Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

Backman wrote:

I disagree. They have a whole country hostage. They are hiring all over the world for $2000 a day. That for a lot of brainwashed retards is enough. I don't think anyone should count on them running out.

2000 usd a day? That’s maybe for very niche specialists in the AD who operate NASAMS or Iris, but cannon fodder gets paid waaaaaay less. There are plenty of poles leaving UK (sinking ship) and soon they will be looking for any work to survive so NATO wouldn’t have to spend much. And I bet soon they will copy Wagner but over whole Europe and start sending dregs to fight. Endless stream of manpower, maybe spiced up with some radical Islamists (like chechens and azeris now)
Not sure about the ammo, but USA still has tons of reserve weaponry and ammunition, mostly old systems that they can spare, unlike Europenians. How much % of weaponry in stock did NATO sent?

It’s very naive to underestimate enemy when they are clearly willing to go all the way out to reach their goals.

Krepost wrote:

Anyways, Russian manpower reserves are far superior to Ukrainian ones.

I would love tho to see these manpower reserve to be used to protect Russians particularly in new territory. Because no one can stop reprisals from Ukrainian forces on their attack except Russian forces. Evacuation might look good but it is much better if these people does not need to evacuate at all and continue living in their respective settlement while Russian forces move deeper to keep the battle away.

Ukrainian soldiers post photos from the village of Kreshchenovka in the Kherson region, which was previously under the control of the Russian Armed Forces. At the moment, it is known that the enemy has concentrated all his efforts to break through along the road along the route Dudchany - Berislav, in order to reach the crossing at Novaya Kakhovka and thereby deprive the right-bank grouping of the RF Armed Forces of supplies through it. The reasons for the next breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in our opinion, are the neglect of incoming intelligence and the huge lack of personnel on the ground. If the first line of defense is overcome, the enemy does not run into new strongholds and is not met by an operational counterstrike of the reserve. No. He almost immediately gets a free passage forward to the next large settlement, which may be ten kilometers from the previous one. @milinfolive

PapaDragon wrote:

Krepost wrote:...- How are they going to grow the army? with 70 year old pensioners and 15 year old teenagers?

Younger the better

Killing geezers solves nothing, killing 15 year olds solves everything

Hahaha, a true pedagogue. You do sound like my PT teacher (he was Ukrainian btw)

In reality most of the mobilised Ukrainians are not that young and same goes with DNR/LNR guys they are mostly facing.

With the annexations, the whole theory of keeping Z alive to legitimize any surrender is pretty much out the window. So do we expect decapitation strikes after a short ultimatium?

The Russian reinforcements may not arrive for another few weeks or months . It is not magic that allows a force of 50,000 UA , that is determined , to concentrate forces and make gains in local areas . The Russian troops are not concentrated in this way in any particular area , but are trying to hold and defend a large territory , with about 120,000 troops , along a long front . Any territory lost , has to be regained later by fighting against entrenched troops at high cost . Therefore for now , the Russian troops already stationed in defensive positions , who are experienced , can donate ( volunteers ) , say a third of their forces , to form a mobile reserve , that will meet any UA offensives , by countering them . The photos from UA advancing troops , show lightly armed troops mostly , able to move fast . The Russian troops may suffer casualties at first , but fewer than allowing entrenchment and even heavier losses later . They will also not allow any psychological advantage of " victories " , for the enemy . And will save lives of Russian civilians also .

Have you noticed one tiny little thing?
Now, the Ukrs are advancing and gaining the territory, yup?
So where are the trophies?
Where are piles of captured stocks, long lines of full boxes?
Where are hundreds of damaged&left tanks, APCs, and other means of transport?
Where are the wreckages of Russkie airforce, that should not last for long now as we know the latest stats fresh from the bakery of Ukro propaganda dep? And we could not see those now only because of all of those fall behind the lines?
Where are the bodies?
Asking seriously. For months now, we could watch the Ukro corpses rotting everywhere. In the fields, in forests, tranches, basements, cars, trucks, burned inside the rusty APCs. Leks, heads and mutilated bodies everywhere.
Mariopol rubbles is full of remains of Ukro defenders.
So, where are the pics of a triumph?
Oh, yes, I remember - they have found one T-90M, so the whole bunch of the true sons of Goebbels had a week long fiesta, scratching each other balls to show a joy&triumph.
One.
Fine for me, so gimm'ie more!
Where are they? Where are to pillages of Russkie soldiers corpses? Columns of POWs? Some encouraging materials where they are cutting off the ears, or heads, or whatever?
I witness a serious shortage here.
So how the mighty offensive is really going, comrades?

Regular wrote:

Backman wrote:

I disagree. They have a whole country hostage. They are hiring all over the world for $2000 a day. That for a lot of brainwashed retards is enough. I don't think anyone should count on them running out.

