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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:47 am

    zorobabel wrote:AFU captured Snigiryovka, one of the cities that voted to join the Russian Federation in the referendum.
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    AFU will according to this reach Kherson in 1-2 weeks. Russia gave up the advantageous positions at Inhulets river...the positions now are not fortified and the terrain is disadvantageous for Russian troops. If AFU reach Kherson Russia will have to evacuate the city because...wrong side of the Dnieper dunno difficult to hold during a battle!

    No reinforcements so far! Reinforcements would need minimum 5 -10 days to go in position. I hope for the people of Kherson region that Ukrainian forces are exhausted.

    But I'm sorry I'm only a 5th, 6th, 7th columnist....Russia is winning big! It's all a 5D masterplan!


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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:49 am

    franco wrote:More than 70 thousand people decided to sign up to volunteer through the "State Services".
    This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Chernyshenko.

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1577353045884674048/photo/1

    Pathetic, it should be at least 170k.
    Sad day for Russia.

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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:49 am

    Arrow wrote:It looks impressive.
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    It's not a laser! Natural phenomenon.

    Edit: on the other pictures it looks really like a spotlight and not like the natural phenomenon. Difficult to say...but I would say a laser beam (strange colour for a laser beam!) or a classic spotlight (Sodium lamp - yellow light).

    I would bet on a only pure civilian spotlight. Some other pictures looks more like light pillars (natural phenomenon).


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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:52 am

    Azi wrote:
    Arrow wrote:It looks impressive.
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    It's not a laser! Natural phenomenon.

    Supposedly.

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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:56 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Guys get a grip.
    Who cares about the territory? Losses is what the name of the game is all about
    If Russia has 500 troops defending somewhere who then manage to retreat without getting captured or ambushed, while the other side is even admitting over having 20k casualties over the past month from its offensives - so then do the maths yourself. Who is going to run out of troops first?
    Yes! Do the math!!!

    20k casualties in 1 month because of the offensive and let's say 5k from normal fighting.

    Great only 625000 Ukrainians left! Maybe in 2 years Ukraine is so depleted in manpower that it will lose the war...only if they have no additional mobilization waves! I think Ukraine can mobilize additional 500000 troops...but that's it!
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    Post  Regular Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:01 am

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    Z-Force BMP rescue's other BMP crew in danger


    One of the most insane armored warfare videos out there. Just like recent video of M113 set on fire by 30 mm that kept going with their crew burning inside.

    This one showcases that separatists have professionalism and heroism.

    Did BMP-1 really survive hit from Javelin? And that RPG that missed by few meters.
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    Post  Erk Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:01 am

    VARGR198 wrote:

    So seems those lights are to blind spy satelites

    Um there is cloud cover in the photo.

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    Post  Backman Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:24 am

    Mobilisation in Ukraine and Russia

    - Mobilisation was announced in Ukraine on February 25
    - A general one.
    - Interim results were tallied in early autumn.
    - About 300,000 people were mobilized.
    - In 7.5 months.

    - Mobilization in the Russian Federation was announced on September 21.
    - A limited one.
    - Interim results were tallied on October 4.
    - 200 thousand people (mostly people with combat experience) have been mobilized so far [GB: a further 70 thousand have reportedly volunteered outside the mobilization process]
    - In ~3 weeks.


    So i guess Russia was fighting the regular Ukraine army from February to August. Then this 300,000 came in from training in Germany. I don't think Russia foreseen a successful general mobilization happening in Ukraine. But it happened. I thought they might have got more than 300,000 in ukr. I've heard 500,000 kicked around

    Russia should have mobilized earlier. But better late than never. We just have to wait this difficult period out. And it better not be months. It can't be.


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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:28 am

    Backman wrote:Mobilisation in Ukraine and Russia

    - Mobilisation was announced in Ukraine on February 25
    - A general one.
    - Interim results were tallied in early autumn.
    - About 300,000 people were mobilized.
    - In 7.5 months.

