Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

thegopnik wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:I am amazed at the level of Russia's military ineffectiveness.
Russia did the hardest thing: resist the West's criminal economic embargo. That was a brilliant strategy of their economy ministers
The easiest thing was to win the war. You cannot win the war against Ukraine knowing your territory, culture, being on the edge of the border, having military experience and resources to spare. You got the fucking jew laughing at you, the azov nazis still hanging around.

We Argentines (a third world country), absolutely alone, without technology and equipment, never made the tremendous mistakes of Russia against the British and all of NATO.

That is called ineffectiveness and I would not like to give Hitler the historical reason for the lack of talent of the Slavs. I hope that Russia will make a counteroffensive and destroy that shit country with the whole West.

We will see how ukrainians will be this winter without water, gas and electricity. my only problem is that whatever territory they capture is that they get the people out or they stay to get killed

Dude, winter can be an ally, but are you saying that these animals still have infrastructure?
I ask, where is the sabotage of Russian services?
I give you an example. Argentina and Chile were on the brink of war in 1979. Pinochet entrusted his secret service to poison the drinking water of the Rio de la Plata and kill the population of Buenos Aires. I admire him because the guy loved his country.
Where are the Russian services? what the hell are they doing?

ArgentinaGuard wrote:
I give you an example. Argentina and Chile were on the brink of war in 1979. Pinochet entrusted his secret service to poison the drinking water of the Rio de la Plata and kill the population of Buenos Aires. I admire him because the guy loved his country.

You admire Pinochet and you are an Argentinian!? Do you have Nazi memorabilia on your wall? Do you read Mein Kampf before bedtime just to calm your nerves so you could go to sleep?

thegopnik wrote:ghost of zeepo is reporting i think that russian prisoners will be given a clean slate if they serve a 6 month contract with wagner. There are reports that russians are hitting water supplies which is why ukrainians went to stores to purchase water and everything else. I am convinced they wont send in reinforcements and just waiting for winter.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63915

Mir wrote:
You admire Pinochet and you are an Argentinian!? Do you have Nazi memorabilia on your wall? Do you read Mein Kampf before bedtime just to calm your nerves so you could go to sleep?

I have a funny story to tell
A friend of mine, is a Pole naturalized in Germany.
His family is there like since the 60s, when having a german shepherd dog was enough to get citizenship
He was on a tourist trip to Argentine, settled by a well-known German tour operator.
The story happened in the 90s
He took his wife for a trip to visit "a German settlers' domain"
They were getting there by the river.
At the very end of the trip, they faced something that looked like a big fortress made of brick, concrete and wood.
It looked like the Atlantic Wall, only smaller, including small windows for shooters in a thick walls surrounding
As soon as they walked through the gate, a proudly waving nazi banner entertained their approach.
The very last thing he dared to say to his wife, as she was with him, was "shut the **** up and don't open your mouth!" as she was a Pole either, but hardly speak any German as she just arrived a month earlier
That was a bloody nazi fort in the middle of nowhere, where little kids were "sieg heiling" at any corner.
Like in the bloody movies.

limb wrote:Why are there barely any russian mechanized troops in ukraine atm?
Kherson is mainly VDV,
kharkov was mainly lnr militia and sobr
Donbass is mainly republic troops, cossacks wagner and akhmat
liman is mainly BARS.

Whats going on? It seems like russian mechanized infantry presence gradually disappeared by july.

My hope is that using movement, both minor advances and withdrawals and war games in the far east that they have been very quietly moved into positions for some sort of offense this fall.

Now here is a question, is the Rasputitsa still a thing? If so I hope they launch a massive offensive before it renders off road operations unfeasible.

Martyanov now says there's just 80,000 Russian troops in Ukraine. The number keeps falling.

Here's his rant :

That is why I am on record: 99% of all those "military" telegram channels, military "analysts", military "reporters", "patriots" and "strategists" are frauds--they have zero military expertise, least of all in serious operational matters, let alone in understanding what mobilization is and what it entails.

I will repeat, again, that the bulk of Russian ground forces still remains in reserve and the actual number of Russian regulars fighting in Ukraine is (I speculate) out of 300,000 + is somewhere between 60 and 80,000. The rest of the force is LDNR militia and volunteers, who are about the size of 50-60,000. This force size is sufficient for the aims of SMO and for methodical annihilation of VSU's personnel and equipment.

Taking another look at the "attackers" in the Kharkov region. Limited number of artillery. Close to zero air defence. No air cover (except good wishes). Lightly armed infantry + a small ammount of old (I mean really, really old) vehicles. But it´s getting better. No real reserves behind them. Little supplies. They could fight vor 4 to 5 days, a week max.

This was really a suicide mission. Just to please the masters in Washington/Brussels. 

