Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

ALAMO wrote:

Regular wrote:
Watch video with subs and he says what prisoners will be needed. No rapists, drug addicts, no unstable.
https://twitter.com/SrbskyRus/status/1570179977794158594?s=20&t=Zel1yUN7JDFprGxT1lVwVg

No, he is not saying anything like that.
Those convicted with 228 paragraph - are drug dealers, not addicts.
He says they will check if they are addicted, including the lie detector.
Sex-related crimes - they will consider, as "they know that it is sometimes not as it was stated".

And the thing is dated after June 1st, he is saying that the first squad of convicts he served with was on the Uglodar direction. They have stormed the Uglodar thermal powerplant strongholds.

Most idiots here are couch commandos and neither have experience or are just cowards "questioning" things that they clearly should not talk about anyway.

Let Wagner do their job as they seem to be doing it well:

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to stop the advance of Russian troops on Artemovsk (Bakhmut) with artillery fire, including in the village of Kodema liberated in early September, said a fighter of the Wagner group. They are not succeeding in doing so. Russian units continue to advance


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ALAMO wrote:

sepheronx wrote:
Most idiots here are couch commandos and neither have experience or are just cowards "questioning" things that they clearly should not talk about anyway.

Let Wagner do their job as they seem to be doing it well:

That makes them quite the same as we are, isn't it?

There is a difference though. You or I aren't questioning the tactics used but trying to understand it. These other couch commandos are just making noise.

Some observations :

( 1 ) If convicts are to be employed , then they should not mix with regular troops , for possibility of moral corruption and also since not moralistic themselves but individualists , out for themselves , then they should not be placed in areas needing great effort or sacrifice , but in defensive positions , not needing any movement from them , and where they can be supervised easily , so they don't desert or abandon positions . Also since separate from regular army , their performance can be measured more accurately .

( 2 ) If it has been decided that troop levels will not increase , but reliance made on heavy bombardment against concentrated UA troops in pockets , then this tactic should be used in isolation and exclusively in some areas , without reliance on other units of artillery or armour or infantry , again to allow battle damage assessment and decide on future tactics . GarryB could be right , bombs being better than Boots on the ground . But then , we will have proof , one way or another .

( 3 ) Destroying infrastructure that has a much more military value , like Bridges against advancing troops , makes sense . However other targets can be much more important for civilian population , their welfare and well being . If such targets destroyed , then again if possible in places , should only have a local impact to enable the study and assessment on political implications for regime .

ALAMO wrote:Some of you are so much outraged, that misses the whole point.
Again: the Wagner, and other PMCs along the planet, are doing that like forever.
It is Wagner and other Russian PMC, that conquered the Africa, and constituted Russia there.
In countries they never have been represented, and some of them under a heavy pressure of France. A de facto colonies.
Questioning something that works for years, and brings great results, due to some present hype and outrage of silly primadonnas is utterly stupid.

Militaries in these countries (France and the like) employ mercenaries and many of them actual criminals into an actual military unit. French Foreign Legion which is used in Africa is a perfect example of that.

Didn’t the Roman’s do it too way back?

And the UK forces up to a certain level of crime (I think they were categorised by number?) you could avoid sentence by joining. I think they may have abolished that now, Taddie and Johnnin would be able to say one way or the other. Certainly not uncommon. And certainly the FFL had murderers in it.
The Belgians used mercs in the Congo…it’s a long list folks.

Half of the country voted for pro Russian, Russian langauge policies from 1991 til 2014 when the democracy was replaced with a junta.

Yup, and most Americans would probably vote to keep using English as a language but that does not mean they see themselves as being English or want to be ruled by England.

Ukraine had an enormous amount of trade with Russia before their country was hijacked by the western parts of the country, and most were just voting to keep that.

None of them wanted to be part of Russia... regions that have been shelled and bombed the last 8 years want to join now but that was because of their experience of Kievs hospitality and fear that anything less than being part of the Russian Federation will make them vulnerable to it continuing forever.

Infact the S East had a big Communist secondary support, so all things considered the country was more pro Russia than US satanic globalism. But its Establishment had been poisoned by US globalism, and the Establishment had far too much power to deceive, corrupt and intimidate.

