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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:15 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
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    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Seems like arms shipments are being targeted again at the Lvov train depot. Several cruise missiles hit.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1518196699445051393?t=tAx3L2096MR3-0DH2IEqDQ&s=19

    Beautiful footage of that 2nd kalibre dropping out of the blue to smite the Orcs...  So good thumbsup

    edit: alternative footage that shows the two consecutive kalibre strikes.  Yeah baby....   Laughing


    Rob Lee must be consuming huge quantities of Copium these days. Laughing Laughing Laughing

    News: Odessa was hit by air launched cruise missiles according to fairly reliable sources on Shitter.

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    Post  ludovicense Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:25 pm


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    „But with all due respect, I will honestly say that this is a different war, experts say, it cannot be compared with any other in the 21st century. Those or other drones can help, but do not affect the result.“

    He pretty much says they are useless 😂😂

    ......

    If this news is true Erdogan must have loved it.....

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    Post  RTN Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:45 pm

    Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:21 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    He pretty much says they are useless

    Well that's no surprise:
    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2020/06/drones-male-destruidos-en-libia.html?m=1
    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2022/03/cuantos-drones-bayraktar-tb2-se-han.html?m=1
    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2020/05/turquia-pierde-drones-en-idlib-como-si.html?m=1

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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:22 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
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    IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
    Russia will not be the center of anything,

    But Russia with the CIS, and  China and India has a block of 2.5 billion or a little more than 1 out of every 4 people on this pale blue dot.

    Like I said, influential member of a bloc. China will be the center of that group. I do worry that Russia can get a fair shake with China. But there is no question China will be the leader of this bloc. Russia will be the mediator between India and China.

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    Post  par far Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:27 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".


    Maybe the Russian have not looked to liberate positions over 100km in phase 1.

    The Russians were able to supply weapons to Syria and Syria is more than 100 km away.

    When the time comes, there is no question that Russia can supply whatever whenever.

    Russia is the only country in the world that has programs in military study dedicated specifically to logistics.

    If this is the best that trolls can come up with, than you know Russia is doing it right.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:37 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

    According to whom exactly? share this source and I swear if its Twitter or some youtube channel your a moron.

    you make tons of BS claims, I call out the Russians fanboys and I'll call out western fanboys too.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:59 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
    Russia will not be the center of anything,

    But Russia with the CIS, and  China and India has a block of 2.5 billion or a little more than 1 out of every 4 people on this pale blue dot.

    Like I said, influential member of a bloc. China will be the center of that group. I do worry that Russia can get a fair shake with China. But there is no question China will be the leader of this bloc. Russia will be the mediator between India and China.

    It requires more to be influential in the world than economy and population although yes they are prerequisites

    It requires above all else the protection of your own interests, and protection of self determination for people anywhere

    Russia is more adept at this than China or India, hence why westerners say that we punch above our political "weight class"

    It's got nothing to do with raw numbers, and more the ability to create something in space that is left behind by retreating globalism/Liberalism

    Chinese have yet to produce a thinker like Dugin, which can challenge liberal heavyweights like Henri Bernard Levy

    In fact Russia has more positions in Africa than China due to its raw geopolitical experience

    Which China is still a Dwarf in , and it shows in the Himalayas, south pacific and east pacific

    While Russia will not be the center of anything, it will represent and does represent the second largest pole in the world after Globalist Liberalism

    Without a doubt Russki Mir has already shown itself as a viable pole, which China dreams of producing,

    We will see about Taiwan, but what Russia has done in Ukraine

    Shows the infancy of states like China, India, and the rest of global south in having a seat at the table

    Organizations like UN, will not decide anything

    Only cultural and historical power, roots, and the ability to shape your interests will decide whether you sit at the table or not

    And so far Putin, And thinkers like Dugin have succeeded where the Chinese have not
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    Post  LMFS Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:03 pm

    mnztr wrote:Russia will not be the center of anything,

    Russia is already the center of Eurasia, to start with...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:06 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Arrow wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Seems like arms shipments are being targeted again at the Lvov train depot. Several cruise missiles hit.
    Beautiful footage of that 2nd kalibre dropping out of the blue to smite the Orcs...  So good thumbsup

    edit: alternative footage that shows the two consecutive kalibre strikes.  Yeah baby....   Laughing
    Rob Lee must be consuming huge quantities of Copium these days. Laughing Laughing Laughing

    News: Odessa was hit by air launched cruise missiles according to fairly reliable sources on Shitter.

