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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There is one CCTV video supposedly showing the moment one of the Bryansk fires started, and the explosion is preceded by a whining noise, like an incoming missile/rocket.
If it is indeed from Bryansk, then it definitely was an "external" attack.
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limb wrote:So how many more months for kramatorsk and slavyansk to be taken?
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flamming_python wrote:limb wrote:So how many more months for kramatorsk and slavyansk to be taken?
They're doing a pincer from the Kharkov direction centred on Slavyansk/Kramatorsk it looks like, with the Ukrainian forces north of Slavyansk coming under encirclement
I'd say 2-3 more days until the pincer is completed. How long it would take to clear the towns themselves - dunno.
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
As long as the Ukrainians stay in their many fortifications, they can be attacked at a distance until worn out, and that shouldn't take too long.
But if they retreat into the city itself and start hanging out in apartment complexes etc, it'll be a drawn out affair.
Arrow wrote:Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There is one CCTV video supposedly showing the moment one of the Bryansk fires started, and the explosion is preceded by a whining noise, like an incoming missile/rocket.
If it is indeed from Bryansk, then it definitely was an "external" attack.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1518466556535136261
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ALAMO wrote:flamming_python wrote:
This 'agony' I fear may go on even until the last Ukrainian male is unable to fight, and they start fitting suicide belts to women and children. There is nothing to 'win' in this war. Russia hasn't come up with anything clever so far
There is a total turn to the far-right and Banderization in the Ukraine now.
It's inaccurate to say it was like this over the past years; since the end of the 1st war they moved the extremism and many of the extremists to under the surface or at most to the Donbass as it all interfered with society and public image. But all this stuff is rapidly being resurfaced now and given complete reign over the country.
Oh, the wrong pill, again?
You still didn't answer about the alternative.
What alternative had Russia, after 8 years of continuous struggle putting Ukraine into political resolve?
You play with the cards you have, not the ones you would like to get.
404 was turned into Banderastan already, banderization was proceeding rapidly, and each day they would be getting stronger only.
It was not the Russian invasion that turned it on.
They are zombified already, 8 years is a whole elementary school period. There is a generation raised with the daily load of bullshit applied. A few pages back, you have a cartoon presented to the school kids. Take a look at the school books they have there, how are the classes arranged, and what is being presented to the young ones.
There is a funny YT channel with a guy who trolls Ukrs on chat roulette :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuK31IQrgoL9J-wrzBOkdaw
Pacan is fantastic, but aside from a good dose of humor, listen carefully to his interlocutors. Sure he picked the "best" ones, still, it gives some impression.
We might have loughted hearing that Jesus was a Ukrainian, or that they have invented the wheel, etc.
But in reality, it is not funny.
It is a creation of a nation based on lies. Tons of them are applied daily.
Lies and the worst form of nationalism, instructing them not on how to improve their county, but rather how to destroy the others.
They is no more Ukraine. There is Galichina and occupied territories that must be set free. What will be the fate of the remaining Galichina, is another story. And frankly speaking, I don't give a fuk.
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owais.usmani wrote:Arrow wrote:Dr.Snufflebug wrote:There is one CCTV video supposedly showing the moment one of the Bryansk fires started, and the explosion is preceded by a whining noise, like an incoming missile/rocket.
If it is indeed from Bryansk, then it definitely was an "external" attack.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1518466556535136261
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This video pretty much confirms that this was a definite missile strike in Bryansk.
There was a time when many of us including me used to think that any attack on Russian mainland by NATO or its accomplices would instantly trigger a nuclear response. I guess its pretty clear now that is not how it is working. So expect many more attacks on Russian soil in the coming days and weeks.
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limb wrote:So how many more months for kramatorsk and slavyansk to be taken?
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limb wrote:Can someone with civil engineering experience explain the nature of ukrainian uber fortifications in avdeevka and the gorlovka outskirts? Am I to understand that these fortifications are so strong that not even 1500kg aviation bombs, TOS-1, 2S7s, calibres, iskanders, tyulpans, etc can destroy them and kill their inhabitants? Is the spirit of bandera keeping them intact and creating an energy shield that makes them impenetrable to assault to such an extent that russians and DLNPR troops keep getting repulsed when they attack them?
