Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

Is the key to what is going on in on the eastern front Verdun? Long story as short as possible, in 1916 Germany aimed to knock France out of the war. The key was Verdun. Germany had no intention of holding Verdun. No they in fact wanted France to take it and hold it because the math was on their side, they had more bodies and attacking forces almost always take far more casualties than defending forces. By the end of 1916 France did take Verdun. The problem for France? It lost so many troops in the months long battle that it ceased to be an effective force for over a year. If the Yanks had not gone over there in time Germany could well have captured Paris. Hell, if the USSR commemorated the great August Socialist Revolution Germany may have well won the war.

What we are seeing around Liman does suck, and it really sucks for the civilians who didn't have the good sense to evacuate, but in the long run the plan may be to bleed out the Ukrainian army by bombing and shelling them and then going on the offensive in November or December.

Let's face it, I don't like and I don't respect you who DOUBT.
I know who I have no problem with and those people know that they have no problem with me.
And yes, I still think that Arkhangelsk is Ukrop. What he writes is not even on TV Ukroshitstan, I am convinced. If he is not Ukrop, then he is certainly not in "love" with Russia.
I don't think they are all bad people, if that means anything to someone, but some of you are panickers and cowards.
It was not a problem for me to write that I have no idea what the Russian plan is (and it is certain that they have one), but many here "know" that if Russia does not do this and that - a flood will follow..
If your game is to piss on Russia, I will "piss" on your comments - hypothetically not physically.
I see Russia as an EMPIRE, while some still see Russia with red stars - the EMPIRE will return rather than the red stars.

Limb called me during the day in one of the comments (which is now in special military operation 26) and not only me but also Hole, Alamo, Sepheronx, and someone else.
Anyway, I did attack him, but I don't think he's retarded, but that he's at least a cheeky provocateur. If someone can call me a "fanboy" then I can write to him that he is a retard because of that fanboy.
From day to day, he spills nonsense under all the sections on the forum - he poisons and stains everything..
Anyway, I got him to finally write what he didn't want to write at all, which is that Russia will win. Of course, he did not write it in those words, but he indirectly wrote that Russia would not lose.

And I repeat again what I have already written several times; "The game is played until the referee blows the whistle, and this "game" is still going on".

I'm not apologizing to anyone. Z !

ATLASCUB wrote:

Serberus wrote:


My credibility is in tact and my opinions vindicated.

 


You're just another dimwitt of the many here who was singing a very different tune before this clusterfuck developed and engaged in the same discrediting, potshotting tactics as the clowns that are now after you.....against those that were calling it right.... of which you could count them with two fingers actually, outside of trolls.

Where was that exactly where I took potshots and discredited anything which was grounded in confirmed accounts and events, on either side?

Being called a dimwitt by the resident dimwitt is rather amusing.

@GarryB
They were getting pushed back by numerically smaller forces with better mobility and fire power.

Now they have amassed a much larger force they can push back in specific places... but not places that are important... I am sure Kiev would rather take the NPP plant the Russians occupy and I am sure they want to cut off water to the Crimea as well... but instead they encircle a small group of Russian forces in Liman who after weeks of fighting are forced to withdraw just as they are about to be encircled

Why not just send some reinforcements (fresh from Russia, not allocated to the "smo")to the Liman instead of giving up territory in the Donbas ? The fact that these Rosqvardia held out for so long just shows that they only needed a little bit help to prevent it.

People say that Russia could be attacked in the far east and so on ,so all the professional troops needs to stay in their place. Who decides that ? Why not have a skeleton crew at the border with China so that you have lots of spare reserves in the west where you know....the existencial war is taking place ? Take 30,000 from the Vostok exercises and fly them to the SMO zone.

The hell is going on with this thread.

Its the calm before the storm indeed, with how antsy everyone is.

One doesnt make a national speech of that degree without putting out, is all i am saying.
Alrhough i understand why many are so frustrated.

ATLASCUB wrote:
 


You're just another dimwitt of the many here who was singing a very different tune before this clusterfuck developed and engaged in the same discrediting, potshotting tactics as the clowns that are now after you.....against those that were calling it right.... of which you could count them with two fingers actually, outside of trolls.

Highly amusing to see dimwitt on dimwitt violence. Although I know better, there are true idiots, and then there are pro trolls, malicious in nature, paid ones at that running accounts here, going all the way up to forum administration and the purpose of the forum itself. But that's another subject matter that the shouldn't worry themselves with. Just play your role.

