Russian special military operation in Ukraine #19

Big_Gazza wrote:

The Russian operation to secure Gostomel was an epic and heroic action, its the sort of stuff that can easily result in stirring action films.

I have a strong doubt that any action movie will be able to show something more epic than what we have already seen on real recordings.It's enough just to provide them with the right soundtrack.

caveat emptor wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954233/Beast-East-Panicking-Putin-calls-OBESE-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

Daily mail article claiming Putin is putting some obese guy in command, Dam man this article is bad. Got to admit made me chuckle

This article is hilarious. They couldn't even make up full name for the "general".

These morons mean that he eats 5 times a day and wash it down with a liter of vodka. Have they ever tried drinking a liter of vodka daily for at least a month? People usually need medical attention within a week.In addition, it is alcoholism in a severe stage. Alcoholics are usually extremely thin due to problems with intoxication. This article was written by some young moron. In addition, I see absolutely nothing in the photo to indicate a general's rank.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954233/Beast-East-Panicking-Putin-calls-OBESE-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

Daily mail article claiming Putin is putting some obese guy in command, Dam man this article is bad. Got to admit made me chuckle

Considering their PM is pretty fat and doughy its kinda rich for them to be pointing this out.

Last week our shitstream was translating ukronews how about the whole Russian army elite troops trained to fight NATO are already gone, killed and dispressed by the mighty ukroarmy.
Each newspaper has a department of "subject taken out of an arse". Lately, it turned out, that for some of them, that is the only department.

RTN wrote:The Russian army tactics is to bite off the Ukranian territory in small pieces. This "eat the pie in pieces" tactic is ineffective in a protracted war. The key to success is the defeat of the enemy army over a large area. But in the short term, this approach brings results to those who have more resources.

Russian army is solving a political and not a military task. The first is to give Putin a real victory. The capture of  Lugansk and then the Donetsk regions of Ukraine was chosen as such a victory. The second is not to lose too much and not suffer an embarrassing defeat.

From April to the end of June, I see the Russian offensive as a chain of local operations:

1 Offensive from Izyum

2 Offensive to Belogorovka

3 Assault on Rubizhne

4 Assault on Popasnaya

5 Crossing of the Seversky Donets near Belogorovka

6. Offensive from Popasnaya

7 Assault on Liman

8 Assault on Severodonetsk

9 Assault on Svyatogorsk

10 Attack on Svetlodarsk

11 Encirclement of Zolote

Well we'll see what ends up being effective and what doesn't

The Russian strategy is smart as it effectively means that they are fighting in territories where they have local support. Good for morale, avoids any more Ukrainian villagers swearing at Russian soldiers, and also allows local sympathisers to page Russian mil hotline on Telegram and spill the goods as to where they saw the Grads and Javelins being loaded or which locale kindergarten the nationalist battalion has occupied

In my opinion this piecemeal strategy limited to just the Donbass though, can end up winning the entire war. As Ukrainian manpower, supplies, and so on are not infinite. They are being drained, and as close to Russian territory and on Russian terms as possible. Once the Ukrainian grouping in the Donbass is completely crushed, where will they get anyone to stop Russian advances elsewhere?

So i found people praising on how Ukraine still have operational S-300 and "Russian SEAD sucks". But there is question "What other nation ever fight another nation having modern SAM's with low sidelobe phased array radar ?"

People seems to only remember Gulf War but forgetting what good Emcon and discipline can do to a SAM battery like what happened in Serbia. Had Serb received their S-300's guess the person praising the S-300 would have a different perspective on SEAD against modern SAM's.

These people seems need a read on what 5N63 is... and how it set standards for current SAM radar's. It is hard to suppress and add NATO intel making it even harder to jam as it can now only need to radiate at opportunity. their battery getting blown by Russians, it's actually a good achievement on Russian side.

The thread was again filled with discussions that have nothing to do with the subject of the war in Ukraine.
Everything else should be removed.
It can not be, that one enters the forum and has to see a lot of opinions of other topics for pages and pages.

So i found people praising on how Ukraine still have operational S-300 and "Russian SEAD sucks".

They have split up and hidden their vehicles and systems and it seems that every time they brought them out to use them they have lost them... they don't seem to have shot very much down with them.

A side that hides its SAMs and lets the enemy pummel them with their air power and cruise missile weapons is struggling... having surviving systems because you hide them and don't use them because when you use them you lose them is nothing to brag about.

But there is question "What other nation ever fight another nation having modern SAM's with low sidelobe phased array radar ?"

If you lose something every time you use it and it does not do its job then you would actually be better off not having it because when you power it up to use it and you get clobbered you are losing crews and trained men as well as the hardware.... they would be better off burying it in sand and forgetting it till the war was over.

Russia fighting the Ukraine is putting them up against an air defence force more powerful than anything HATO has on land.

The only decent AD network in the west is mounted on their ships and even then it is not amazing.