They have been occupied by Nulands Nazis for the last 8 years who have blamed all their problems on Russia and also blamed anyone not rabidly anti Russian for things and removed them from power... including burning them to death... how long can pro Russian feelings remain... they probably felt trapped... 50 years ago trapped in a Soviet state they might have thought the west or the US would save them... but it is the west that is doing this...

As for "Ukrainian", its probably only a 1/4 of the region. Surzhyk is a dialect NOT Ukrainian but it is often misrepresented as such.

Half of the country considers itself "of the Russian World" even tho it is not of the Russian Federation as of Feb 2022.
They didn't want to split the Pukraine because if that happened, you'd have a Nazi state next door. |Why should they acquiesce to the Washington filth?

Ukraine is already split and for the last 8 years the washington filth has occupied most of the country... minus Crimea.

Well it is pretty clear Crimea and perhaps the Donbass and Lugansk regions want to join the RF... how much of the rest want the same is the question... right now when Kiev rushes people to those regions the Russians can legitimately shoot and bomb them, but when peace breaks out the silent majority need to be convinced that their going to have a much better future with Russia as a neutral neighbour, than as a HATO cannon fodder state... which they are experiencing now.

The silent majority put up with nulands nazis for promises of a brighter future that is further away now than it ever was, I am sure when Russia moves in and starts building things and repairing things and getting rid of the nazis appointed for their loyalty to the US rather than any competence in their jobs things will actually get much better for them very quickly and they will start to look at the deviant pro west pro US pro Nazi idiots as the scum they are... and shop them in so they can be captured and put in prison... lots of labouring work to be done...

Finally your USA/English speaking example doesn't work.

My point is that language is not part of kinship... America was a colony of the UK and a war of independence was fought to break free... English speakers around the world are not interested in having the Royal Navy come and save them and reestablish its command of their territory.

Russians or "Russkaya" cannot speak up right now if Nazi filth are going to kill them, can they?

The vast majority of people everywhere accept they have no influence on the things around them and just do as they are told till what they are asked to do is too much.

For many learning another language is that bridge too far... most will claim they didn't see the nazis stuff or the murders and cruelty to those who didn't hate Russia enough... didn't see... didn't want to see...

If speaking out gets you shot why speak out?

Russia isn't like N Zealand or England. Its more like England vs Cornwall. Or USA vs Texas etc.

Mexico might have something to say about parts of the US of A... maybe when the US economy collapses and the Mexicans have too much money they can rig elections and ban English from Texas and the south...

Letting those EW pods on that su-30 was dumb.

Having equipment you can't use for fear the enemy might capture it is what is dumb.

Oh give me a break, there was nothing like "voting pro Russian" ever.
Yanuk rules were just the same level of "friendly" as all the others.

The west likes to paint the Maidan situation as being a pro Russian was removed to be replaced by pro west and pro ukraine politician but that loser wasn't pro Russia... he just recognised a good deal when he saw one and a totally shit deal when he saw that too, and he picked the best deal for Ukraine... it was not done out of hate for the west or love for Russia.

Like I said, half the country (sometimes more) wanted pro Russia policies.

Wanting Russia friendly policies is not the same as wanting to become part of Russia again.

Whats going on? It seems like russian mechanized infantry presence gradually disappeared by july.

Because when you are killing the enemy with artillery and air power, heavy armour just slows you down.

They are light mobile forces.

Russia did the hardest thing: resist the West's criminal economic embargo. That was a brilliant strategy of their economy ministers
The easiest thing was to win the war.

The Europeans are desperate for this war to end so they can quietly drop sanctions against Russian energy and get those turbines up and running and cheap gas flowing in to the EU... if the Russian forces are not losing many soldiers and the enemy seems to be losing them in enormous numbers, then what is the rush?

Why send millions of men to be targets?

This isn't 200 years ago and USA lost the wars they used convicts in

Blackwater is full of crims... many of them get pardoned each war they fight in.

