Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

flamming_python wrote:
He is precisely raising his head because he knows that Russia and the West are busy with one another
Russia can't really slap him down at the moment because it needs Turkey neutral in the standoff in NATO and access through the Bosphorus among other things to continue
There this is high time for him to wrangle out better terms for himself and his sidekick Aliev

That's why this could be perfect opportunity. You're not hitting Erdogan directly, but his dog Aliyev. Akin to what Turks do with Ukraine by providing Baryaktars and other equipment. 
Inflation in Turkey is only 80%? No problem, lets make it over 100%. And Europe losses almost 10% of nat gas imports. 
Russia needs to back up its partner Armenia for that reason and so Armenians understand that only Russia is their aly. Also, keep Armenia for the sake of keeping corridor with Iran.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

but there is a bureaucratic weight placed on the military and they cannot react without statesman saying its okay to hurt the brotherly nazis

Don't think so.

As far the current events unfolding, the political leadership defined only the general rules of this military action, but the details, including but not limited the speed, direction, retreat or attack decided by military officers.

"Many fleeing Russian troops near Kharkiv have exited Ukraine" - U.S. official

Let's see how Russia does here.

"The Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a big offensive in the area of ​​the Zaporizhzhya NPP and crossings, the transfer of artillery installations, equipment and personnel is underway" - Vladimir Rogov

ALAMO wrote:Seems that Iranian drones announced to join the party officially.



Debris of "something" that is hitting Hoholsk in the Kupyansk area looks very similar to the Shahed-136.

Looks fake, the letters don't seem to be placed on the same angle as the wing is.

good night guys hoping for alot of news tommorow.

ALAMO wrote:Seems that Iranian drones announced to join the party officially.

Debris of "something" that is hitting Hoholsk in the Kupyansk area looks very similar to the Shahed-136.

Do Russians bother to put "Geran" below that serial number ?

Looks to me like it's another Russian Suicide UAV's.

I wish Russia would start bombing Azerbaijan under article 4 of the csto treaty. Also declare a mobilization since it will foght a 2 front war

Stealthflanker wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Seems that Iranian drones announced to join the party officially.

Debris of "something" that is hitting Hoholsk in the Kupyansk area looks very similar to the Shahed-136.

Do Russians bother to put "Geran" below that serial number ?

Looks to me like it's another Russian Suicide UAV's.

Could be license produced.

It looks like Russia , from the beginning of the SMO , had a cap or limit on troop levels and set itself objectives . As time passed , it became clear that troop levels were not enough to achieve these objectives at all in some areas , such as Kiev , and hardly enough in others , such as LDPR . There were advances in some places in the South , but some objectives seem beyond reach , such as Odessa or Nikolayev .

Heavy reliance on artillery and missile and air strikes , may have taken a heavy toll on Ukrainian side , but by itself has not enabled further rapid advances . The Ukrainian side , recently has managed to put together a sizable force , armed with some western supplied weapons and concentrating forces , to make advances against thinly spread Russian units .

It seems Russia is at least capable , in the near future or mid- term ( in the next six months or a year , economy permitting )  , to put together a force to reinforce the units in Ukraine . Carry out pincer movements against advancing troops . And drive out the Ukrainian troops from Russian speaking areas in the East .

The reason , this has not been done , is not clear . Military considerations favour the build-up in Ukraine . Since Russia does not face any real or serious threat from the East or Southern borders , needing deployment of conventional force . The only real threat is from the western border by NATO . Either a strike through Ukraine or through  another country , say Finland !

There is no choice here . If Russia doesn't deploy more conventional forces in Ukraine , then it is in danger of exposing itself , along this border to Ukraine backed by NATO . Not to mention that Russian speakers in their millions will leave their homes and become refugees in Russia . But this leaves other European borders exposed to conventional attack . Yes , but then Russia has reached the limit of it's conventional forces , and has to be ready and willing to escalate to non- conventional war , in this existential battle for survival .

The other possible reason for lack of response by Russia ,for not deploying it's full forces , could be political . Some say " Atlanticists" are to blame ! Who knows ? But to me , it is clear that ,the spectre of ethnic genocide against Russians in Ukraine or Kazakhstan , will be a catalyst for more positive action . But better sooner than later .

limb wrote:

Could be license produced.

Or it's a legit Russian UAV's.

Like why Russia cant scale up from KUB is kind of mystery.

After listening to Scott Ritter, it is obvious that Russia needs more troops in Ukraine and Russia needs to step up its aggressiveness in Ukraine.

Scott Ritter mentions that the Ukrainian troops that attacked in Kharkov, were trained in NATO countries and they have another 40,000 more training in NATO countries. Scott Ritter says Russia knows that they needs to stop this cycle.

Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.

par far wrote:After listening to Scott Ritter, it is obvious that Russia needs more troops in Ukraine and Russia needs to step up its aggressiveness in Ukraine.