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owais.usmani wrote:
There was a time when many of us including me used to think that any attack on Russian mainland by NATO or its accomplices would instantly trigger a nuclear response. I guess its pretty clear now that is not how it is working. So expect many more attacks on Russian soil in the coming days and weeks.
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nomadski wrote:
Some observations :
( 1 ) Irrespective of the Ukrainian ideology , Russia had to respond , as anyone else would . Tribal warfare , identity politics , the curse of humanity .
( 2 ) Ukrainian conscripts are legitimate targets ? But their Nazi leadership is not ? " because they will be replaced ? " I always weed my Garden , for new growth !
( 3 ) If video is true , then sounds like air-strike in Bryansk ! If American missiles reaching Russia , then Russian missiles ( by Yemen , Syrian , Belarusian ) can reach ...
( 4 ) Good to see Rail being taken out , together with power generation . Roads can be taken out by cluster " aircraft Runway denial " munitions .
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limb wrote:Can someone with civil engineering experience explain the nature of ukrainian uber fortifications in avdeevka and the gorlovka outskirts? Am I to understand that these fortifications are so strong that not even 1500kg aviation bombs, TOS-1, 2S7s, calibres, iskanders, tyulpans, etc can destroy them and kill their inhabitants? Is the spirit of bandera keeping them intact and creating an energy shield that makes them impenetrable to assault to such an extent that russians and DLNPR troops keep getting repulsed when they attack them?
That list of Oblasts keeps growing. I think eventually these guys will end up like the Polish government in exile. Or at best like Taiwan who still claims Mongolia as part of the ROC.flamming_python wrote:Ukraine will liberate Kherson, Zaporizhzhya regions, Donbass and Crimea from Russian troops.
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Serberus wrote:limb wrote:Can someone with civil engineering experience explain the nature of ukrainian uber fortifications in avdeevka and the gorlovka outskirts? Am I to understand that these fortifications are so strong that not even 1500kg aviation bombs, TOS-1, 2S7s, calibres, iskanders, tyulpans, etc can destroy them and kill their inhabitants? Is the spirit of bandera keeping them intact and creating an energy shield that makes them impenetrable to assault to such an extent that russians and DLNPR troops keep getting repulsed when they attack them?
Judging by the photos and videos yesterday and others previously, of dead Nazis and the almost complete destruction of their fortified positions , all those weapons you listed seem to be doing a fine job of it. Seems to me its more a case of Russia and DNR attacking sporadically and lauching probing attacks, because anywhere where they have hit them hard so far, the Wehrmacht have folded rather than being able to repulse the attacks. Why are they doing this piecemeal and not going on an all out offensive after two months of preperations? … your guess is as good as mine.
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Serberus wrote:limb wrote:Can someone with civil engineering experience explain the nature of ukrainian uber fortifications in avdeevka and the gorlovka outskirts? Am I to understand that these fortifications are so strong that not even 1500kg aviation bombs, TOS-1, 2S7s, calibres, iskanders, tyulpans, etc can destroy them and kill their inhabitants? Is the spirit of bandera keeping them intact and creating an energy shield that makes them impenetrable to assault to such an extent that russians and DLNPR troops keep getting repulsed when they attack them?
Judging by the photos and videos yesterday and others previously, of dead Nazis and the almost complete destruction of their fortified positions , all those weapons you listed seem to be doing a fine job of it. Seems to me its more a case of Russia and DNR attacking sporadically and lauching probing attacks, because anywhere where they have hit them hard so far, the Wehrmacht have folded rather than being able to repulse the attacks. Why are they doing this piecemeal and not going on an all out offensive after two months of preperations? … your guess is as good as mine.
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Serberus wrote:
Judging by the photos and videos yesterday and others previously, of dead Nazis and the almost complete destruction of their fortified positions , all those weapons you listed seem to be doing a fine job of it. Seems to me its more a case of Russia and DNR attacking sporadically and lauching probing attacks, because anywhere where they have hit them hard so far, the Wehrmacht have folded rather than being able to repulse the attacks. Why are they doing this piecemeal and not going on an all out offensive after two months of preperations? … your guess is as good as mine.
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