It can not be, that one enters the forum and has to see a lot of opinions of other topics for pages and pages.

Removed posts on their way to the Talking bollocks thread in teh General Discussion thread... please continue that stuff there (that is what it is for) but not here.

Last week our shitstream was translating ukronews how about the whole Russian army elite troops trained to fight NATO are already gone, killed and dispressed by the mighty ukroarmy.
Each newspaper has a department of "subject taken out of an arse". Lately, it turned out, that for some of them, that is the only department.

That is great news because the thing with the western media is their lack of imagination so all their claims about Russia are normally the opposite... ie Putin is super rich and steals money... Poro and Zelensky got richer over this... Russia running out of missiles and ammo... like the west does in most of its conflicts... now they are saying the elite Ukrainian troops are dead or surrendering or running away... sounds about right to me...

flamming_python wrote:
In my opinion this piecemeal strategy limited to just the Donbass though, can end up winning the entire war. As Ukrainian manpower, supplies, and so on are not infinite. They are being drained, and as close to Russian territory and on Russian terms as possible. Once the Ukrainian grouping in the Donbass is completely crushed, where will they get anyone to stop Russian advances elsewhere?

What are you even talking about?
The 1st Twitter Bandera Division is at the gates of Moscow, while 2nd Facebook Wankers Brigade occupied Kazan and heading Grozny.
How can Russkie win, if Quora states differently?
They should just recognize the defeat and roll back to Vladivostok.

Stealthflanker wrote:So i found people praising on how Ukraine still have operational S-300 and "Russian SEAD sucks". But there is question "What other nation ever fight another nation having modern SAM's with low sidelobe phased array radar ?"

People seems to only remember Gulf War but forgetting what good Emcon and discipline can do to a SAM battery like what happened in Serbia.  Had Serb received their S-300's guess the person praising the S-300 would have a different perspective on SEAD against modern SAM's.  

These people seems need a read on what 5N63 is... and how it set standards for current SAM radar's. It is hard to suppress and add NATO intel making it even harder to jam as it can now only need to radiate at opportunity.  their battery getting blown by Russians, it's actually a good achievement on Russian side.

Their S-300 isn't intercepting anything actually. I doubt they had even 1 in combat conditions. Maintenance was very bad for their S-300. Even with Russian support, Venezuelan S-300 needed direct support of russin specialists to be activated when US was about to attack 2 years ago. Now imagine the state of ukrainian stuff.

Smaller systems like buk or Osa/Tor are far more dangerous and are better to have in big numbers than 2 or 3 unmaintained S-300.

Backman wrote:

Hole wrote:

Backman wrote:



Did they hope that the political leadership of the regime would collapse or be replaced by some officers in a coup? Sure. But the hundreds of cruise missiles flying into "Ukraine" destroying the air force and air defence tells me that nobody waited for that to happen.


Of course the Nazi Wehrmacht deserves to being annihilated, but the "playing nice" has to do with the large number of civilians living in that area which belongs to the DPR/LPR/Russia. The last think the Russians want is to kill their fellow compatriots.

The air force and navy were gonna get whooped regardless I would think.

What explains the undefended special forces groups that got hit around Kiev ? If there was some kind of deal in place, it would make sense to send small groups of special forces to govt buildings to meet up with them. Similar to the Crimea op. But some of them were completely ambushed. This probably didn't happen near to the extent that the media made it look. But it did happen in some areas.

There has been rumors that 120 FSB officers were fired or arrested or something a couple weeks into the war. I only mention it because I heard it from some pro Russia sources too. Is there any truth to this ? Im just asking.

Some of this stuff in the first few days just points to a Crimea style op gone wrong.

Russian forces were at Bucha for a month with politicians such as Tsarev (Yanukovich ally who left Ukraine in 2014) coming there to talk to local Ukrainian retired deputees and active ones (Bucha seems to be something of a suburb for Kiev's rich and powerful)

The advance to Kiev was definately not just about pinning forces or feinting or whoever, although an urban assault of the city was never likely either.

Russia tried to make deals with someone. In Kharkov and other cities too. Only worked in Kherson. Rest of the country it didn't work. Neither did shaking up the regime, or splitting some Ukrainian generals off or whatever they were hoping for.

After Lisichansk falls, what are next targets for Ru forces?

Bakhmut I guess

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine ( June 27, 2022)

Part 1 (read part 2)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

On June 26, Russian Aerospace Forces launched 4 high-precision air-based missiles at the workshops of Artyom missile corporation located in Shevchenkovsky district of Kiev. This enterprise produced ordnance for Ukrainian multiple rocket-launching systems (MRLS).

According to live recording data, all of the 4 missiles have reached the target. The facility has been neutralised. Civilian infrastructure of Kiev has not been affected by high-precision armament.

Kiev regime attempted to intercept Russian high-precision missiles by the means of air defence deployed in the city. Ukrainian S-300 and Buk-M1 air defence system crews had launched over 10 air defence missiles.