    - Mobilization in the Russian Federation was announced on September 21.
    - A limited one.
    - Interim results were tallied on October 4.
    - 200 thousand people (mostly people with combat experience) have been mobilized so far [GB: a further 70 thousand have reportedly volunteered outside the mobilization process]
    - In ~3 weeks.


    So i guess Russia was fighting the regular Ukraine army from February to August. Then this 300,000 came in from training in Germany
    Aaaaa yes of course...300000 thousand Ukrainian soldiers in Germany.... completely invisible! I live in Germany....no 300000 Ukrainians!

    I read somewhere that Ukraine had a bit more than 700k (all kind of troops combined) soldiers...minus KIA they would have now ~ 650k now. I don't know how many WIA they have...must be a horrendous number.
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    Post  Erk Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:32 am

    Too many people here seem to forget that Russia do a military draft this time of the year, every year.
    Usually around 120,000 are drafted.

    Citizens are already expecting it.
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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:33 am

    franco wrote:More than 70 thousand people decided to sign up to volunteer through the "State Services".
    This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Chernyshenko.

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1577353045884674048/photo/1
    Are these additional troops later or part of the 300k?
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    Post  Backman Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:34 am

    ^ It is just another number to argue about. How many troops did Ukraine manage to get.
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    Post  Azi Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:40 am

    Azi wrote:
    franco wrote:More than 70 thousand people decided to sign up to volunteer through the "State Services".
    This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Chernyshenko.

    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1577353045884674048/photo/1
    Are these additional troops later or part of the 300k?
    These are additional troops! (source "Battlefield Insights")
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    Post  thegopnik Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:42 am

    i dont want to lose to this guy

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    Post  Backman Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:44 am

    Map from Telegram. The blue is what Russia has taken. The yellow is what Ukr has taken back. But this doesn't include Kharkov does it?

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    Post  Godric Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:54 am

    Russia needs to get it's act together and start counter attacking, all this is doing is increasing the moral of the nazi loving Hahols, Russia out numbers Ukraine heavily in tanks, artillery and aircraft and and Russia needs to start using this numerical advantage to start pounding them into the ground
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    Post  Erk Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:26 pm

    Godric wrote:Russia needs to get it's act together and start counter attacking, all this is doing is increasing the moral of the nazi loving Hahols, Russia out numbers Ukraine heavily in tanks, artillery and aircraft and and Russia needs to start using this numerical advantage to start pounding them into the ground

    Russia just annexed 20% of Ukraine to protect ethic Russians.

    I didn't see Ukraine annexing 20% of Russia with it's high morale Nazi's.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:12 pm

    Yes! Do the math!!!

    20k casualties in 1 month because of the offensive and let's say 5k from normal fighting.

    Great only 625000 Ukrainians left! Maybe in 2 years Ukraine is so depleted in manpower that it will lose the war...only if they have no additional mobilization waves! I think Ukraine can mobilize additional 500000 troops...but that's it!

    Lets do the math... the Russians attacked a much larger force of enemy soldiers and took 20% of the country and killed a good number of the standing army... to the point where they have had... what 8? mobilisations.

    The Orcs have started gaining terrain by committing their reserves and all the armour and equipment they could squeeze out of all of HATO, but they are losing troops even with numerical superiority because they don't have air power and their artillery support is tiny, whereas the Russian troops have air power and good artillery support.

    The Russians are going to boost their numbers and go on the offensive... I doubt they will grind them back... more likely encirclements and large numbers either captured or ground up into mince... I am sure they really don't care which.

    A force of 30 to 50K can push back a force of 5 to 15K simply through brute force of numbers but they will lose a significant portion of their men doing it against a well armed well trained and well coordinated force.