The Nazi guys on the pics smile all the time because they realize how lucky they are to still being alive.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1570111644893585409 chechens giving oath before heading to battle.

ucmvulcan wrote:My hope is that using movement, both minor advances and withdrawals and war games in the far east that they have been very quietly moved into positions for some sort of offense this fall.  

Now here is a question, is the Rasputitsa still a thing? If so I hope they launch a massive offensive before it renders off road operations unfeasible.

The muddy season was mostly a problem for the ill equipped german troops. Russians knew how to move around, their tanks had wider tracks, too.

Well, he is right. Russia doesn't have a large force in Ukraine. Out of that 80K, how many of them are National Guard guys?  The real army guys are probably all in Kherson region hence Ukraines ass beating in the region.

There are large forces in Belgorod but to more or less protect the border.

Rosgvardi guys are getting amazing training but they aren't really trained for this kind of combat.

thegopnik wrote:https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1570111644893585409 chechens giving oath before heading to battle.

They aren't all Chechens. This is a training ground where volunteers from all over Russia (apparently from other countries as well) are being trained. These are the bulk of volunteers besides Cossack units

Arkanghelsk wrote:

limb wrote:Why are there barely any russian mechanized troops in ukraine atm?
Kherson is mainly VDV,
kharkov was mainly lnr militia and sobr
Donbass is mainly republic troops, cossacks wagner and akhmat
liman is mainly BARS.

Whats going on? It seems like russian mechanized infantry presence gradually disappeared by july.

I said this back in May, that Russian army was gone

Tbh it was an educated guess based on the pace of advance and videos of the type of units on ground

I really think the Russian army was pulled out after Kiev

Those guys wore digital flora pattern with st. George ribbon sewn into

The guys we have seen since may, are like irregulars

And some regular units supporting in logistics and fire support

Idk where the Russian army is

There should be some Russian army around Liman ... aka Seversk/Artyomovsk/Soledar.  

90th Tank Division, 1st Guard Tanks Army, 4th Tank Battalion and maybe some mixed BTGs.

ALAMO wrote:

I have a funny story to tell
A friend of mine, is a Pole naturalized in Germany.
His family is there like since the 60s, when having a german shepherd dog was enough to get citizenship
He was on a tourist trip to Argentine, settled by a well-known German tour operator.
The story happened in the 90s
He took his wife for a trip to visit "a German settlers' domain"
They were getting there by the river.
At the very end of the trip, they faced something that looked like a big fortress made of brick, concrete and wood.
It looked like the Atlantic Wall, only smaller, including small windows for shooters in a thick walls surrounding  
As soon as they walked through the gate, a proudly waving nazi banner entertained their approach.
The very last thing he dared to say to his wife, as she was with him, was "shut the **** up and don't open your mouth!" as she was a Pole either, but hardly speak any German as she just arrived a month earlier
That was a bloody nazi fort in the middle of nowhere, where little kids were "sieg heiling" at any corner.
Like in the bloody movies.

Believe me I have similar stories

Once met a "sieg heil" guy with a similar fort. Everything (I mean everything) was bolted down to the floor and his fort even had a tower with firing ports in all directions

calripson wrote:

Maybe because Ukraine is loaded to the gills with effective anti-armor weapons and precision strike weapons that will decimate massed armor. As I have stated for years, any armor on the modern battlefield without effective APS and effective SHORAD is an expensive metal coffin. Has Russia deployed any effective APS on its armor?

I doubt anyone can afford to mass deploy APS systems, and that's assuming they are actually effective in real life combat.

Backman wrote:Martyanov now says there's just 80,000 Russian troops in Ukraine. The number keeps falling.

A while ago I saw numbers from 40 to 60.000. Mostly artillery, air defence, logistics, radio and EW guys + recon and special forces (including some VDV units). Just a little hint of the armored fist (tanks and motorized rifle troops).

Looks as if the forces around country 404 (something between 100.000 and 200.000, including some Rosgvardija units) are waiting for something. Not the big NATO attack (for the criminals in Washington this is just a business affair, a ploy to syphon up as much money as they can before moving on to the next thing so they won´t get involved officially) but the shaping of he battlefield = killing of enough enemies, bleeding out their reserves, luring the rest into open terrain.

As soon as the General Staff thinks that anything is ready, we could see something close to what we witnessed back in March. But this time the russian forces won´t stop. And their will be nobody strong enough to stop them.

Mir wrote:
Believe me I have similar stories

Once met a "sieg heil" guy with a similar fort. Everything (I mean everything) was bolted down to the floor and his fort even had a tower with firing ports in all directions    

Wondering the scale, because what Alexander was telling me, was a small town, with several hundred inhabitants.