2000 usd a day? That’s maybe for very niche specialists in the AD who operate NASAMS or Iris, but cannon fodder gets paid waaaaaay less. There are plenty of poles leaving UK (sinking ship) and soon they will be looking for any work to survive so NATO wouldn’t have to spend much. And I bet soon they will copy Wagner but over whole Europe and start sending dregs to fight. Endless stream of manpower, maybe spiced up with some radical Islamists (like goals.

I'm pretty sure that $2000 a day is what they will pay anyone with military experience who's willing to go to the front. Look at how many die ? They don't have to write that many checks. That is for living on location too.

Plus the US has spent 85 billion on the war. That's enough to pay grunts $2000 a day.

next few days will be interesting, hope Russia does not uspet the taliban for putting Russians instead of NATO forces on their national anthem.

03.10.2022
TsAMTO

Oleg Salyukov: all available samples, which are in service with the Ground Forces, have been tested in combat conditions


Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov. (This dude knows a lot more than we do)


TSAMTO, 30 September. All available samples, which are in service with the SV (ground forces), were tested in combat conditions during the military operation in Syria and are now successfully used in the SVO in Ukraine, confirming the high performance characteristics laid down in them.

Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces General of the Army Oleg Salyukov said this in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.

“There is no longer any doubt that the Iskander-M missile system is the best complex in its class in the world and is capable of using both ballistic missiles and cruise missiles from one launcher, leaving no chance for the enemy within a radius of up to 500 km. it is extremely mobile and secretive, while the modernization potential built into the complex and being implemented by us today will allow it to outperform foreign models of missile weapons for many years to come and remain the main model in the missile formations of the Ground Forces.

As for the means of military air defense, in the course of a special military operation, almost the entire main type of military air defense weapons is involved.
The greatest effectiveness was shown by modern anti-aircraft missile systems S-300V4, Buk-M2 (M3) and Tor-M2 (M2U).
The results of the use of military air defense systems confirm that the greatest burden of covering troops during the operation lies with medium and short-range air defense systems.
The S-300V (B4) air defense systems, the Buk-MZ (M2) and Tor-M2 (M2U, M2DT) air defense systems proved to be effective in combating enemy UAVs and MLRS.

In defeating suddenly appearing air targets at low and extremely low altitudes at the forefront, the Igla and Verba MANPADS have proven themselves well, which account for a third of the destroyed manned aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The analysis of the command and control system for the air defense forces of the groupings of troops, created on the basis of the automated weapons control systems "Polyana-D4M1" and "Barnaul-T" from the ESU TK, confirmed its effectiveness and the ability to control the forces and means of air defense in real time.

Thus, in the course of a special military operation, the high efficiency of the layered air defense system is confirmed, and the integration of various air defense systems in it makes it possible to hit all enemy air attack weapons, including small-sized UAVs and MLRS rockets.
In modern conditions, the successful completion of tasks is facilitated by the use of complexes with UAVs. The tactical level of the Ground Forces operates small and light reconnaissance systems with short-range and short-range UAVs, as well as short and medium flight duration.

In the course of a special military operation, complexes with UAVs "Orlan-10", "Orlan-30" and "Eleron-3" proved themselves on the positive side.

Samples of armored weapons showed high efficiency during a special military operation.

Thus, for the first time in combat conditions, the T-90M "Breakthrough-3" tanks are used, in which there is a commander's panoramic sight, which allows the commander to assess the situation on the battlefield on the same level as the gunner-operator. At the same time, this sight is combined with a remote machine-gun mount, which allows the commander to fire from his workplace at the enemy’s manpower both from a standstill and on the move, regardless of the work of the gunner-operator.
Also, in the course of a special military operation, tank support combat vehicles (BMPTs) are successfully used, which, being directly in the combat formations of tanks, ensure their combat operations. This is achieved due to the same high level of security and mobility as tanks, as well as the powerful multifunctional armament of the BMPT, which includes two twin 30-mm automatic guns, an anti-tank system with four Ataka supersonic missiles and two automatic grenade launchers.

In addition, the protected vehicles "Typhoon-K" and models of weapons and military equipment created on their chassis show high efficiency in combat conditions.
For example, the use of protected "Linza" ambulances during a special military operation, which are designed to evacuate the wounded from the battlefield under enemy fire, made it possible to save a large number of soldiers and officers.
Separately, I would like to dwell on the results of the use of new-generation Ratnik combat equipment sets, which are massively supplied to the Ground Forces and allow us to realize our main priority - to save the life and health of personnel.