These vermin will either f*ck up or switch sides and squeal the moment they are contacted by the enemy

I dare say there will be a selection process and many crims simply will not qualify.

We fought entire NATO and every single jihadists on the planet and nobody would have even considered lowering themselves to this level, absolutely pathetic maggot move by Russians

No honor, no backbone, no integrity

I suspect this is the reaction western media are hoping for when they push this information... has it even been confirmed as being true yet?

Potato, potahto. You're talking about semantics. Wagner works for and at the behest of Russian government. This is not LDNR from 2014, when you had semi-official units that were controlling parts of the territory (Mozgovoi's Prizrak brigade comes to mind) and where not fully incorporated into the governing structures.

Black water and its various name changes were used by the US military in situations where war crimes were needed to get the job done... easier to pardon mercs than use regular troops and try to sneak through pardons.

But why did it happen ? How could Russia possibly think it could hold this 1500 km line with the amount of troops it had allocated ? They could have easily scooted some extra troops across the border to cover Kharkov when they knew the counter offensives were coming. Was there too much bureaucracy to make that possible ?

They stood and fought for the territory they wanted to keep... they will also like try to hold the area around the NPP I am sure Kiev wants that because it will want to sell the electricity to the EU... I suspect the Russians wont let them take that.

It was a national embarrassment and it went against the main logic of the SMO. Civilian safety, hearts and minds.

Boris Johnson is a national embarrassment... letting Kievs forces occupy extra land that they now need to hold and support is nothing of the kind.

Watching western media reports those Orcs and nazis were welcomed as liberators on the news footage I saw... you want them saved... well the Russians were operating there and probably had a better feel as to who was friend and is worth defending and who was not.

The Belgians used mercs in the Congo…it’s a long list folks.

There are plenty of people in prison who are not bad people per say... and if everyone who was guilty of a crime was caught most people would have been in jail for something.

No one is forcing anyone to join and no one is forcing Wagner to take everyone who volunteers.

It is a chance for redemption for some of these people, and a chance to kill some nazis who are probably making their crimes look trivial.

Garry the case to reintegrate Novorossiya early on is overwhelming.
It has gigantic support amongst the locals, even after years/decades of US controlled propaganda.
The Pukraine died and now the pro Russian half want their lives back, not living next door to fascist filth.
You're sounding like one of those doomers/5th columnists if you are seriously denying that.

As for the Western Pukraine and some rural central parts, well that might need strongmen early on, before reeducation takes effect.
Those who don't like it can **** off and clean toilets in Poland and Washington.

Its an area you haven't understood from the beginning.

Mir wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:
I give you an example. Argentina and Chile were on the brink of war in 1979. Pinochet entrusted his secret service to poison the drinking water of the Rio de la Plata and kill the population of Buenos Aires. I admire him because the guy loved his country.

You admire Pinochet and you are an Argentinian!? Do you have Nazi memorabilia on your wall? Do you read Mein Kampf before bedtime just to calm your nerves so you could go to sleep?

Pinochet was a patriot. Of course he deserves respect. Except for the communism of his country.
And I assure you that Pinochet would have swept Ukraine and would not walk with humanity and "special operation." This is stupidity of Putin for not wanting to bear the costs of any war. War is war. If young Russians must go to die, let them do so. It is destiny. Otherwise, you are not prepared to fight in the destiny of nations. You were simply a Paper Tiger.

The Russians should stop waving so many red flags in the Ukraine. That brings bad luck.
Communism is a failure, misery, inefficiency, it is an ideology of idiots. It is a Jewish ideology, unnatural with no ties to the peoples.
All the problems in Ukraine are due to Communism, not Nazism. You have the Ukrainians as enemies for not having integrated them ethnically.
Can you imagine the Germans killing the Bavarians or Austrians?

These are the consequences of communism. unnatural ideology. And some idiots in the forum walk with red flags and with Che Guevera
I am not a Nazi. Argentina was always pro-German. The army was trained by Prussians. And for ethnic reasons. After the Italians and Spanish, the country has the Germans as the third ethnic group.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:
Pinochet was a patriot. Of course he deserves respect. Except for the communism of his country.