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Anyways, strong speech by Putin. Speeches however won't solve his inability to create deterrents or fix his problem with the current crop of generals running this SMO. More substantive action and a proactive hands on approach is required of a war time leader.

There is no war brother. There is only a 'Special Military Operaton' during which Russia is now ceding large tracts of territory it considers its own


There is massive discontent brewing within the RAF and orbit leadership. What happened yesterday is unheard of - especially in more traditional/ hierarchical societies like Russia's. Remember that US army lieutenant that got court martialled after calling out that the Biden Administration after the botched Kabul Evacuation last year? That's how they deal with 'insubordination' in more egalitarian societies/structures like the US'.

In Russia you now have high ranking officials/ (former?) generals OPENLY stating that Russia's tactics/strategy suck, that nepotism/corruption is hurting the war effort and that change is needed.

Let's hope finally something good comes out of this mess. Things can't go on like this way. Putin too is responsible, not at the least due to optics. The whole opening of ferris wheels whilst the entire Kharkov Oblasts gets lost, and holding of cheery concerts where it's all shits and giggles whilst Northern Luhansk gets cracked open like a nut is clown tier, and sends a wrong signal to both servicemen and society.

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:Do you think the reason russia hasn't launched a multiple echeloned offensive since march is because the russian command knows any large grouping of troops will be detected by US satellites, eliminating  any element of surprise?

Russian satellites can detect any Ukrainian offensive by the same markers.

Yet you and others are postulating here that Russia has been taken completely by surprise in Kransyj Liman as earlier in Kharkov.
Which is it then?

Fact is though there are ways of deceiving the enemy, satellites or no satelittes, and making them believe the attack is going to happen in one place while it actually happens in another.
Neither Krasnyj Liman nor eastern Kharkov are examples of such though; they were very obvious and well-publicized targets

Fact is your comment is BS has videos of SOLDIERS on the GROUND said they got taken by surprise. Various officers etc calling this out.

So do you fanboys know better than the guys on the ground?

It amazes me fanboys will continue to defend this fuckup, at this point it just shows how delusional they choose to be.

Regular wrote:

https://twitter.com/SrbskyRus/status/1576381932425732097?s=20&t=yHfIp5mWJ5w3L7FavB8GXg

Upper-mid level officers (lt. generals and up) are now sniping each other on Telegram, but no worries, bro. Everything is under control. Everything is going according to plan.

Regular wrote:

https://twitter.com/SrbskyRus/status/1576381932425732097?s=20&t=yHfIp5mWJ5w3L7FavB8GXg

A lot of people say that Western military district is fucked up in a major way, bar some units like 20th army. Especially, First tank army which should be the best one.  
They didn't perform right north of Liman this time, as well. 
Of course it's all rumours and people talking, but it is being repeated by different people.
It might be that some power struggle is going on in Russian MoD and power structures. Time will tell.

This is opinion of Viktor Murakhovsky, main editor of military magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland and retired colonel.

https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/342

October 1 - Day of the Ground Forces.

At the beginning of the conflict, we had 140 battalion tactical groups consisting of the SV, Airborne Forces and Marine Corps with the coastal troops of the fleet. Of these, over 50 batallion tactical groups are not part of the Ground Forces.

Of the BTGr, no more than 2/3 can be at the front at the same time. This is how we fought, 55-60 thousand people on a front over 1000 km long. We suffered heavy losses in killed and wounded. The troops felt a sharp shortage of shooters, machine gunners, tankers, and in general those who fight at the forefront.

We must return to the performance of combat missions by armies, divisions and regiments.

Of the 300,000 people of the mobilization call, most will go to the Ground Forces. They will replenish military units to wartime states and organize new formations. I hope that the replenished divisions, together with the newly formed divisions, will make a worthy contribution to the victory.

Tired of hearing territories fall, this is starting to feel more humiliating than pro-ukrainian fans finding out in a Russian military raid video catching the ukrainian commander getting fucked in the ass by a tranny.

^ Things were fine when they were on offense. The best defense is to be on offense. When the pause started during summer is when everything went for a f*ck.

Why not just send some reinforcements (fresh from Russia, not allocated to the "smo")to the Liman instead of giving up territory in the Donbas ? The fact that these Rosqvardia held out for so long just shows that they only needed a little bit help to prevent it.

I don't pretend to know what their plans are, but perhaps their forces are being built up for very specific attacks and jobs they don't want to be distracted from.