    When it is 50K vs 50K and one side still has artillery and air power on their side the numbers massively increase in losses for the weaker side in a modern conflict.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:58 pm

    A nice indicator of things is the intensity of propaganda.
    The more stupid, primitive, and overwhelming it is - the more you know that things are going in the opposite direction.
    There are some titles here, that ceased to differ from the Ukro newspapers.
    They are just reprinting the Ukro propaganda, in some cases in Ukrainian.
    It is easy for them, as they never have been Polish  Laughing  Laughing  and now we only see it clearly.
    Who is an end customer is rather obvious.
    For two weeks, those titles are full of crap about the Russkie mobilization progress.
    How they get rusty weapon.
    How they get a Mosin from the XIX century.
    How they have no place to sleep.
    How they must buy themselves food.
    The last one was actually funny : Russian recruits need tampons.

    It is sure that some fuckups are there, it is impossible to make a totally smooth doubling of the number of land forces in a month.
    Sure that it is possible that some detachments were located in places not organized fast enough, or complex enough.
    The part with rusty AKs was the best one, as they really opened some boxes that were mishandled, and the guns inside were rusty indeed.
    But what is not being shown, was a whole material covering this incident.
    Those were not the rifles given to the recruits, but the ones that were found not fit for it, and placed separately. The whole film shows dozens of boxes full of shiny, well maintained, factory-new rifles handled to the units, while those exposed as default are thrown away.
    A few boxes lie aside, obviously mishandled, with the green covering paint peeling off, probably exposed to humidity, maybe in some sunken warehouse or something.
    A "tampon" was placed on some unofficial list on some random TG channel, where people who claimed to have experience or are already being in action, share the knowledge. What will not be delivered to them as official equipment, but can be very useful. And yes, a tampon was among those - to stick into the barrel in case of heavy mud/rain conditions, as it saves a lot of maintenance later. Back in WWII, all the soldiers used condoms for the very same purpose.
    Oh my oh my oh my, just take a look - it is enough to be ignorant, to rage on any random matter!

    On the other hand, we witness for a while now, as the poor Ukro cannon fodder - and I really feel pity for them - are getting DP28 machine guns. Those were accepted for service in 1928!
    A Maxim machine gun is being handled to them - a weapon with M1910 index in the Russian army, as it was accepted for service in 1910!!!!
    A hundred-year-old weapon.
    Sure it is not a big deal if the weapon is well handled or NOS, but the DP28 was outdated in the 30s already. And the materials we have show obviously wear&tear of these guns delivered to the troops. Those are old, used pieces that should be melted.
    Giving that to the troops in the third decade of XXI century is a clear sign of desperation.
    It is not a fake, as those have been found on the battlefield, left in the tranches.
    They are - again - being fed by the jars of pickles they are digging from the cellars. Salo in a jar is back, just like in 2014!
    Oh sure, Russkie recruits don't have anything to eat, that is why they all parade with standard MRE in their hands.
    The same ones that are being provided in millions to the civilian population, for months now.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:57 pm

    thegopnik wrote:

    Is there a particular reason to be citing NATO mouthpieces such as Arthur Rehi or this History Legends guy, not that I watched him, but from reading just the description is enough to understand that he does nothing but accept the standard propaganda tropes anyway?

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:11 pm

    Azi wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    kvs wrote:The chicken little hysterics have no clue about the resource effort to secure every km of a 1200 km front.   They expect Russia to be exerting
    the same effort all along this line.  Instead Russian forces are doing the appropriate thing and controlling relevant territory while waves
    of Ukr cannon fodder expend themselves in PR "victories".   The armchair generals make up their own metrics of success and fail Russia
    for not meeting them.  


    I wonder what kind of fanboy remark you would make if the russians lost Kherson, not that I think they will but it would be funny to see the fanboys try to defend that one

    The largest settlement the Ukrainians have recaptured so far is Krasnyj Liman. Pre-war population - 20,000. And just a short advance from the front-line back in September.

    Quite a leap to go from that to Kherson, population nearly 300,000 and a regional capital.

