Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13

mnztr wrote:That is just physical location and mass.

That is "just" the reason why the West tries to finish them off for some centuries now... just Russian location and size makes them a (if not THE) prime intrinsic world power

A footage of combat from the Ukrainian side

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2654

You can see a small shrapnel explosion in the air part-way through the video and the fighter with his comrade both get hit

What was that? A mortar shell with a proximity fuse?

"In Bryansk, a large fire near the Druzhba oil depot.

The flames can be seen from different parts of the city. Witnesses report hearing explosions before."


https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44902

Locals say that they heard explosions beforehand. I give bigger chance to sabotage. Bryansk is not that close to the border.

flamming_python wrote:A footage of combat from the Ukrainian side

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2654

You can see a small shrapnel explosion in the air part-way through the video and the fighter with his comrade both get hit

What was that? A mortar shell with a proximity fuse?

Time or proxility fuze. Explose above the target so that shrapnels cover a maxiu area. If it hits the ground lots of shrapnels won't fly away and stay at impact point.

The same way nuclear weapons work.

Read some western media horror stories about civilian bodies retrieved from Bucha being full of small metal darts, ie fleschettes.

They may have inadvertedly proven that it was the Ukrainians that killed them. Fleschettes are present in some Soviet-era anti-personnel arty munitions, and the Ukrainians have been using them against Donbass before, several times back in 2014-2015 for instance.

Ukrainians shelled Bucha on March 16th and onwards, until the Russian withdrawal.

To my knowledge, the Russian forces north of Kiev did not operate any large-caliber artillery at all.

https://www.rt.com/russia/554454-oil-depot-on-fire/

Oil depot on fire in Russian city.

The fire broke out on Monday night at an oil depot in Russia's Bryansk, a city in the Rostov region. Local residents report that explosions were heard. Sirens can be heard in social media videos.

According to locals, explosions and fire occurred in several districts of Bryansk.

Emergency services began to evacuate residents of houses near the burning oil depot.

The Ministry of Emergency Situations confirmed the fact of ignition. Officials have not yet commented on the causes of the incident.

The distance from Bryansk to the border with Ukraine is 154 km.

"if attacks from Ukraine on Russian territory continue to persist, we may have to declare war" .....

The sad thing about the Kremlin's empty threats and appeasement of the Ukranian elite is the fact that Putin and cadre are comfy inside the Kremlin, and it's the Russian people, the every day man that pays the real price. Not to be unexpected when a criminal like Gorvachev lives his retirement peacefully after destroying historical Russia with a pen. Crazy political culture.

Should we look forward to the Ukranian elite cleansing.... or more of the same.... "everything is under control", "everything is going according to plan", "Ukrops are desperate, that means Russia shouldn't do x, y or z", "this means we're winning"....

"A provocatse...... we musn't stray away from our wise masterplan. We must endure these trials to succeed against the combined evil West"

How fucking moronic do you have to be. "Two Things Are Infinite: the Universe and Human Stupidity" - Albert the Grey.

ATLASCUB wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/554454-oil-depot-on-fire/

Oil depot on fire in Russian city.

The fire broke out on Monday night at an oil depot in Russia's Bryansk, a city in the Rostov region. Local residents report that explosions were heard. Sirens can be heard in social media videos.

According to locals, explosions and fire occurred in several districts of Bryansk.

Emergency services began to evacuate residents of houses near the burning oil depot.

The Ministry of Emergency Situations confirmed the fact of ignition. Officials have not yet commented on the causes of the incident.

The distance from Bryansk to the border with Ukraine is 154 km.

"if attacks from Ukraine on Russian territory continue to persist, we may have to declare war" .....

The sad thing about the Kremlin's empty threats and appeasement of the Ukranian elite is the fact that Putin and cadre are comfy inside the Kremlin, and it's the Russian people, the every day man that pays the real price. Not to be unexpected when a criminal like Gorvachev lives his retirement peacefully after destroying historical Russia with a pen. Crazy political culture.

If one wants to live through said retirement peacefully, one has to toe the line while in power.

According to history of weapons tg group there's more than one fire in Bryansk, at the moment.
https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/58072?single
ColonelCassad says two fires after explosions.

caveat emptor wrote:According to history of weapons tg group there's more than one fire in Bryansk, at the moment.
https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/58072?single
ColonelCassad says two fires after explosions.

I just saw a few videos, looks to me like there are at least three different locations on fire, not sure how far away from the border this is, could they have launched a bunch of successful tochka hits?

