Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

Broski wrote:

Azi wrote:Nobody was born a Nazi! Ukrainians were, are and will remain brothers and sisters of the Russian people. 

Only in the South and East, most of the Ukrops to the North and West are indistinguishable from your average Polack or Georgian in mentality. They hate Russia and will always blame Russians for all their shortcomings in life. 

They are so Russophobic at the moment (not all) because they have been fed Western and Nazi propaganda for 20 years.

They're Russophobic because they have no real identity or history of their own. What is the Ukraine? Kievan Rus was Russian, not Ukrainian. They call Russians mongoloids while they have Azov men who look like Neanderthals addressing the Greek parliament. They are mostly a lost and hopeless people and the worst thing Russia could do is try to Russify them, it didn't work in Soviet times and it won't work now. Crush them militarily and leave them to wallow in shit.

The people in Ukraine's east and south are like that because they are mostly of non-Ukrainian origin, not because they are "more resistant to the propaganda."


I have to strongly disagree about the "Polack mentality" part:



https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html



You are incorrectly equating the German-Ukrainian run government of Poland, with the Polish people.


Those "Azov" shits are unbelievable, they mass murder ethnic Greeks, and then they address the parliament of Greece.


Scum-bags think they own the world.

lyle6 wrote:Russian vehicles make use of prominent grouping markers: those massive Zs, Vs, Os are IFF for their aircraft. Not even the intact vehicles have them.

Also, if this was a failed Russian crossing then what's stopping the Ukrainians from sending in a recon squad for some photo-ops on their side of the river?

On the 2nd photo there's a BMP with an O marking.

The paint of the markings was most likely burnt out on most of the vehicles.

A puzzle to me is that there are few if any shell craters. Why?

JohninMK wrote:A puzzle to me is that there are few if any shell craters. Why?

Probably destroyed by ATGMs.
It's also unclear if all the vehicles were destroyed at the same time.

Also it could've just been a Russian pyrrhic victory.

0nillie0 wrote:Some of the wrecks look like BMP-2, MT-LB & various T-72B variants. What is the Ukranian narrative about this?

*edit*

If it looks like a botched river crossing, it probably IS a botched river crossing.


It would be interesting to see if this is the only one they where able to stop, or if there are more. I am sure the Russians would not put all their money on a single crossing attempt.
If the Russians did establish a bridgehead, then it does not bode well for the remaining Ukranian forces, even if they did a good job repelling this specific crossing.

Ukrainian narrative is something I tend to ignore as they are "WINNING SO BIG THAT THEY ARE GETTING TIRED OF WINNING". Unfortunately, they are the one providing videos and pictures most of the time - 10 or 20 times less than Russians.

What we see is a river crossing that was ambushed maybe, but it doesn't look recent and this is why I am wondering. It wouldn't be the first time Ukrainians pulled out old pictures/footage. It still makes me angry - it stinks of US intel being provided.

JohninMK wrote:A puzzle to me is that there are few if any shell craters. Why?

Same, only few hits on the bridge itself. Makes me think it was a direct ambush as it was the tank brigade who posted this. Would be good to send some Ka-52/Mi-28 to comb the area.

Regular wrote:

0nillie0 wrote:Some of the wrecks look like BMP-2, MT-LB & various T-72B variants. What is the Ukranian narrative about this?

*edit*

If it looks like a botched river crossing, it probably IS a botched river crossing.


It would be interesting to see if this is the only one they where able to stop, or if there are more. I am sure the Russians would not put all their money on a single crossing attempt.
If the Russians did establish a bridgehead, then it does not bode well for the remaining Ukranian forces, even if they did a good job repelling this specific crossing.

Ukrainian narrative is something I tend to ignore as they are "WINNING SO BIG THAT THEY ARE GETTING TIRED OF WINNING". Unfortunately, they are the one providing videos and pictures most of the time - 10 or 20 times less than Russians.

What we see is a river crossing that was ambushed maybe, but it doesn't look recent and this is why I am wondering. It wouldn't be the first time Ukrainians pulled out old pictures/footage. It still makes me angry - it stinks of US intel being provided.

JohninMK wrote:A puzzle to me is that there are few if any shell craters. Why?

Same, only few hits on the bridge itself. Makes me think it was a direct ambush as it was the tank brigade who posted this. Would be good to send some Ka-52/Mi-28 to comb the area.

American intel is a known commodity by now. Every commander would have to plan accordingly. 
I think that decision to leave railways intact is proving very costly for Russians. Sasha Kots and another guy that's stationed in Izyum said that after Ukrainians using less artillery, are back to business as normal since last week. 
This war is on Russians to lose. All this bs about "using only 20% of the army" or "we don't destroy civilian infrastructure is garbage".
I think that, at the end, they will end up sending much more manpower and hitting all crosings on Dnepr. Same like with other stuff. 
Kharkov is one to watch. Is it a real withdrawal or a trap? We should see very soon.

flamming_python wrote:I don't buy that this is some major ambush or whatever

Yeah it's in theory possible to pull off with artillery but that would have to be insanely bad luck, and Russian incompetence as well to not drive the vehicles apart

Probably some intel manipulation

Or just destroyed Ukrainian stuff. Again, it was their pontoon bridges that were being struck yesterday.

