalism is good at destroying things, but not very good at replacing them, and that is the flaw of the liberal world order

    The Iraqi occupation, replaced by Shiite Iranian ideology and nation,

    Syrian balkanization, replaced by Neo Assadist Blended with Pan Arab , Pan Turkish world

    Post Soviet absorption, in the Ukrainain variety , neo banderite Ukraine, replaced by Russki Mir

    And the situation will repeat in all battlespaces that Unipolarity engages in against the other world poles

    For the multipolar world, they must only insist on their existence and they are triumphant

    For the Unipolar world, they must occupy and erase that cultural past that they intend to conquer,  

    You can ask the taliban about that one, and even the Assadists, LDNR, Houthis, and all of the other actors in the multipolar world how it goes

    You can even ask MAGA about it too! The battle continues, and the more totalitarian Liberalism becomes the quicker its death comes with it

    IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
    Russia will not be the center of anything,

    But Russia with the CIS, and  China and India has a block of 2.5 billion or a little more than 1 out of every 4 people on this pale blue dot.

    Who gives a shit about the number of people? The 800 million in th west produce mostly hot air. The 150 million in Russia sit om top the largest base of commodities and energy supplies in the world + the largest farm lands and forests. And they produce such thinks as Sarmat, Tsirkon and Poseidon. That matters.


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