    Why not suppose the Ukrainians will capture Donetsk, or hell Belgorod next?
    Largest settlement so far was Izyum with 50000 pre-war population!

    Belgorod or Donetsk is realistic! Thank God Russia has mobilized a few man, without an incursion would be highly likely.

    You think I'm crazy??? Then please explaine to me what is the difference between the new Russian territories and Belgorod? I don't get it! Are the new Russian territories not Russian enough? Only 2nd class citizens and 2nd class territory? So the life of someone in Liman is less worth than the life of a Russian in Belgorod?

    Where are the red lines? Moscow?

    Was Izyum ever fully taken by Russian forces?

    AFAIK it was always contested

    But either way, it was very much on the front-lines

    I should hardly bother replying about Belgorod. Regardless of whether there's a difference legally, there is a difference mentally, in that Belgorod is Russia proper, and any incursion of Ukronazis against it would cause floods of volunteers from all over Russia to start enlisting in the army, rather than trying to hide from summons as currently.
    The Ukrs for that reason won't be stupid enough to even try, even if they had the resources for it

    As for Donetsk, it has 8 years worth of defensive positions around it and a whole lot of territory for the enemy to take first.
    Neither it nor Mariupol would be given up. And these cities are too large to capture with a small force regardless. They would have to be surrounded first and then swept methodically.
    The enemy might try to go for some propaganda raid but I doubt they'll succeed at that. Again it's too far for them.

    And you're acting like a woman. With all this proliferation of punctuation and evident panic. Cut it out.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:20 pm

    Backman wrote:Mobilisation in Ukraine and Russia

    - Mobilisation was announced in Ukraine on February 25
    - A general one.
    - Interim results were tallied in early autumn.
    - About 300,000 people were mobilized.
    - In 7.5 months.

    - Mobilization in the Russian Federation was announced on September 21.
    - A limited one.
    - Interim results were tallied on October 4.
    - 200 thousand people (mostly people with combat experience) have been mobilized so far [GB: a further 70 thousand have reportedly volunteered outside the mobilization process]
    - In ~3 weeks.


    So i guess Russia was fighting the regular Ukraine army from February to August. Then this 300,000 came in from training in Germany. I don't think Russia foreseen a successful general mobilization happening in Ukraine. But it happened. I thought they might have got more than 300,000 in ukr. I've heard 500,000 kicked around

    Russia should have mobilized earlier. But better late than never. We just have to wait this difficult period out. And it better not be months. It can't be.

    Another panicky Ned

    If you can't handle things and have no patience maybe stop following the conflict for a while

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    Post  PhSt Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    I should hardly bother replying about Belgorod. Regardless of whether there's a difference legally, there is a difference mentally, in that Belgorod is Russia proper, and any incursion of Ukronazis against it would cause floods of volunteers from all over Russia to start enlisting in the army, rather than trying to hide from summons as currently.
    The Ukrs for that reason won't be stupid enough to even try, even if they had the resources for it


    This is what exactly needs to happen, a full blown Ukro Nazi invasion of Russia proper and tricking the Baltics and Finland to join the invasion. This will give Russia the justification it needs to take back its territory not just from the Ukro Nazis but also from the Baltic and Finnish Nazis who are currently occupying historical Russian territories. attack

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:45 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    I should hardly bother replying about Belgorod. Regardless of whether there's a difference legally, there is a difference mentally, in that Belgorod is Russia proper, and any incursion of Ukronazis against it would cause floods of volunteers from all over Russia to start enlisting in the army, rather than trying to hide from summons as currently.
    The Ukrs for that reason won't be stupid enough to even try, even if they had the resources for it


    This is what exactly needs to happen, a full blown Ukro Nazi invasion of Russia proper and tricking the Baltics and Finland to join the invasion. This will give Russia the justification it needs to take back its territory not just from the Ukro Nazis but also from the Baltic and Finnish Nazis who are currently occupying historical Russian territories. attack

    Uh

    Sure bud
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