Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:Mr CCP and longtime buddy of Xi (and any other Chinese head of state there has been) Henry Kissinger

hahaha Xi may change and may not .  Old fart talking suich shit is just showing that US is in dire shit now.


south china morning post is crap propaganda outlet similar to nezavisimaya gazeta. Same principles of "independence" . Try better next time.

The dimwitry has reached such levels that not the paid shills know how to land proper responses anymore.

It's your job dude. Put some effort in it - and no, the discrediting tactics won't work. He said the above at the Asia Society in New York dummy. You can look it up online.

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

If Blinken calls, well..maybe next month with de deputy foreign minister in a dusty meeting room in Nanjing.

Indeed. Try better next time.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Kadyrov announced the dispatch of several special regiments to the NVO zone in the near future

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15968271


TASS, October 5th. The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that in the near future several special regiments would be sent from Chechnya to the zone of the special military operation (SVO), which would be equipped with everything necessary. He stated this in his Telegram channel on Wednesday.

"We have good guys, special units. We send our volunteer guys every day. And in the near future we will send several more special regiments that are trained, equipped with all the forces and means necessary to carry out a special operation," he said. Kadyrov in a video posted on his Telegram channel.

BTW Ukrainian twitter army kept telling that Geran 2 / Shahed 136 drones dont work!  They forgot to decipher that indeed they don't but after they hit the target

vide barracks in Belaya Cerkov. Gauleiter of local administration:

"were able to get so far from the front line and attack targets located 100 kilometers from Kyiv, despite the dense air defense system located near the capital." The publication also publishes photos of fires after the drone attack."

   

https://t.me/rian_ru/180462

What does it tell you that the only 'Russian' game changing weapon system so far is a rudimentary reverse-engineered UAV imported from a third tier military, heavily sanctioned Middle Eastern country?

Seriously, it's embarrassing. The entire Russian military should get evaluated, and if necessary culprits thrown in prison. Starting with the two clowns at the top, dead-eyed Shoigu and Gerasimov

kvs wrote:Mercouris is trying to figure out why Russia is letting the Kiev regime forces gain ground without any push-back.   He notes that it is
strange that Russia has not been in a rush to deploy its reserves.

Maybe it has something to do with all the nuclear weapons threats from NATzO through the back channels and including the brainwashing
of NATzO residents with propaganda about Russian nuclear threats.   I think NATzO is desperate and ignorant enough to try to use nukes against
Russian forces in Ukraine.   This may sound wildly detached from reality, but not all that we see and think we understand is all of what
is going on.  

I believe that there are fools in the West who think that they can win a nuclear war, but I also hope that there is someone who is at least reasonable enough to stop them.
It is interesting that the West has such ideas, if they already have them, since they have been writing for decades that their planes and submarines, as well as everything else, are "light years" ahead of the Russians.
So the NATO pact (USA, GB, FRA) increases the stake and goes for submarines ? Great idea...



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Isos wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the mi-28 armed with atgm to destroy those vehicles in the open. They have the top mounted radar to even detect them from far away and hit them from 8km away staying above friendly zones where there is no manpads.

Instead they keep using artillery.

Total lack of ground launched atgm. Kornet should be the king of those open fields yet we haven't seen any footage of it being used against vehicles. The few video showed it against soft targets.

What do you want to write, that they are as bad as you wrote about Su-30 and Su-34  ?
As far as I can see from your comments in recent days, Russia is a "paper tiger" or ?
You didn't fall into the trap of becoming an armchair general, did you ?

Su 34 is shit.

Ka-52 proved to be very good but they use it more like a WW2 katyucha mlrs rthn an acual combat chopper.

There is barely few videos of atgm launched by russian forces.

Mi 28 is used but no vîdeo of it. Being armoured it should be the one attacking and getting close. Ka-52 isn't armoured.

You can be one dense motherfucker. Smart but sometimes ignore the most basic point.

There is an official MoD demand for lack of information.  You are aware that the Airforce is officially part of the Russian armed forces, you know that?

Anyway, there is plenty of news and videos and what not for Helicopter use.

OK, Isos, Su-34 is "shit"...
I have no intention of arguing with you except that I pray to God that Serbia never buys the garbage called Rafale...

Is there trouble brewing between Wagner Group and the Russian MoD?