Maybe they want Kiev and HATO to become confident in their plan so that Moscows plan has a better chance of succeeding.

Take 30,000 from the Vostok exercises and fly them to the SMO zone.

What sort of level are those soldiers at... they might be green conscripts on their first exercise together with real weapons and vehicles for all we know.

They have mobilised 300K was that just for fun or political points?

I don't think so.

But the fact that it is not happening instantly is no great surprise... the US took 6 months to build up forces for Desert Storm...

Let's hope finally something good comes out of this mess. Things can't go on like this way. Putin too is responsible, not at the least due to optics.

Yeah, blaming Putin... of course... right... yeah...

The whole opening of ferris wheels whilst the entire Kharkov Oblasts gets lost, and holding of cheery concerts where it's all shits and giggles whilst Northern Luhansk gets cracked open like a nut is clown tier, and sends a wrong signal to both servicemen and society.

For most of the people of the Donbass and Lugansk there is plenty of reason to celebrate... some will have to wait a little longer though, either way it is a concrete step away from Minsk and those dead worthless agreements that were supposed to solve things peacefully, and now it will be solved with blood... mostly orc blood.

A lot of people say that Western military district is fucked up in a major way, bar some units like 20th army. Especially, First tank army which should be the best one.

Professional jealousy or objective opinion... who knows.

As I keep harping on the ground forces were mobile forces not intended for standing and fighting enormous numbers of enemy troops... it takes more than Putin signing a piece of paper mobilising 300K new troops... they actually have to be deployed and positioned in places where they can have an effect which hasn't happened yet so how could it possibly be a way of saving Liman?

But obviously doomsayers don't need to worry about reality...

Tired of hearing territories fall, this is starting to feel more humiliating than pro-ukrainian fans finding out in a Russian military raid video catching the ukrainian commander getting fucked in the ass by a tranny.

This is nothing close to finding out how US military advisors give advice to the leaders of their meat shield battalions...

I'm not clear on why the Russian MoD is waiting on reservists.

If there are, let's speculate, 180k contractors active in Ukraine, shouldn't there be somewhere around 500k active conscripts ready for deployment to the front?

Stealthflanker wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1576274348322656256

This one is fancy.. basically something like Morfei but use infra red guidance.  Good news.. they're short ranged. bad news ? they're fire and forget and wont need specific radar for target engagement.  It also have higher performance than Strela. It might now threaten target at high altitude.

Fortunately.. Geran/shahid can decoy them

These work pretty well for small targets. Moderately effective against medium-sized drones, I would say.

I would imagine the US is providing Ukraine with the equivalent of a mobile C-RAM system, but that's not going to make the news.

Hey. I got a new theory which i thought of while listening to Martyanovs most recent video.

Maybe Russia is deliberately feeding the west some propaganda wins just to distract and give them a false sense of confidence. And a false feeling about the war in general. While they take their wee time assembling another army.

Or maybe some kind of deal was made and the US wanted a propaganda win as a concession..That's exactly what happened with the Cuban missile crisis negotiation. It is a bit out of character that the US rebuffed Zelenskys NATO entry bullshit. Plus the nord stream bombing was an act of war. Maybe there was some high level discussions. Maybe Putin made a real threat. Putin gets his regions , no nato for Ukraine. And NS2 is just forgotten about. A working agreement to avoid nuclear war. For now.

I'm not clear on why the Russian MoD is waiting on reservists.

Of course.... mobilise 300K and then just send in any troops on conscript service peeling potatoes in Sibera and other places... right.

If there are, let's speculate, 180k contractors active in Ukraine, shouldn't there be somewhere around 500k active conscripts ready for deployment to the front?

There are 25 million who have served in the last 5-10 years and are listed as reserves... how many million do you think the need?

These work pretty well for small targets. Moderately effective against medium-sized drones, I would say.

I would imagine the US is providing Ukraine with the equivalent of a mobile C-RAM system, but that's not going to make the news.

I suspect these escalations of air defence weapons will lead to an escalation from Russia... perhaps infrastructure in the west and the north of the country will need to be effected to reduce the rate of western weapons reaching the front.

Perhaps countries that supply weapons and money and training to Kiev should not get Russian energy exports at any price... including Uranium and gas.

Maybe Russia is deliberately feeding the west some propaganda wins just to distract and give them a false sense of confidence. And a false feeling about the war in general. While they take their wee time assembling another army.

Except they publicly announced mobilising 300K soldiers from the reserve so hiding that fact is going to be hard.

The west already has plenty of confidence.