Scott Ritter mentions that the Ukrainian troops that attacked in Kharkov, were trained in NATO countries and they have another 40,000 more training in NATO countries. Scott Ritter says Russia knows that they needs to stop this cycle.

Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.

So in other words, is NATO training up Ukrainian troops faster than Russia is taking them out?

par far wrote:...
Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.
...

Utter nonsense, no NATO troops will ever cross on the Ukrainian territory- at least as long it is war there. Situation for miscalculation and catastrophically large mistakes to happen would be real - no one sane will ever do that, that statement is pure fantasy and no one should believe in that crap.

NATO is also not commanding operation there, it has no capacity nor political will for such risks, again nonsense, NATO is fully dysfunctional dinosaurs from another era btw.

par far wrote:After listening to Scott Ritter, it is obvious that Russia needs more troops in Ukraine and Russia needs to step up its aggressiveness in Ukraine.

Scott Ritter mentions that the Ukrainian troops that attacked in Kharkov, were trained in NATO countries and they have another 40,000 more training in NATO countries. Scott Ritter says Russia knows that they needs to stop this cycle.

Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.

He's correct but let's not forget that Ritter is a pedophile and sexual predator. Scumbag of a guy.

mr_hd wrote:

par far wrote:...
Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.
...

Utter nonsense, no NATO troops will ever cross on the Ukrainian territory- at least as long it is war there. Situation for miscalculation and catastrophically large mistakes to happen would be real - no one sane will ever do that, that statement is pure fantasy and no one should believe in that crap.

NATO is also not commanding operation there, it has no capacity nor political will for such risks, again nonsense, NATO is fully dysfunctional dinosaurs from another era btw.

BULLSHIT!

NATO provide training, satellite images and other kind of Intel...and of couse material. Even NATO soldiers fighting in this war...they are officially at vacation or "retired" but these are of course war proven veterans. Proven videos of mercenaries in northern parts of Kharkov!

NATO is 100 % involved in the operation. USA and atlantic hawks want a regime change in Russia. Ukraine is of ZERO interest for them, even if Ukraine will gets totally annihilated. Russia is the prize they want to win. With Russia on their side they can place Russia against China...same like USA trained and educated Ukrainians like a puppy against Russia, to be some kind of Anti-Russia. Next step in 15-25 years would be a war between Russia and China, with USA as a neutral state...after a maybe nuclear annihilation of both sides (Russia vs China) USA would step in as the winner. And even most likely if no war will ever happen between Russia and China, the USA can deprive China from all natural ressources that Russia is now providing to China. That's the whole plan guys...nothing else! Without Russia USA can never win a war against China.

While Putin is twiddling his thumbs and Lavrov is talking about talks with Ukraine, this is what the West has planned. They smell blood and Russia is sleepwalking still smh...They better wake the f*ck up soon or Russia's future as a great power and serious country will be diminished beyond repair!

Azi wrote:

mr_hd wrote:

par far wrote:...
Scott Ritter says NATO troops are on the ground in Ukraine, they have Ukrainian uniforms on but they are NATO troops. NATO is commanding this whole operation, it is Russia vs NATO.
...

Utter nonsense, no NATO troops will ever cross on the Ukrainian territory- at least as long it is war there. Situation for miscalculation and catastrophically large mistakes to happen would be real - no one sane will ever do that, that statement is pure fantasy and no one should believe in that crap.

NATO is also not commanding operation there, it has no capacity nor political will for such risks, again nonsense, NATO is fully dysfunctional dinosaurs from another era btw.

BULLSHIT!

NATO provide training, satellite images and other kind of Intel...and of couse material. Even NATO soldiers fighting in this war...they are officially at vacation or "retired" but these are of course war proven veterans. Proven videos of mercenaries in northern parts of Kharkov!

NATO is 100 % involved in the operation. USA and atlantic hawks want a regime change in Russia. Ukraine is of ZERO interest for them, even if Ukraine will gets totally annihilated. Russia is the prize they want to win. With Russia on their side they can place Russia against China...same like USA trained and educated Ukrainians like a puppy against Russia, to be some kind of Anti-Russia. Next step in 15-25 years would be a war between Russia and China, with USA as a neutral state...after a maybe nuclear annihilation of both sides (Russia vs China) USA would step in as the winner. And even most likely if no war will ever happen between Russia and China, the USA can deprive China from all natural ressources that Russia is now providing to China. That's the whole plan guys...nothing else! Without Russia USA can never win a war against China.

NATO has no one voice - there are countries inside that are on war terms against each other like Turkey vs Greece, or on cold war terms like France and Turkey, some countries are very pro Russian like Turkey or Hungary etc...
That is quite big but non functional organization. Some of the countries inside are pro Ukraine and are doing training and other support like US, Poland, UK etc... but it is not one big unified organization - that is pure propaganda and not reality.