CONFIRMED. Long history of authority undermining, harsh posts on the Wagner moderated TG groups. Also confirmed, Prigozhin's open criticism of the Russia MoD after the fall of Krasiy Liman. Also confirmed, Prigozhin's left hand Slobodenyuk arrested by the FSB. Allegedly for critizing Russian Military leadership. Video can be found online.

One of the Wagner groups' and senior confidant of Prigozhin, Aleksey Slobodenyuk was arrested by the FSB earlier in Moscow under the war time legislation for critcising the armed forces.

Reading between the line, it is speculated he was orchestrating the online criticism of senior members of the Russian military/siloviki via a network of Wagner linked telegram groups.

The fact the FSB filmed and released as well to demonstrate the arrest is something to ponder as well

And then we have this. UNCONFIRMED. A video from allegedly recently drafted Russian soldiers complaining about lack of everything, and how the Russian leadership is letting them rot...

https://mobile.twitter.com/markito0171/status/1577724987934666752

However, as someone in the comments section points out, some of them are wearing Wagner patches. Does this mean Prigozhin is running some sort of disinformation campaign against the Russian MoD?



Does Prigozhin have political ambitions?

Genuine question, so only genuine answers.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

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and you know it? and no-one else does. wow cool , did mom tell you that you're special?  Then you are      

I think it's time to turn off the computer, son.

Please don't forget to take your meds next time.

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Maybe it's time this forum introduces some sort of Kids Section where the dimwits can play around in the sandpit before proceeding to the adult room.

Are people here really seriously questioning the influence and weight of HENRY FUCKIN' KISSINGER on US (and Chinese!) foreign policy??!!

Goodness me.

sundoesntrise wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

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and you know it? and no-one else does. wow cool , did mom tell you that you're special?  Then you are      

I think it's time to turn off the computer, son.

Please don't forget to take your meds next time.

Why do you who doubt Russia always mention drugs to us "fanboys" ?

Podlodka77 wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

.

and you know it? and no-one else does. wow cool , did mom tell you that you're special?  Then you are      

I think it's time to turn off the computer, son.

Please don't forget to take your meds next time.

Why do you who doubt Russia always mention drugs to us "fanboys" ?

Because drugs can induce psychosis. And in the case of psychosis, taking meds can end the psychosis.

Remember how 8 months ago the 'experts' here would laugh you out of the room for not agreeing on their forecast that Russia would destroy Ukraine within days?

It's been a long ride. Now you get the same treatment for signaling that retreats on every front maybe doesn't mean Russia is winning. By the same people no less!

And not a speck of introspection.

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

If Blinken calls, well..maybe next month with de deputy foreign minister in a dusty meeting room in Nanjing.

Indeed. Try better next time.[/quote]

Empty talk in any case, the CCP understands very well that despite some narrative inhibitions, the Russian struggle against the West is its very own, since they are very much next in line in that neocon target list.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

Maybe it's time this forum introduces some sort of Kids Section where the dimwits can play around in the sandpit before proceeding to the adult room.

ooooo slums hero loosing his (or her or ladyboy) temper?

Are people here really seriously questioning the influence and weight of HENRY FUCKIN' KISSINGER on US (and Chinese!) foreign policy??!!

I question your knowledge since your "genuine" questions is just repeating propaganda from rado svoboda and Bielorussian "opposition" . Keep going keep going .
The more you talk the more you say about yourself

A ladyboy is a man wearing a dress, but nice of you to jump on the pronoun bandwagon.

Henry Kissinger didn't build up the CCP from the ground starting in 1971?

Slobodenyuk wasn't arrested yesterday?

Prigozhin/Wagner haven't been extremely critical of the Russian MoD?

At this point its just clownery for the sake of it.

Lapain wrote:

Empty talk in any case, the CCP understands very well that despite some narrative inhibitions, the Russian struggle against the West is its very own, since they are very much next in line in that neocon target list.

Yes, that's why they are now publicly undercutting Russia's effort, and have yet to supply a single cent, bullet or piece of sanctioned material to the Russians, instead squeezing out the Russians in terms of trade deals and security guarantees.

'as it's very own' - you clearly don't understand Chinese mentality or volksgeist. As can be shown in your rather ignorant post.

And don't say it hasn't happened before, unlikely as it may seem. The US has engineered Sino-Soviet splits before, with the same Heinz Kissinger as the main protagonist. What did he promise them back then again?

Hmm..