Some economic hits would do more to damage that.

The politicians in Germany and Europe were worried about protests regarding Germany backpedaling and getting Russia to send more gas which might have required concessions... now the pipes are damaged they might think Germany will make no concessions and just go along with US bullshit escalation.

I would say hit them hard... Russia is breaking off from the west so do it now and do it hard... when the counter attacks start US politicians will be suggesting they use nukes, when ideally Russia wants Kiev to already be cut off from western weapons support either politically or physically by dropping bridges and destroying rail and road networks.

Or maybe some kind of deal was made and the US wanted a propaganda win as a concession..That's exactly what happened with the Cuban missile crisis negotiation.

In the Cuban missile crisis most of the nuclear weapons the Soviets had were in Cuba... the US only cared about a propaganda win and accepted a strategic defeat... jupiter missiles were removed from Turkey... which is what the Soviets wanted all along.

It is a bit out of character that the US rebuffed Zelenskys NATO entry bullshit.

Letting Kiev join HATO was never an option because they have no intention of directly fighting Russian troops... ever... most HATO leaders not from the Baltics or Pooland have already said as much... Turkey isn't even cooperating with the sanctions on Russia... why would it want to fight them?

People have the right of being apalled by the performance of command echelons in all the Russian services including the Navy. But there are also opportunities being presented, foremost the realization that things need to change in the overall organization, take out the bad blood, happened in 1942, it can happen in 2023.

Next is the fact that these humiliating losses have exhacerbated the need for taking up the arms and fight for the Motherland upon those that the RF will need in the future.

The military front might be a mess for Russia, but consider that NATO is loosing the economic and political war and there's a financial Divine Wind brewing up in the horizon for the NATO supply fleet.

Let them move further, let the horde impale itself from the impulse of their own hubris, after the storm, just sweep off the remnants.

People have the right of being apalled by the performance of command echelons in all the Russian services including the Navy.

This is not a democracy... pussy snowflakes demanding heads roll because some twitter troll claims to have the inside scoop and this or that Russian general is totally to blame like totally need to be careful what they say and how they say it.

Chicken little claims the sky is falling is just bullshit cowardice.

If you think performance can be judged before combat takes place then you are wrong. If you think during combat and on the internet is how this should be evaluated and discussed then you are also wrong.

Feel free to have an opinion and express your opinion but my normally boundless patience is running VERY THIN at the moment... ask Limb or Billy or Ark...

Two weeks was probably harsh I might reduce to 7 days but spamming panic during war time is going to be added to the rule book.

But there are also opportunities being presented, foremost the realization that things need to change in the overall organization, take out the bad blood, happened in 1942, it can happen in 2023.

Most of the members demanding heads roll were demanding Shoigu and Putins heads not that long ago...

Next is the fact that these humiliating losses have exhacerbated the need for taking up the arms and fight for the Motherland upon those that the RF will need in the future.

What humiliating losses... so far we think 500 Russian soldiers held back 10K plus Orcs for three weeks until eventually having to be pulled out... humiliation would require no escape and capture of said soldiers or for the numbers to be reversed.

Humiliation is 20 years at billions of dollars to leave Afghanistan worse off than they found it despite all of Americans wealth and power and HATO actually helping it... and more than that too there were Kiwi soldiers and other non HATO forces all trying to help out there and all for nothing... well a few Afghan immigrants in the west to add a bit of colour to the gene pool.

Mark Slebodas take on recent events in Ukropisstain.  Doomers need to watch and turn their brains on. Context is always vital when trying to understand the reality of what is happening, and what is likely to happen going forward.

500 defenders in Krasny Liman held up well over 10x their number for 3 weeks, inflicted punishing losses on the orcs, and were quickly extracted in a 24 hr period once the command was given.  Imagine what can be done with 300,000 additional troops in the theatre, plus relaxed rules of engagement for stand-off weapons.  

Comfy chair. Popcorn.  1.75 ltr bottle of Jack Daniels. Check x 3

Ha ha....Jesus this is gold worth.

Doomers who haven't even served in the military telling in war time who's heads should roll. You twats, if not for Putin and anyone who is a hardliner like Stalin would already put you in front of a red wall for daring to ask questions and agitating the population by trying to inflict panic amongst the population. That how it worked in the SU and many other countries.

You have not even held a weapon in your hands but are telling military experts how and what to do.

