Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

mr_hd wrote:
NATO has no one voice - there are countries inside that are on war terms against each other like Turkey vs Greece, or on cold war terms like France and Turkey, some countries are very pro Russian like Turkey or Hungary etc...

NATO has 1 voice...USA! Doesn't matter what Turkey or Hungery is doing...if the rest of NATO obeys the commands from USA it will be a serious problem for Russia.

Aside from NATO stuff.

How things going in the field ?

The concerning thing is whether Russia will come back to Kharkov. and how things in Kherson ? I guess Ukraine didnt made as much progress there.

Ukrainians entered reportedly Bilohoriwka...next city is Lissichansk! Meanwhile Ukraine establishled calmly a bridgehead around Swjatogorsk and putting pressure on Liman with the possibility of encircling Liman.

By the way...Russia didn't managed to retake the lost territories lost during Kherson offensive...there are only a few villages but Ukrainians established a tough defense.

In the Caucasus CSTO urged both side (Azeris and Armenians) to refrain from provocative actions and look for a diplomatic solution. No reaction so far and meanwhile the Azeris are bombing the shit out of Armenians!

Call me what you want...I don't care!!! But Russia turns out to be a pure paper tiger...nothing more! It's not about the capability, they have a incredible military capabilities but it's the political head of Russia. Peskov stated that a mobilization is out of question!

So Russia will lose the Ukraine war if they don't change their stance in this war (and they won't!), will lose any credibility on world stage! Maybe Russia will lose Crimea too  if they can't stop the Ukrainians inside Ukraine how they will managed to stop them if they cross the border? Then suddenly 100 BTGs will appear? Maybe Russian soldiers will die? Soon Armenia will apply for NATO membership...for sure. USA wouldn't let this happen for a second....they would bomb the shit out of the Azeris after minutes!

Wow, they're just not gonna take this serious are they? Clowns. Well, they need to prepare their population for this humiliating loss in Ukraine then.

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Have you watched the material and how they are bringing the supplies and reinforcement with all they have, including Mi-26s?
Well, this material looked so staged and fake, that roars out off the screen. It was my very first impression - there is nothing that matches together there, just a show.
They didn't bring any serious reinforcements into the theatre.
Still , the VO group is obviously going somewhere.
Those echelons full of brand new 80BVMs and 90Ms are going somewhere.
Those columns of artillery, whole trains loaded with Uragans are going somewhere.
Where is "somewhere"?

Poland! 

No! They bring them to places where they are urgently and desperate needed...the Vostok Exercise !

Frankly even if I think they managed to bring more troops than russians and make gains, russians prepared a big trap there.

I wouldn't be surprised if russians start a huge attack on the ukrainian units that went to far inside russian territories.

Hole wrote:Attack will propably come from the South. To liberate Zaporoshye and put pressure on the last remaining fortification lines in Donbass. In the best case thery could roll them up one after the other.

But I always think about Shoigu´s visit to the "front" and the statement that "Ukraine" will be attacked from all sides. Did he just mean bombing runs and cruise missiles coming also from the Belarus direction or a real ground attack? 

Belarus has gone very quiet - my thinking is that there is something brewing and its not samogon

Mir wrote:

Belarus has gone very quiet - my thinking is that there is something brewing and its not samogon  

I'm still wonder what are Russians doing there ? like how many troops are still there and whatnot.

Also Baranovichi seems still active with Russian personnel.

An incursion via Belarus would be interesting. Whatever the plan is, the element of surprise would be a huge bonus. Maskirovka in the public domain is one thing, they still need to get the assets in the right places on the ground under the watchfull eye of Sauron if you Know what i Mean.

0nillie0 wrote:An incursion via Belarus would be interesting. Whatever the plan is, the element of surprise would be a huge bonus. Maskirovka in the public domain is one thing, they still need to get the assets in the right places on the ground under the watchfull eye of Sauron if you Know what i Mean.

Wel if such ever undertaken again then they better have improved set of plans as they already did that in first time and withdraw. Ukrainians will likely put sentry there to spot any movement and maybe have some plot of lands pre-calculated for artillery or mined.

dionis wrote:

Backman wrote:
I'm pro-Russian but come on....we need to face reality here. You're talking about 30 countries + Ukraine vs. Two (Russia and Belarus). They have a lot of money, a lot of people and a lot of sophisticated weaponry. No single country could go up against something like that, I'm just being realistic, that assessment has nothing to do with what has happened in Kharkov recently. Without nukes, Russia would be screwed.

America with draft couldn't deal with Vietnam. The rest of NATO without the US is bleh. It would go nuclear, but that's because that would guarantee parity of life lost, instead of Russia stalemating it with 5x the losses of NATO.