Pinochet was a brutal Nazi dictator - period. He murdered, tortured, persecuted, sexually abused and made a lot of people disappear - all against his own people that did not quite like his brutal oppressive ways. Yes very nice patriot he was - just like Stalin and Hitler.

Btw Stalin was not a Communist - he was a Stalinist. It was either his way or no way. Even Lenin thought Stalin was not a good idea.

Guess what - Argentinians suffered the very same fate from their own military dictator during the 70's and 80's, but I am 100% sure you support this kind of shit.

Yeah guys but. Pinochet is no more among the living, we should move on.

The issue now is what to do with Kharkov or whether Russia will return there ? Also Kherson. With Ukrainian bridges washed away..how Ukrainian will try to rescue anyone got trapped there ? I can see some Azovstal like attempt but this will be rather risky with even Su-25 or Ka-52 prowling around the area.

GarryB wrote " Why send millions of men to be targets? " well the Americans and British in Afghanistan and Iraq , had a very fast rotation for their troops ( here , I am not just talking about greater numbers ) . This fast rotation , with fresh troops had much less to do with troop exhaustion , and had much more to do with using the killing grounds , to allow their citizens to be battle hardened , and cut their baby Shark teeth on Muslim flesh ! Even if total number in Iraq , at one time was about 400,000 , the actual number of citizens with combat experience , battle hardened and drawn blood , was much higher . I think it a good plan , for Russia too . Even if total numbers can not be increased , then fast rotation , battle experience , will prove very useful for a generation that has not seen actual combat . And very useful against massed attacks in the future .

Hello guys.
Question for your guys. I saw a vast russian military counter-offensive is on the way -as some western media -. Is it true?
As with other media like Twitter accounts, there are substantial Ukrainian losses after russian is using aircraft, they are talking about 12.000 Ukrainians' losses during these last 4 days.

https://twitter.com/Marcaus81441689/status/1569768035875192835/photo/1

https://i.servimg.com/u/f80/19/48/79/55/fcjvtb10.jpg

Can someone among you confirm, please?

TASS


* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. The RF Armed Forces destroyed five depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition in the Kharkov region and the DPR. This was announced on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov. "Five depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Prikolotnoe, Izyum of the Kharkov region, Krasnoye, Seversk and Novogrigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic," Konashenkov said.


* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. Three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), as a result of massive fire strikes by Russian troops, lost up to 500 servicemen killed and wounded, as well as more than 40 pieces of military equipment, per day in Nikolaev and Kherson regions. This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"As a result of massive fire strikes, the losses of the 24th and 28th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Krasnoye Znamya and Novogrigorovka of the Nikolaev region, as well as the 46th airmobile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Dry Stavok and Belogorka of the Kherson region amounted to 500 servicemen killed and wounded and more than 40 units of military equipment".


* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. The Armed Forces (AF) of the Russian Federation destroyed more than 80 Ukrainian soldiers and eight armored vehicles of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near the village of Spornoye in the DPR. This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov. Eight armored vehicles were also destroyed

* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. Russian air defense systems shot down 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), two Tochka-U ballistic missiles, and also intercepted 30 shells of Vilkha and HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) in a day. Such data was cited on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.

* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. Aviation, rocket troops and artillery hit seven Ukrainian command posts in a day during a special operation. This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"Strikes by operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery hit seven command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Dobropolye, Artemovsk of the Donetsk People's Republic, Kamyshevakh of the Zaporozhye region, Olgino of the Kherson region, Kalinovka, Murakhovka, Novorossiysk of the Nikolaev region, as well as 42 artillery units , manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 116 districts," he said

* MOSCOW, 15 September. /TASS/. The Russian Armed Forces destroyed up to 30 military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 10 pieces of equipment in the area of ​​Odnorobovka and Kharkov as a result of an attack on the points of temporary deployment of the territorial defense brigade and the Omega special forces detachment. This was announced to journalists on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.

So what did he say?

With Ukrainian bridges washed away..how Ukrainian will try to rescue anyone got trapped there ?

Swim, baby, swim.



The blue line is the river.