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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:50 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Hole wrote:They´re using "dumb" weapons. But why fly all the way to Lviv to drop some FAB-500´s if you can use a Kaliber missile? It all depends on the target and where it is.

    There is no need to risk ambush by AD, NATO has constant airspace monitoring over Western Ukraine and even if the bulk of Ukrainian SAMs are destroyed, a few Buks scattered around and properly cued are still perfectly capable of steadily shooting Russian planes down, which will lead to non acceptable losses in a war that can continue for months and years. Low flying, small CMs are indeed more expensive than dumb bombs, but very difficult to counter for everything but a very dense AD network and still cheap enough for Russia to keep producing them indefinitely. In any case, Russians are not in a rush and proceeding slower allows them to get good intelligence and concentrate on priority targets for a better economy of resources. Basically they have no problem with this approach, but indeed countering NATO surveillance by DEW (what about really powerful land based microwave sources used vs AWACS), EW or stealthier aircraft would be a good improvement and allow a faster degradation of the enemy capabilities. Some of Russia's projects (like Kh-50, Kh-69, Su-57, LTS or PAK-DA for instance) make more and more sense considering this kind of proxy wars vs. NATO that form the context in which Russia will likely need to fight from now onwards.

    Constant airspace monitoring? Either the AWACS are shit or there is not much left to send data to. They don´t even try to shot incoming cruise missiles down. Propably because as soon as an AD system turns its radar on it is destroyed.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:50 pm

    That was the whole point the US's abortive OICW program. They figured out a timed explosive grenade launcher was highly useful. But they could never get the cost down to make the thing viable.

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:57 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:58 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:00 pm

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    Soon the Volkssturm will use bows and arrows
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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:01 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:02 pm

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    The poor dudes were busy digging trenches, then the drone guided the artillery strike onto their positions.

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    Post  diabetus Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:07 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14 - Page 16 Frburt10
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    Still need that breach in the lines.

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    Post  ult Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:16 pm

    Yet another photo of destroyed tb2. 2 yesterday, 1 today.

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    Post  Ispan Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:37 pm

    Today's report and a compilation of news sources and analysis

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/noticias-de-la-guerra-28-04-2022-informes-noticias-y-analisis/

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    Post  Mir Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:01 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Old pics.

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    Post  par far Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:24 pm

    In Canada, there are reports that property and accounts of Russians that live in Canada are going to be seized, this will likely happen all over the collective west.






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    Post  ludovicense Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:44 pm

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    Downed TB2 in Kherson Oblast.

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    The reputation of Turkish drones was thrown in the garbage can.... they are dropped like rotten apples on the tree....

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:48 pm

    par far wrote:In Canada, there are reports that property and accounts of Russians that live in Canada are going to be seized, this will likely happen all over the collective west.


    External Debt in Russia decreased to 453.50 USD Billion in the first quarter of 2022


    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/external-debt

    I guess Russia shall cancel her debt then.


    The Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of the Ukrainian launcher "Tochki-U"

    https://ria.ru/20220428/tochka-u-1786026973.html

    MOSCOW, April 28 - RIA Novosti. The Russian military destroyed the launcher of the Ukrainian Tochka-U missile system, Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said.
    "During the day, the missile forces destroyed the Ukrainian launcher of the Tochka-U tactical missile system, and defeated two areas where manpower and military equipment were concentrated," he said. The air defense forces shot down three Tochka-Us over the villages of Petropole and Malaya Kamyshevakha during the day, the general added. In addition, they destroyed seven drones - in the area of ​​​​Bukin, Topolsky, Russian Tishki in the Kharkiv region , Redkodub and Maryevka in the DPR , Naugolny in the LPR and Chernobaevka in the Kherson region .

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:48 pm

    Bay-REKT-ar, amirite?

    Bad jokes aside, like any medium-sized, medium-ranged UCAV they certainly have their use, but it's not the almighty wunderwaffe some of its fanboys claim, and it is a waste of money vs an opponent with proper AD.

    I think a lot of people were fooled by Nagorno-Karabakh and the blown-up Pantsirs in Libya (which were all inactive), and thought that this particular UCAV was a total gamechanger.

    They of course decided not to dwell on the ones immediately shot down when even basic company-level AD was active.