Here is the man himself bytheway, laying out the plan to shift the world's gravity of power from the US to China, in a 2017 speech at the Asian Development Investment Bank in SK.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OsQ2t_FmL7k&t=1s

At 23:10



It's getting confusing in here now, ey? Better hold tight to your simpleton worldview of 'neo-cons' and 'multipolarity' unless someone starts shaking that tableeeee.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

A ladyboy is a man wearing a dress,

I appreciate your coming out, at least here you can say thruth. But we are discussing on military forum not about your Asian preferences.

Henry Kissinger didn't build up the CCP from the ground starting in 1971?

I forgot he built China! yes and India too. And of course un like you Chinese cannot learn . Keep going keep going.

Slobodenyuk wasn't arrested yesterday?

Of he was,  right on  Shoigu's and Gerasiomov's  military funeral . News from the same sources.
Keep going keep going.

Prigozhin/Wagner haven't been extremely critical of the Russian MoD?

same with Kadyrov


Keep going , keep going

This is what a shattered worldview looks like, from a fanboy online no less.

Imagine what the psychiatric wards in Russia must be dealing with right now...

You should try Adam Curtis' documentary Hypernormalisation - once you get the psychosis under control that is. You are being played brother.

I've read posts made by sundoesntrise from several weeks ago to the present and its quite interesting how his narrative changed from initially  being pro Russian to rabid anti Russian that stinks of NATzO propaganda.

Another thing to take note is this bot's sudden active status, as if the sleeper account has been activated by command to spread disinformation and persuade readers to adhere to NATzO narratives in this war.

sundoesntrise wrote:
Yes, that's why they are now publicly undercutting Russia's effort, and have yet to supply a single cent, bullet or piece of sanctioned material to the Russians, instead squeezing out the Russians in terms of trade deals and security guarantees.

You talk as if you are stating facts, so similar to how NATzO create their own realities with such bullshit commentaries

sundoesntrise wrote:
And don't say it hasn't happened before, unlikely as it may seem. The US has engineered Sino-Soviet splits before, with the same Heinz Kissinger as the main protagonist. What did he promise them back then again?

Did the US sponsored Hong Kong and Taiwanese separatism back then? Did the US led an antagonistic block like the so called QUAD back in the day? You think the Chinese are stupid to trust whatever Kissinger "promises" them? You think you know Chinese mentality? Are you even Chinese? I used to live next door to China before and the Chinese are not a bunch of Idiots who will fall for such pathetic deception

sundoesntrise wrote:
It's getting confusing in here now, ey? Better hold tight to your simpleton worldview of 'neo-cons' and 'multipolarity' unless someone starts shaking that tableeeee.

You always have to invent something about how other people react to your Bullshit just so you will have an argument? You think Russia will just let your slimy NATzO thugs win? Maybe in your dreams

If Russia is not successful in liberating Pukraine, the Baltics, Finland and the rest of the former Soviet republics, then I hope they initiate a nuclear war against all of NATzO. A draw is always a better outcome than defeat. I hope you die too in the subsequent nuclear exchange you NATzO troll

sundoesntrise wrote:

Yes, that's why they are now publicly undercutting Russia's effort, and have yet to supply a single cent, bullet or piece of sanctioned material to the Russians, instead squeezing out the Russians in terms of trade deals and security guarantees.

'as it's very own' - you clearly don't understand Chinese mentality or volksgeist. As can be shown in your rather ignorant post.

And don't say it hasn't happened before, unlikely as it may seem. The US has engineered Sino-Soviet splits before, with the same Heinz Kissinger as the main protagonist. What did he promise them back then again?

How is Kissinger contradicting anything from what I mentioned? The world is shifting not only to China but EURASIA, that's precisely what he said. Guess which is the other massive piece of the puzzle in that part of the world?

You are giving too much weight to Kissinger, he might be heard in a respectful way in Beijing, but not in Washington anymore, heck he even made it into Mirotvorets. If you had been following the events recently, it is now crystal clear that the Anglo-American Axis will not abide to China's rise to the top, "NOT IN MY WATCH" the fella said. And Russia stands in the way between both.

kvs wrote:Mercouris is trying to figure out why Russia is letting the Kiev regime forces gain ground without any push-back.   He notes that it is
strange that Russia has not been in a rush to deploy its reserves.

Maybe it has something to do with all the nuclear weapons threats from NATzO through the back channels and including the brainwashing
of NATzO residents with propaganda about Russian nuclear threats.   I think NATzO is desperate and ignorant enough to try to use nukes against
Russian forces in Ukraine.   This may sound wildly detached from reality, but not all that we see and think we understand is all of what
is going on.  