Withdrawal from the border areas of Ukraine that RA controlled, was always going to give them free reign to attack Russia proper, not sure this was wise.

Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Doesn't matter if it's a rocket attack, a ballistic missile, a sabotage operation or a blunt on a catapult.

Any self respecting nation goes after the leadership responsible for these actions. There are no 6D chess considerations or dirty games...

Full stop you put a bullet in their heads and that creates the ultimate deterrent.

Not that the Kremlin needed ANY excuse to bury and regime change the Ukranian elite which should have happened within the first week of this operation (2014 to be even more precise). The Ukranian elite, obviously realizing their necks were not on the line after the Istanbul deal/"Kievian feint"/failed intimidation attempt are comfy in their calculated assessments to step it up a notch, bit by bit. Obviously their backers would love to see the Kremlin trying to take a reinforced Kiev.... a bloody nightmare. Since the Kremlin, now having lost the surprise factor, refuses, kicking and screaming, to do so, under the veil of some "master plan".... refusing to do what is necessary.... due to fears of how messy it may become then it's settled as to why these sabotage operations and attacks exist, will continue to exist, and may intensify, in nature of the targets and in the recurrence.

Don't want to take the Ukranian leadership out? Fine then. Here is what happens when you don't.

Explain to your people why you're failing to protect them. Scratch that, BS them to death.... it has worked fine, sadly.

The two huge fires in Bryansk: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44912

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Uragan, except it has a GPS guided long range rocket which I'm not sure Uragan also has.

ATLASCUB wrote:Doesn't matter it's a rocket attack, a ballistic missile, a sabotage operation or a blunt on a catapult.

Any self respecting nation goes after the leadership responsible for these actions. There are no 6D chess considerations or dirty games...

Full stop you put a bullet in their heads and that creates the ultimate deterrent.

Not that the Kremlin needed ANY excuse to bury and regime change the Ukranian elite which should have happened within the first week of this operation. The Ukranian elite, obviously realizing their necks were not on the line after the Istanbul deal/"feint"/failed intimidation attempt are comfy in their calculated assessments to step it up a notch, bit by bit. Obviously their backers would love to see the Kremlin trying to take a reinforced Kiev.... a bloody nightmare. Since the Kremlin, now having lost the surprise factor refuses, kicking and screaming, to do what is necessary due to how messy it may become then it's settled as to why these sabotage operations and attacks exist, will continue to exist, and may intensify, in nature of the targets and in the recurrence.

Don't want to take the Ukranian leadership out? Fine then. Explain to your people why you're failing to protect them. Scratch that, BS them to death.... it has worked fine.

Kiev will be taken but the operation will escalated step by step

The leadership can't be touched, that would lose Russia it's diplomatic cover from the countries that abstained on the UN vote, and other extremists will simply replace them.

I'm wondering why, if it were missiles, the air defense systems didn't work, and why the missile systems haven't been taken out in advance. It's a hard job but a lot depends on it.
If it were saboteurs - then weren't the sites secured.

You're a good troll not gonna lie. With that said...

diabetus wrote:

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Uragan, except it has a GPS guided long range rocket which I'm not sure Uragan also has.

Uragan has a 200km rocket with Glonass under testing. Not sure how far it is from acceptance. Stil, HIMARS isn't exactly operational equivalent.

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Using HIMARS is not rocket science (no pun intended). Essentially an MLRS system, point and shoot. I don't know if Ukraine is getting the guided version or not. That and the ballistic missile variant (ATACMS) would require more training.

Closest Russian equivalents would be the 9A52-4 Tornado, namely 9М542, and Uragan.

You can assume if something like HIMARS was used for precision strikes in Russia, embedded US assets would be doing the operating, or would be giving commands in real-time via video link.

flamming_python wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Doesn't matter it's a rocket attack, a ballistic missile, a sabotage operation or a blunt on a catapult.

Any self respecting nation goes after the leadership responsible for these actions. There are no 6D chess considerations or dirty games...

Full stop you put a bullet in their heads and that creates the ultimate deterrent.

Not that the Kremlin needed ANY excuse to bury and regime change the Ukranian elite which should have happened within the first week of this operation. The Ukranian elite, obviously realizing their necks were not on the line after the Istanbul deal/"feint"/failed intimidation attempt are comfy in their calculated assessments to step it up a notch, bit by bit. Obviously their backers would love to see the Kremlin trying to take a reinforced Kiev.... a bloody nightmare. Since the Kremlin, now having lost the surprise factor refuses, kicking and screaming, to do what is necessary due to how messy it may become then it's settled as to why these sabotage operations and attacks exist, will continue to exist, and may intensify, in nature of the targets and in the recurrence.