At this point of war and aerial dominance that should be true. 
I wouldn't call it bad luck, but definite incompetence.
Is there a video of this, cause i don't trust pictures much? They can be easily manipulated.

One more thing. I think that dinosaur thinking from MoD combined with penny pinching from ministry of finance is also showing consequences. Not having enough strike drones makes it harder to counter shoot and scoot tactics of Ukrainian artillery.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1524214560252735491

It may not be about fuel availability.

These electric engines are often very quiet, as they produce much less noise.

They could be used by their special forces for surprise attacks, and also for conducting reconnaissance.

Why on earth do people here continue contributing to ukie cheap FUD propaganda is beyond me

It is a fucking war for god's sake, it is not the end of the world each time a tank gets hit, even if it was not fake, which is the per default category in which to place ANYTHING the nazis in ukria and beyond say, by simple criteria of prudence based on continuous in your face lying

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well one needs to ask where this would be, where are rivers in Ukraine the Russians would need to be crossing in the donbass area?.

If Ukraine is truly on the defensive as everyone claims, they would not be building bridges.

So giving right now Russia is the one trying to advance, This would be a fair judge to be russian armor.

The only place this could be if it was Ukie armor is Khakrov where the Russians are being pushed back.

end of the day only clueless bootlicker fanboys will defend this lack of deployed manpower, you can still advance slow and bring in big numbers, and having reserve forces allows you to take advantage of exploited enemy positioning.

But spin all you want the end of the day, this war will go on longer than necessary because of it

It goes on longer because the US continues to supply Ukraine with weapons to commit suicide with

And there's no spin, Russia isn't going to fight this war how the US wants it to

Russia is fighting to its own time scale

As for Kharkov, the score is well known, Russia isn't going to go into a city to smoke civilians

Ukros can setup all they want, but according to pictures those are the consequences

Ergo, great idea to let them come out and get smoked

Argantinaguard wrote " What are you talking about? The West has nothing to do within Russia's sphere of influence and put its national security at risk. It is a criminal act. " suppose that this war started as a result of the usual causes of tribal warfare , over diminishing food resources or failed agriculture , as is the case in many countries . Then interventions by outsiders to expand their influence , by taking sides , or proxy wars , would be considered normal . It is after all , part of the natural world , that all creatures share . Killing and being killed , procreation .

But this conflict did not result normally , but as you say criminally , by outside influences . There was no famine or good reason for ethnic conflict . But once it started , then everyone had to do , what they came to do , as though it was another normal event . Since , from their view-point , the expansion of forces from one side , a direct competitor and adversary to them , is far more important , than the ideological retardation of their proxy . It is a crime yes , but the main crime , was how they started it . Like the flase - flag of 9/11 . But once " America " was attacked , then "America had to act " and go to war , as though it was justified . The main crime , was the initial one .

I dont' know if it was posted before...?

A teenager died from ukrainian shelling in a russian village southwest from Belgorod....6 other person are injured (a teenager seriously).

M777 starting to appear

Ukraine Weapons Tracker
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#Ukraine: We also can get a brief look at what ammunition is being used with Ukrainian M777A2 howitzers - M795 and M549A1 RAP projectiles with impressive ranges of 22.5 km and 30km+ for the latter due to the presence of a rocket motor.





https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1524474300874604545

Azi wrote:I dont' know if it was posted before...?

A teenager died from ukrainian shelling in a russian village southwest from Belgorod....6 other person are injured (a teenager seriously).

so where da **** is this "response" promised by Moscow?

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1524214560252735491

And electrical energy to load batteries  will be provided by diesel generators huh?

Just a map to show ranges for future reference. Nothing confirmed

Def Mon
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If the rumors about Ternova is true. Then UA forces have the railway bridge by Shebekino in artillery range. Plus a few other bridge. There is also a hydroelectric dam. They can also cover the railroad supply pretty good.





Def Mon
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Izium is in range too. It could actually be cut off if they start hitting the bridges. The only working road bridge in to Izium has been repaired.

It was promised about a month ago more or less. Fluff and empty threats till this very day. The Ukranians are applying the Yemeny houthi playbook more or less. So that ship will continue to sail.

Also:

But the Kremlin spokesman insisted Russia was not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine and said it was "not true" that it was demanding Kyiv be handed over.

"We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said.

On the issue of neutrality, Peskov said: "They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc."

He added: "We have also spoken about how they should recognise that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment."

Like I've been telling folks for over 6+ years here, a half measure campaign will net half measure results and the enemy thoroughly planned for that contingency (and others) from the very start. No amount of salad dressing by the Russians can mask the overall limited scope of the operation itself. Most of all leaving the Ukranian leadership, both political and military alive....... biggest red flags that become apparent past the first week of the op. Spin doctors and sheeple can try to spin the world over a thousand times to try to explain away the inconvenience but the facts don't change.

The rest of the events, on the cumulative, just falls into place as it should, regardless of the minute details that folks here become obssessed about.

There is one solution to that problem. The Kremlin refuses, either due to inability or fear of the task and its consequences. Everyday Russians will suffer the consequences... every decision has one.