But doing nothing is feeding the nuke story. Attacking would defuse it.

And yes. We really don't have a clue what's going on.

[quote="Isos"]

Podlodka77 wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the mi-28 armedbecoming an armchair general, did you ?

Su 34 is shit.

Ka-52 proved to be very good but they use it more like a WW2 katyucha mlrs rthn an acual combat chopper.

There is barely few videos of atgm launched by russian forces.

Mi 28 is used but no vîdeo of it. Being armoured it should be the one attacking and getting close. Ka-52 isn't armoured.

Stfu

The su 34 is a Flanker with side by side seating & a couple other things. The Flanker platform is proven.

Elon's keeping baiting ukrobots and fanatics it seems.

This is what exactly needs to happen, a full blown Ukro Nazi invasion of Russia proper and tricking the Baltics and Finland to join the invasion. This will give Russia the justification it needs to take back its territory not just from the Ukro Nazis but also from the Baltic and Finnish Nazis who are currently occupying historical Russian territories.

No need to lose bodies doing that... just wait 10 years and the economic collapse of Europe will mean a repeat of a few centuries ago when Europe had a mass exodus of people wanting a better life... the governments of the UK certainly sent their crims to the new world but there were plenty of others keen to find a better life too... leaving dead economies to find a better future for their families and themselves.

Freudian slip, some may call it.

Or predicting the near future...

It's been 2 weeks where's russias counter offensive?

It is behind you... didn't you hear the black helicopters?

Where are the mi-28 armed with atgm to destroy those vehicles in the open. They have the top mounted radar to even detect them from far away and hit them from 8km away staying above friendly zones where there is no manpads.

Instead they keep using artillery.

Artillery is faster and cheaper... an artillery shell covers its targeted areas in seconds or minutes.

Total lack of ground launched atgm. Kornet should be the king of those open fields yet we haven't seen any footage of it being used against vehicles. The few video showed it against soft targets.

So if we have not seen videos then it is not being used?

I would say soft targets outnumber hard targets in the nazi forces by 400 to one...

ATGM's have been used and are used far more frequently than we see. The guys at the front are not there for us military enthusiasts, arms chair generals as some sort of entertainment. They have better things to do than filming everything they fire. Footage comes mostly if they are ambushing or have free pass to film. Most don't film as it is prohibited and is distracting at least one soldier from his job.

I would guess all the aircraft with digital systems would be storing information on strikes, even just for debriefing to determine lessons and if the target was properly destroyed or not, which means sending it to HQ for collating stats on kills for the day, but that sort of stuff wont be released without permission.

They have been allowing the enemy some confidence to get them to over stretch... that would be countered with footage of their forces being demolished...

How long more panic, friends - how long ?

It seems to me that some people (westerners) here have a secret sense of Western "superiority" that I have to write something about. You are used to a good life, but at the expense of other countries. It seems to me that this is coming to an end.

Not enough panic here in the west sadly because western media is largely taken at face value...

Mr CCP and longtime buddy of Xi (and any other Chinese head of state there has been) Henry Kissinger is warning that China will move away from Russia.

The writing was already on the wall when every Chinese propaganda hack suddenly started blabbering about respecting 'territorial integrity' and 'internationally recognized borders' the moment annexation of the 4 Oblasts became the talk of the town.

Told you people not to trust them Changs.

This was to be expected because they don't want Taiwan to get any ideas from what they say to justify their own referendums.

They watched in 2008 when Kosovo declared independence and then South Ossetia and Abkhazia were talking about doing the same and the Russians opened their borders to both regions that Georgia felt compelled to act and we all know how that turned out for them in 8/8/2008...

More noise to try to split China and Russia from the west.

Bytheway, Kissinger and Associates still run the entire US foreign policy through private channels. They go straight over the heads of the DoD, National Security Council, etc. If Kissinger calls Xi meetings will be scheduled the next day. On the highest level.

If he is so influential then when he called for the US to get better relations with Russia to deal with the more vital threat that the booming Chinese economy represents to the US that Russia would never become (military threat only) and so his deep state ignored and went full retard on Russia instead... which pushed Russia and China closer together than ever.

To be clear that does not mean Russia will defend China in the South China seas and China wont defend Russia in Ukraine... but they wont sanction each other over anything either...

They have and respect each others different views on different subjects... I know... incomprehensible to any American or westerner...