The difference is that the US choose to leave both Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan because of political decisions, it wasnt because the enemy had forced them out with thier military.

walle83 wrote:

The difference is that the US choose to leave both Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan because of political decisions, it wasnt because the enemy had forced them out with thier military.

So being shot off the roof of Saigon embassy

And being shot off the kabul embassy is not a military failure? Lmao





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Wow this place is getting as ridiculous as militaryphotos.net was if u look at a lot of posters.

1)the Pukraine is suffering biblical levels of losses.
2)Russia's casualities are modest in the extreme
3)Russia still hasn't hit GATO powers via the vast number of proxies thatd espite GATO and esp the USA.
4)Pukrainians are heavily exposed right now.

Moving on:-
Even with Turdlensky's attempts at total war  he hasn't got that many troops. Remember half of the former Ukraine despises the Pukraine.

What has supposedly changed? Not a lot.
Russia can raise massive numbers of troops and quickly.
Even according to Wikipedia it is the largest armed forces in the World!

1.2m armed forces plus 2m reservists.
PLUS gigantic levels of arms AND logistic points as Russia is next door to the Pukraine.

Whats Russia committing right now? Prob a fraction of 150k.
Surely there are  well in excess 300k ex contractor reservists of good age. And a fraction of the ex conscript reserves could be kept back in Russia defending the Kurils, Caucuses etc and/or providing logistics for the Pukraine operation. Amongst current contractors there is massive untapped resource too.

Crush Pukraine infrastructure. And attack Poland, the United Snakes etc in any way to dissuade their arming of terrorists.

The Pukraine was a ragbag of shit 8 yrs ago. It hasn't improved that much since.

This is a war regardless of what it's called. And in war battles are won and lost, it's winning the actual war that is the endgame. Each side has their own objectives and what winning looks like for them. Whether this was planned or not is irrelevant the war continues and I doubt it will be over anytime soon. Yes Ukraine has gained a lot of ground and morale is high, but what we know is that they suffered many casualties. So the question begs this battle was won at what cost? And does that then make it a success? And if so a success for who? And a loss for who? Each side will say whatever that pleases the masses without also saying the flip side to this battle/offensive.

One thing I do agree is that Russia needs more troops to apply more pressure on Ukraine in various areas which it turn pins them down which then denies them the ability to send forces elsewhere. And I feel Russia would benefit of heavier bombardments of key areas and infrastructures. Surprise and speed can be vital. The west is busy running out of equipment while also trying to produce more to supply to Ukraine as well as training soldiers which takes time. Denying Ukraine these much needed supplies etc would be beneficial for Russia. Ukraines Frontline has now been extended which takes manpower to defend as well as resources.


Over the next two months will be crucial as to where the Frontline will be for the winter months. During winter, snow, rain, and freezing temperatures will hamper either side. The west will have to cough up more money for warm kit, etc for Ukrainian troops. From what we have seen Russian troops seem to be defending towns, villages cities etc, and on the flip side Ukraine are doing the same but also defensive positions in forests and fields being dug in from what we have seen trenches which provide very little cover, aren't they deep and don't seem to developed to a proper liveable condition for any length of time. Autumn will bring many trees and bushes to lose all it's leaves which will expose many positions especially from the air. Ukraines air force is very limited almost nonexistent and drones being it's mainstay in the air. Along with artillery, MLRS and HIMARS will pretty much be all it has during the winter months, troop movements will be limited. Russia on the other hand has air force, drones, artillery, MLRS, smerch/tornado, tochka, iskander, TOS, and cruise missiles as well as better AD assets. This will leave Ukrainian troops dig in trenches vulnerable and morale will be severely low. Having spent time on on exercise in Otterburn in trenches for a few weeks, and exercise in Batus Canada I can tell you not fun at all. Now add to this that your at war and not on exercise, and this won't be for a few weeks but months, and your being hit with all kinds of shells, rockets, missiles, bombs, drones etc and you will be pretty much a sitting duck and told by neo Nazi masters to stay put and defend the Frontline suddenly morale is at an all time low. So over the next two months it will be important as to what happens. I don't expect too much territory gains during winter months unless a golden opportunity arises, but I do expect casualties to continue.

Europe and rest of Ukraine will most likely face severe hardships and with experts in Europe already predicting a horrendous recession and countries economic growth to be severely impacted, it's citizens will suffer with crippling costs or it's governments coffers to be raided to help people manage costs of energy, all the while spending more money on Ukraine.

The war in Ukraine and war on energy continues.

Why did russia allow ukrainians to occupy the andreevka bridgehead in kherson, and allow a bridgehead to be established at svyatogorsk? The only explanation is that the russians actually suck at recon and don't have air and artillery support.