Yes, my friends ...
The "economic wonder" of West Germany in the 60s was not an effect of some Wondergermans hard struggle, but a huge flow of capital back from South America.
Golden teeth ripped from the corpses of concentration camps victims, melted and stamped with false markings pretending to be Swiss, Swedish, or Mexican.
The mainstay of European recovery.

So there is flooding in Krivoy Rog due to russias strike at the dam. Ukraines bridges used by military over the Ingulets are destroyed/swept away. A large amount of people are either leaving or trying to stock up on water.

We will see how this plays out.

sepheronx wrote:So there is flooding in Krivoy Rog due to russias strike at the dam.  Ukraines bridges used by military over the Ingulets are destroyed/swept away.  A large amount of people are either leaving or trying to stock up on water.

We will see how this plays out.

You already see how it plays out.
If the Russkie want to take out a dam, they will do it within 10 minutes
Not like some HIMARS supa-dupa-scary-voo-doo shit that is used to target a bridge or a dam for months, making holes in pave lines mostly.

ALAMO wrote:

sepheronx wrote:So there is flooding in Krivoy Rog due to russias strike at the dam.  Ukraines bridges used by military over the Ingulets are destroyed/swept away.  A large amount of people are either leaving or trying to stock up on water.

We will see how this plays out.

You already see how it plays out.
If the Russkie want to take out a dam, they will do it within 10 minutes
Not like some HIMARS supa-dupa-scary-voo-doo shit that is used to target a bridge or a dam for months, making holes in pave lines mostly.

I don't mean that but I mean Russias plans.

It acts as a temporary thing. Now do Russia plan to just make it hard for the lives of the people in these areas till they leave which gives Russia the chance to flatten the areas? Or is there other plans?

ALAMO wrote:
You already see how it plays out.
If the Russkie want to take out a dam, they will do it within 10 minutes
Not like some HIMARS supa-dupa-scary-voo-doo shit that is used to target a bridge or a dam for months, making holes in pave lines mostly.

Let's be realistic. Scale is vastly different. Russians would never destroy a dam on Dnepr as that would mean a catastrophy downstream. This was a small local dam.

caveat emptor wrote:
Let's be realistic. Scale is vastly different. Russians would never destroy a dam on Dnepr as that would mean a catastrophy downstream. This was a small local dam.

No no no.
Scale is irrelevant.
If Russkie ever decide to down The Three Gore Dam, they would do it.
It is a matter of potential.
Just instead of Ch-59 (?) there wold be Kinzhal that strikes it, leaving a 100m deep hole under it.
Sure that they are responsible, and nobody will create an environmental disaster and a huge human catastrophe.

caveat emptor wrote:Azerbaijanis hit two locations of Russian peacekeepers with artillery.
https://t.me/milinfolive/90470
https://t.me/milinfolive/90450?single
https://t.me/milinfolive/90469

It could also be Armenia, hoping to draw Russia into this conflict. I'm not saying that this was the case, but this is one of the possible options.

Scorpius wrote:

It could also be Armenia, hoping to draw Russia into this conflict. I'm not saying that this was the case, but this is one of the possible options.

Azeris reacted on spot, saying it is not their job.
Again, objectively Russia has much more profitable and open relations with Aliyev rather than struggling Armenia.

BTW ...
We have seen that smoking is bad, seeing the whole fires in Ukro facilities lately ...
We have seen that AC units are deadly, seeing them cooking off along the entire Banderastan...
But now, we can see for the first time, what happens when you pee too much!




Oh you nasty nasty Ukrs, don't drink so much!

Because this might be an end effect...



C_P, and the other team - take a look :



This is what Russkie seemed to pulverized. A dam door only, leaving the most crucial part - the dam itself - safely standing.

probably BS news https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putins-limo-attacked-assassination-27993499#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16631814653575&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-news%2Fvladimir-putins-limo-attacked-assassination-27993499 The limousine attack could have been an assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin, according to an unconfirmed claim, after a loud bang struck the left wheel of the car

Just to let them know Dmitry or Sergei being next in control would not make ukraines situation any better if Putin got killed.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63915

So, this was published in an open telegram channel. Prisoners are being recruited at the Wagner Private Military Company. Conditions: a six-month business trip to the combat zone. Only volunteers, after passing through several stages of selection: an interview, a polygraph, a review of the biography, the reasons why he was in prison. An absolute ban on alcohol, drugs, any sexual contact, any looting. After six months of combat service, a pardon. The volunteer can return home, or sign a contract for the next term. You can't go back to prison. If he decided to join the PMCs, and then "changed his mind" - he will be declared a deserter and shot. The vast majority of vacancies are in assault squads.

It is nothing new, they have been recruited this way for years.