Don't want to take the Ukranian leadership out? Fine then. Explain to your people why you're failing to protect them. Scratch that, BS them to death.... it has worked fine.

Kiev will be taken but the operation will escalated step by step

The leadership can't be touched, that would lose Russia it's diplomatic cover from the countries that abstained on the UN vote, and other extremists will simply replace them.

I'm wondering why, if it were missiles, the air defense systems didn't work, and why the missile systems haven't been taken out in advance. It's a hard job but a lot depends on it.
If it were saboteurs - then weren't the sites secured.

That's all fine. But i  still wonder about two things. Why is Kremenchug refinery still operational and why there's uninterrupted railway traffic through whole Ukraine. Choke points are bridges over Dnepr and they should have been out long time ago. Let's not pretend there's some 4D chess at play. It's basic and logical move.

zorobabel wrote:

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Using HIMARS is not rocket science (no pun intended). Essentially an MLRS system, point and shoot. I don't know if Ukraine is getting the guided version or not. That and the ballistic missile variant (ATACMS) would require more training.

Closest Russian equivalents would be the 9A52-4 Tornado, namely 9М542, and Uragan.

You can assume if something like HIMARS was used for precision strikes in Russia, embedded US assets would be doing the operating, or would be giving commands in real-time via video link.

All you need for himars is a 10 digit MGRS grid....

He just made that shit up on the fly so as to muddy the waters and damage control. Gets the convo outside to a domain that makes a Kremlin refusal to act acceptable.

Russian allies support is not conditional on "no regime change" lmao

People still can't get how the likes of python operate. I mean many have smelled it....multiple times ready to cast the "defeatist" out..... but can't quite settle it in their brains. It's funny to watch, and I'm sure he's had a laugh or two at the sheeple here.

caveat emptor wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Bryansk is about 100 kilometers from the border. We shouldn't forget that HIMARS is now in Ukraine, as well. It has longer range than Tochka U. I hope they didn't manage to penetrate that deep with helis like in Belgorod.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

Uragan, except it has a GPS guided long range rocket which I'm not sure Uragan also has.

Uragan has a 200km rocket with Glonass under testing. Not sure how far it is from acceptance. Stil,l HIMARS isn't exactly operational equivalent.

Smerch does, or Tornado-S. Not uragan.

ATLASCUB wrote:He just made that shit up on the fly so as to muddy the waters and damage control. Gets the convo outside to a domain that makes a Kremlin refusal to act acceptable.

Russian allies support is not conditional on "no regime change" lmao

People still can't get how the likes of python operate. I mean many have smelled it....multiple times ready to cast the "defeatist" out..... but can't quite settle it in their brains. It's funny to watch, and I'm sure he's had a laugh or two at the sheeple here.

No, it's just common sense and basic principles of international affairs.

Don't kill the leaders of sovereign states. Yes I know it happened to Gadaffi. But with Assad, the West never dared to try it.

Besides, Zelensky still has that capitulation agreement to sign.

As for the rest of your post - you're the one who's a defeatist, some Strelkov-style critic. Doing more harm than good unfortunately. Let the Kremlin decide how to respond, where to respond and so on. They know the facts and have done the calculations better than you.
In my mind, this is a military/security f-up more than a political one. Or was the military counting on Putin's threats being taken seriously? Nevertheless we don't even know what caused these explosions as yet.

Weren't you crying about this operation ever taking place for 8 years straight? Full stop lobbying it should never happen etc... damage controlling non-stop along the official Kremlin line... even after the operation started, in an attempt to keep persona consistency you riled about evil, "bastard" Putin killing Ukrainians indiscriminately? Then perform a 180 when the sheeple didn't take the bait....and attempted to cast you out as a "defeatist"...... so now, to survive with this account it's all about letting the Kremlin do the right thing and being a "fake Russian patriot"...

Lmao...I know you're trolling, and these folks, as dumb as they're, digest it, hook line and sinker...and this just what you do... flip flopping being part of the script to stay in the game, taking folks for a ride on a never ending, fruitless loop to make sure these sheeple stay as dumb as rock.



My opinion: Get a new burner account. This one is past due, too abused.