What does it tell you that the only 'Russian' game changing weapon system so far is a rudimentary reverse-engineered UAV imported from a third tier military, heavily sanctioned Middle Eastern country?

Seriously, it's embarrassing. The entire Russian military should get evaluated, and if necessary culprits thrown in prison. Starting with the two clowns at the top, dead-eyed Shoigu and Gera

Actually your assessment is amusing... I rather suspect Iran has a rather more capable military than you would like to admit... their air defence and ballistic missile and drone capability seems to be rather good and upgrading their air force with Flankers will probably make them too dangerous for Israel or the west to tangle with if they are not there already...

Russia is in a bad place and their only solution is self castration and decapitation... your advice is noted.

I believe that there are fools in the West who think that they can win a nuclear war, but I also hope that there is someone who is at least reasonable enough to stop them.

Ironic... which country would be best equipped to survive a nuclear WINTER... not Europe.... and I think the US would struggle too...

Here in New Zealand we are well in to spring and have just had the heaviest snowfall since the 1960s...

Su 34 is shit.

Against a peer enemy with any sort of AD most aircraft are shit... what is HATO defence and attack based on?

There is barely few videos of atgm launched by russian forces.

There is barely any videos of atgm launched by russian forces released to the public.

Fixed for you.

Mi 28 is used but no vîdeo of it.

So you understand they don't release all their videos to the general public?

Being armoured it should be the one attacking and getting close. Ka-52 isn't armoured.

The Ka-52 is very much armoured, the idea of the side by side seating actually eliminates armour weight, which allows better armour in some areas.

In tandem designs you need side armour for both crew... which means four sets of side armour, but each crewman still only has one set of armour to their left and one to their right for four sets of side armour.

The Ka-52 has one set of side armour on each side of each crewman but only two sets of side armour are needed.

OK, Isos, Su-34 is "shit"...
I have no intention of arguing with you except that I pray to God that Serbia never buys the garbage called Rafale...

All aircraft would struggle against modern air defences systems... the orc airforce evapourated... and supplying the nazis with F-35s and Rafales is not going to happen because they know their super expensive ubermachines would struggle too and they don't have enough of them...

Is there trouble brewing between Wagner Group and the Russian MoD?

Trolling for more division?

Are people here really seriously questioning the influence and weight of HENRY FUCKIN' KISSINGER on US (and Chinese!) foreign policy??!!

He was a very influential divider that split the Soviets and the Chinese to the benefit of the US, but not so influential now because Russia and China have been pushed together hard because the US is more interested in making them both the enemy with the intent of destroying the EU and India... in the current war in Ukraine and the future war in Taiwan.

Why do you who doubt Russia always mention drugs to us "fanboys" ?

All of Americas vassals are medicated... part of their control mechanism... how else can you get Ukrainians to march slowly towards registered artillery swept fields?

Remember how 8 months ago the 'experts' here would laugh you out of the room for not agreeing on their forecast that Russia would destroy Ukraine within days?

I don't remember anyone saying that... in fact the only comments like that came from the west from previous conflicts... Allbright claimed Kosovo in a week didn't she?

Did the US sponsored Hong Kong and Taiwanese separatism back then? Did the US led an antagonistic block like the so called QUAD back in the day? You think the Chinese are stupid to trust whatever Kissinger "promises" them? You think you know Chinese mentality? Are you even Chinese? I used to live next door to China before and the Chinese are not a bunch of Idiots who will fall for such pathetic deception

The Chinese don't need the wests help any more... they are big boys now in the production game... they have a good solid economy based on production and they can trade for everything else they need... Russia for example are happy to sell energy and good healthy non GM food, there is plenty of room for healthy fair trade... something the west hates because fair trade would destroy their privilege.

If Russia is not successful in liberating Pukraine, the Baltics, Finland and the rest of the former Soviet republics, then I hope they initiate a nuclear war against all of NATzO. A draw is always a better outcome than defeat. I hope you die too in the subsequent nuclear exchange you NATzO troll

A nuclear war is their suggestion too... do you think that makes it a good idea for Russia?

When oil production is cut... well the trolls the west pays might be part of the pay cut when western economies collapse and have to start budgeting... the free money will become worthless... of course he is trolling and trying to sow division...

Something encouraging

By @стршеэдды:

"Russia is going to war. I would like to note that the preparation of Mob is in full swing. Maybe not everywhere, but in those places where I visit, the exercises are held as close as possible to the combat ones and the instructors are people who came directly from the front line. The men are in a great mood."