Due to lack of interoperability between the launching ramps of the air defence systems and electronic facilities deployed in residential areas, 2 S-300 air defence missiles have been intercepted by Ukrainian Buk systems. One of the intercepted air defence missiles has presumably fallen down to a residential building.

Ukrainian command is trying to stop the chaotic escape of Ukrainian servicemen near Lisichansk amid the success of Russian army within liberating Donbass.

A Right Sector Nazi barrier unit was sent to hold the personnel of the first battalion from 72nd mechanised brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Volcheyarovka. Russian artillery has eliminated this unit.

The Ukrainian troops involved in operation towards Lisichansk are no longer controlled. Commander of 115th Independent Mechanised Brigade of the AFU who deployed its command post in the rear area has lost control over his units that caused losing 80 percent of manpower and about 70 percent of equipment of 138th Battalion from this brigade during operations.

On June 26, Russian units eliminated 2 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of mercenaries formed by 14 militants during the combats that took place 3 km from Lisichansk oil refinery (Lugansk People's Republic).

The first group was international and consisted of citizens from various European countries. The second was formed by mercenaries only from Georgia who were parts of the so-called Georgian Legion.

This armed group is mostly composed of criminals. The eliminated Georgian mercenaries were involved in the brutal torture and murder of Russian servicemen near Kiev in March this year.

Russian Defence Ministry has information about each mercenary involved in torturing and murdering out servicemen. We have found and punished them.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine
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Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine ( June 27, 2022)

Part 2 (read part 1)

Russian Federation Armed Forces continue launching attacks at military facilities located in Ukraine.

High-precision armament of Russian Aerospace Forces has neutralised the base of 106th Battalion from 63rd Mechanised Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Visunsk (Nikolayev region). Over 40 Ukrainian servicemen and 12 units of military equipment have been eliminated.

Attacks have also resulted in the elimination of AFU manpower and military equipment in 27 areas, including those that formed part of the Right Sector near Lisichansk, as well as those of Azov and Kraken near Kharkov.

5 AFU command posts and 3 munitions, missile and artillery armament depots have been neutralised near Bereznegovatoye (Nikolayev region) and Novodruzhesk (Lugansk People's Republic).

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised: 24 command posts, artillery and mortar units in 58 areas, as well as manpower and military equipment in 304 areas.

Within the counter-battery warfare towards Donetsk, high-precision armament of Russian Aerospace Forces has neutralised: 3 Grad MRLS plattoons near Avdeyevka and Dzerzhinsk, a plattoon of M-777 155-mm howitzers near Konstantinovka, 2 Giatsint 152-mm howitzer plattoons near Kalinov and Artyomovo, as well as 2 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system plattoons near Ocheretino and Novolugansk that had been launching attacks at Donetsk and othe cities of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Russian air defence means have destroyed 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Noviy Burluk, Arkushino, Kurulka, Semyonovka, Chervoniy Shakhtyor, Ternovaya (Kharkov region), Chernobayevka (Kherson region), Shcherbakovo (Zaporozhye region) and Petrovenki (Lugansk People's Republic).

2 Tochka-U tactical missiles have been intercepted near Kakhovka (Kherson region), as well as 1 MRLS rocket over Snake Island.

In total, 215 airplanes and 132 helicopters, 1,373 unmanned aerial vehicles, 350 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,830 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 684 combat vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 3,025 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 3,870 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine
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Ripped from the above for emphasis, my highlight.

On June 26, Russian units eliminated 2 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of mercenaries formed by 14 militants during the combats that took place 3 km from Lisichansk oil refinery (Lugansk People's Republic).

The first group was international and consisted of citizens from various European countries. The second was formed by mercenaries only from Georgia who were parts of the so-called Georgian Legion.

This armed group is mostly composed of criminals. The eliminated Georgian mercenaries were involved in the brutal torture and murder of Russian servicemen near Kiev in March this year.

Russian Defence Ministry has information about each mercenary involved in torturing and murdering out servicemen. We have found and punished them.

Also

1 MRLS rocket over Snake Island

As it is described in this way I assume that it is a Western rocket.

For our American friends, to give an idea of scale

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
Russian forces were at Bucha for a month with politicians such as Tsarev (Yanukovich ally who left Ukraine in 2014) coming there to talk to local Ukrainian retired deputees and active ones (Bucha seems to be something of a suburb for Kiev's rich and powerful)
.

As time passes, it looks to me, more and more, that some of the preliminary analysis of Ukrainian army willingness to fight were misplaced and wrong. Maybe, based on wrong information coming from the field or superiors that didn't believe correct information.

8 years of CIA directed work to prevent such scenario I presume. What did they expect? Pro Russians either bought, threatened or just eliminated.

JohninMK wrote:For our American friends, to give an idea of scale

One of my sons driving that route this weekend...

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:After Lisichansk falls, what are next targets for Ru forces?

I'd say it's time for Slavyansk w/o any more distractions