    It looks like a Lviv on the !8th wasn't the railway but an army base. A few juicy rail target there which may be where the new hits were.

    Interseting that each Kalibre generated different colour smoke.


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    It seems that the main target was a #UAarmy base!

    Miss-hit: 49°51'22.30"N, 23°59'5.40"E
    Target: 49°50'38.13"N, 23°59'21.56"E


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:09 pm

    Greater Russia is already being defined, and it goes beyond territorial claims, Russki Mir, is fighting the combined power of NATO and de facto absorbs Ukraine, the absence of NATO is a tacit admission that the Russian strategic nuclear forces did more in securing Russian interests, than Chinese conventional power, hence why CCP dashes for nuclear triad

    What is the Chinese vision for the world? They cannot even formulate it in their own western regions, let alone its near neighborhood with Philippines, Taiwan, and let us not talk of India

    Having a big economy and population is fine, but if you cannot shape your world as you see it, you will be subjected to the Liberal Universalist interpretation of events

    China doesn't support Russia at UN because it secretly pulls some strings

    But because it has to,

    Otherwise the Chinese will be overcome by Globalism

    Russia is the only thing cracking the whip right now

    Whether in Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Central Asia

    Z power is what creates the second pole

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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Interseting that each Kalibre generated different colour smoke.

    It all depends on what it hits.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:16 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:17 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

    It's pretty clear that the Russian withdrawal from around Kiev had nothing to do with any supply lines

    Nor the lack of any fast-tempo Russian advance now

    Absolutely no evidence that Russian forces have any problem with ammo, fuel, food, toilet paper or whatever

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:20 pm

    I think that Severodonetsk is effectively turning into the first proper Donbass cauldron (not counting Mariupol).

    They're cut off north, east and south. To the west they're about to be cut off in the Slavyansk direction (RU already present in Yampil for instance) and soon the only way in/out will be in the Soledar/Bakhmut direction. That entire area is in RU/LDNR arty range already though, and it's just open fields.

    It's either going to become a siege, or they will bail out soon. Difficult to say how much time they have left before it becomes a turkey shoot.

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    POW´s in Malinovka, includes a Croat.

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    Post  marcellogo Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:48 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

    Sorry but I will call this a colossal bullshit, not just because russian railroad troops (numbering 30000) coud build railways quite quickly but also because Ukraine is not the Sahara, the Amazon or even Mongolia: it's a largely popolated  country with a complete rail network, even in case of some sabotages there is not any problem into repairing them fast.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:50 pm

    Air raid sirens all over Ukraine again. Reports of cruise missile strikes already in multiple cities and towns.

    BTW, which Malinovka is referred to above? If it's Malinovka in Zaporozhe oblast, I guess Gulyaypole is next.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:06 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

    Ideas or claims with source of skepticism usually are formed from kind of a source of information. Just make sure, that this source is not your rear.

    So do you have any sources that this is the case?

    From what we have seen so far, the Russians have well working convoys for humanitarian aid which can only exist with secured military routes for logistics. That alone would indicate that they have working logistics.

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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:08 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    RTN wrote:Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

    Russian forces haven't been able to occupy any position >100km from a railhead, that they haven't had to retreat from within a few weeks. The only examples of positions further than that were the positions around Kyiv (both to NW and NE) and they retreated from both.

    Even with forward stockpiling.... Russian forces seem unable to go beyond 100km.

    If your forward stockpile is 100km from your railhead.... that doesn't ease the pressure on your trucks at all. You'd need one set of "a BTG worth of trucks" to keep supply for "one BTG" to the "interim base" and another to take it from there to the "front line".

    Sorry but I will call this a colossal bullshit, not just because russian railroad troops (numbering 30000) coud build railways quite quickly but also because Ukraine is not the Sahara, the Amazon or even Mongolia: it's a largely popolated  country with a complete rail network, even in case of some sabotages there is not any problem into repairing them fast.

    His bullshit is getting more and more desperate as we go along - just ignore him.

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