To summerize all that nonsense by the doomer's crew

- fanboy
- resign or hang Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov, Gerasimov and while at it the entire military operational head
- Just throw in Soldiers for Propaganda win
- I would do that and this

Winter is coming and like it seems is Russia is preparing the winter war. From one week over to another week almost all fronts have been pulled back with leaving a thin defenders force. The Ukrops didn't breakthrough and killed them. They were relocated. In eastern Europe winter starts a lot earlier than in central Europe. By the end of October to mid-November Snow will already fall. Ukrops right now are overstretching their logistical supply chains like several people have already told you. There will be little to no cover for the Ukrops as trees have by the time lost all their foliage. When everything is covered in snow every little drone will see every single movement of troops or mechanic. Fresh movement will be seen and old movement will be covered by new snow. Trench-warfare was already hopeless for the Ukrops and when everything is covered in snow soldiers will need to move to avoid frostbite and freezing, which will be a lot easier for drones to spot them a lot easier from longer distance.

We will see more deaths of Ukrops in Winter than we have seen in the last month on their stupid offensives. They are getting lured into position where the mechanized troops will be a lot easier to destroy. It will be very gory footage from drones of the aftermath of artillery. It will be a purple winter.

But please entertain me more with your military expertise.
Vann (Atlas),SiegHeil, Arky, Zoro and the other doomers, have you even served a single year in the military? I am amazed by so much military expertise on the internet. You by any chance have your military degree from YT comment section?

I'm sitting here and reading some of this bovine scatology posted hereon, some foolish and some outright idiocy. I don't reply when I read of how dumb our generals and senior officers are. I don't reply much at all but I do when needed.

Here's the true SitRep. We talk to our local boys coming home on leave. Moral is quite high and not a one of them criticize their superiors. Not a one says they lack equipment. Not a one complains of the joys of combat, the rusty nail taste in your mouth as someone is intent on killing you or you on killing them. I say nothing because regardless of the rank I now hold I am in no position to criticize the senior officers who are running the show.

But I will tell you about our lives personally since before this phase of the war started. We had four adopted children, two boys and two girls, all of whom were serving before 23 February 2022, long before. Late last year and early this year we lost all four of them. Can you imagine how my wife and I felt when within three months we put our four children to rest? I don't think you can. My wife knitted a beautiful lace cover for the face of one of our daughters after what 'they' did to her as they killed her. She was a field medic and helped all, side did not matter. We do know she fought hard but in the end they killed her.

We put all four to rest in dress uniforms with all their medals and awards, it was the best we could do for them. They are to rest locally and every few days we visit their graves, making sure the graves are spotless and their grave markers are clean and straight. We will never forget them, never abandon them. When my time comes, five years or less, I'll be beside them. When my wife's time comes, 25 and more years from now, she will be with us.

All this screaming and pontificating about who should do what in the war, give it a rest. You are wasting your time and any of us who have served and fought laugh at you. Y'all haven't a clue as to what it's really like.

Auslander

Humiliating in the sense that there's territory won at hard cost being handed over and civilians left to their fate, plus the now usual bragging from the histerical pro-Kiev crowd. But the big picture tells otherwise, mobilization is going at full swing, momentum will be gathered back, the Ukies are full of hubris, the Mid-Terms are coming, financial storm is brewing in the markets, energy crisis is at the doorstep.

The moment is soon gonna ripe for a total shitstorm down the NATO fools way and it's not gonna be pretty. Worrying is actually the moment when these people face the reality of their actions.

In the meantime, mend the mistakes and keep bullfighting with the dark forces. Time is on Russia's side as it always has been.

Thanks for sharing Auslander, and for whats its worth, you have my deepest sympathies and condolences.  Reading your post I admit to feeling torn.  Great sorrow for your losses, but also a rekindled hot anger against the fcking Ukrops who have embraced the hateful ideology of banderite nazis, and the souless ghouls in the globalist West who have been supporting the resurgence of such ideology, pushing this plan since 1991, and have dreamt about it for even longer.

None of this was necessary.  If it wasn't for the Atlantacist Globalists, their lust for planetary hegemony, and what seems like an eternal Russophobic hatred in the elites of both West and East Europe, none of this would have happened.  If its internal tensions could not be resolved, post-Soviet Ukraine could have been peacefully partioned between its two halves, but the Globalists want the whole cake all to themselves, and think nothing about fostering strife and conflict among others in order to get what they want.

As I get older, I am more certain that karma is real. If so, I suspect that the Collective West is going to end up in a total and complete collapse like the Roman Empire, and it will be well deserved.