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:08 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Bay-REKT-ar, amirite?

    Bad jokes aside, like any medium-sized, medium-ranged UCAV they certainly have their use, but it's not the almighty wunderwaffe some of its fanboys claim, and it is a waste of money vs an opponent with proper AD.

    I think a lot of people were fooled by Nagorno-Karabakh and the blown-up Pantsirs in Libya (which were all inactive), and thought that this particular UCAV was a total gamechanger.

    They of course decided not to dwell on the ones immediately shot down when even basic company-level AD was active.

    Exactly that... the performance of Turkish drones was being sold by specialist as a watershed in modern wars.... I particularly always doubted the drones against dense anti-aircraft defenses given their vulnerabilities, even being able to be hacked as happened in the case of the drone American who was captured by Iran.

    Russia destroyed the pride of the Turkish defense industry.....

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:13 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Bay-REKT-ar, amirite?

    Bad jokes aside, like any medium-sized, medium-ranged UCAV they certainly have their use, but it's not the almighty wunderwaffe some of its fanboys claim, and it is a waste of money vs an opponent with proper AD.

    I think a lot of people were fooled by Nagorno-Karabakh and the blown-up Pantsirs in Libya (which were all inactive), and thought that this particular UCAV was a total gamechanger.

    They of course decided not to dwell on the ones immediately shot down when even basic company-level AD was active.

    Exactly that... the performance of Turkish drones was being sold by specialist as a watershed in modern wars.... I particularly always doubted the drones against dense anti-aircraft defenses given their vulnerabilities, even being able to be hacked as happened in the case of the drone American who was captured by Iran.

    Russia destroyed the pride of the Turkish defense industry.....

    It was always a silly notion that Drones was gonna replace manned aircraft. I argued about this years ago when people said for Russia to replace manned planes with Drones.

    No, supplement the AF with drones but not replace pilots.

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:14 pm

    ludovicense wrote:Aldin 🇧🇦
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    Downed TB2 in Kherson Oblast.

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    The reputation of Turkish drones was thrown in the garbage can.... they are dropped like rotten apples on the tree....

    The No. 1 danger of them is hitting something when crashing to the ground. Very Happy

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:16 pm

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    White House fact-sheet says part of the mammoth $33 billion spending package it's requesting for Ukraine will be to "support independent media." Because nothing screams "independent" like being directly funded by the US Government as part of its "information warfare" initiative

    ................

    The black hole grows endless..... but remember not everything is going for it.
    There's a new generation of multimillionaires being built with the American taxpayer's money.....someday someone will wake up there and start screaming.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:18 pm

    Kiev is being cruise missiled hard right now.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:21 pm

    RIA Novosti; 04/28/2022 19:54 (updated: 04/28/2022 20:52)

    The Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of the Ukrainian launcher "Tochka-U"

    The Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of the Ukrainian launcher "Tochka-U"


    OPEN THE LINK FOR THE VIDEO ..... https://ria.ru/20220428/tochka-u-1786026973.html

    MOSCOW, April 28 - RIA Novosti. The Russian military destroyed the launcher of the Ukrainian Tochka-U missile system, Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said.
    "During the day, the missile forces destroyed the Ukrainian launcher of the Tochka-U tactical missile system, and defeated two areas where manpower and military equipment were concentrated," he said.

    The air defense forces shot down three Tochka-Us over the villages of Petropole and Malaya Kamyshevakha during the day, the general added. In addition, they destroyed seven drones - in the area of ​​​​Bukin, Topolsky, Russian Tishki in the Kharkiv region, Redkodub and Maryevka in the DPR, Naugolny in the LPR and Chernobaevka in the Kherson region.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:26 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Kiev is being cruise missiled hard right now.

    A lot of Russian cruise dildos hit the Banderistan shithole capitol ? Nice !
    As long as there are Nazis in that city, that city is NAZI-shithole.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:33 pm


    So how about these UK/EU converted " ambulances," to be sent soon to front-line? Are they really carrying the wounded? Or are they delivering ammo and collecting info? Should they be allowed to pass, or not? I think they can bring the wounded to Russian controlled area, and set up hospital there, under ICRC supervision. Otherwise should not pass?

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