The set of combat equipment "Ratnik (Warrior)" as a whole is at the level of the best foreign analogues, and in terms of protection of personal armor protection significantly exceeds them. With a 1.25 times lower mass, it has a 1.3 times larger area for protecting vital organs.
The full interview of O. Salyukov, timed to coincide with the Day of the Ground Forces, which is celebrated in the Russian Armed Forces on October 1, was published in today's issue of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.

https://vpk.name/news/636616_oleg_salyukov_vse_imeyushiesya_obrazcy_sostoyashie_na_vooruzhenii_suhoputnyh_voisk_proshli_proverku_v_boevyh_usloviyah.html

The village of Golovchino in the Belgorod region was shelled from the territory of Ukraine. A 48-year-old woman was killed. @voenkorKotenok


Sandu prepares military mobilization in Moldova This is reported by reliable sources of the @wargonzo project in Chisinau. According to our information, the curators have already instructed Sandu to work out the issue for a large-scale military mobilization in Moldova - in order to open an additional front for Russia together with the Romanian troops. The option is not ruled out that the Moldovan mobilized will be sent to fight in the interests of the UG terrorist group (“Ukrainian State”) in Nikolaev and other hot directions. @wargonzo

Pretty sure this was mentioned as a possibility before, but seems unlikely?

Serberus wrote:The village of Golovchino in the Belgorod region was shelled from the territory of Ukraine. A 48-year-old woman was killed. @voenkorKotenok

It's actually more reason to return to Kharkov. How long they will tolerate this ?. protecting the lives of Russian people should be primary job of Russian forces.

I know R-500's and Kalibrs routinely flying to Kharkov from Belgorod, still tho it is better if Ukrainian artillery cannot reach Belgorod or other Russian territory at all.

Sandu prepares military mobilization in Moldova This is reported by reliable sources of the @wargonzo project in Chisinau. According to our information, the curators have already instructed Sandu to work out the issue for a large-scale military mobilization in Moldova - in order to open an additional front for Russia together with the Romanian troops. The option is not ruled out that the Moldovan mobilized will be sent to fight in the interests of the UG terrorist group (“Ukrainian State”) in Nikolaev and other hot directions. @wargonzo

Pretty sure this was mentioned as a possibility before, but seems unlikely?

Direct participation of Romania part is kind of unlikely as they're a NATO member. Moldova in other hand are neutral. I wonder how many they can mobilize. Romanian tho may go with Moldovan uniform but if Russian intelligence is working..they will notice discrepancies there.

October 3, 10:05
Military operation in Ukraine

In the Kherson region, they said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not advance deep into the region

KHERSON, 3 October. /TASS/. The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) advanced along the Dnieper in the Kherson region, took several photographs, and then their movement stopped. Kirill Stermousov, deputy head of the region's military-civilian administration, told TASS on Monday.

“There was an attempt to break through, they advanced along the Dnieper. Everything is now being smashed, shot. They ran in, they were smashed there, they only had time to take a picture. It all ended there, there is no further progress yet,” Stremousov said.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15937673

“The Ukrainian army entered the LPR This was announced by an officer of the People's Militia of the LPR Andrei Marochko. As reported, Ukrainian troops were able to gain a foothold in the direction of Lysichansk.”

Bit of a strange statement as I thought they had already taken a village or town in LNR a couple of weeks back (Bilhirovka or something) . Possibly acknowledgment of this or maybe preparing the people for news of more lost territory.

Eurasia & Multipolarity

Alexander Dugin: "We are dealing with a barbaric, terrible force. There are no rules anymore, we are in a completely different phase of global confrontation. And we must realize that we can hardly resolve this crisis by soft negotiation. We must be strong, we must win, we must mobilize our entire society.
We laughed a lot at them. At Biden, who is out of his mind, at Zelensky, who is a drug addict, but the West attacks us very harshly, and sometimes effectively and painfully. This theme of mockery of the enemy has exhausted itself, we need to take this battle seriously.
A drug addict and a senile old man communicating with spirits is a facade. Behind this is the iron power of Anglo-Saxon and NATO civilization, the West, liberalism, globalism. This is the result of the last 500 years of their history.
They stand for their idea, a totally false and totally inhuman idea, but most importantly, we have no place at all in their world. We must realize that we are condemned, and no compromise can be reached with this terrible, dark, cruel force. We must be mobilized for this fundamental confrontation in order to save Russia, humanity, and the world in the end."

mnztr wrote:With the annexations, the whole theory of keeping Z alive to legitimize any surrender is pretty much out the window. So do we expect decapitation strikes after a short ultimatium?

No, because killing the leader of a UN member state comes with repercussions and no particular extra gains

Zelensky, from Russia's perspective, is doing a fine job wasting his manpower with human wave assaults on Russia lines, in the hopes of more propaganda victories he can sell to his Western benefactors

His replacement won't be any more compromising or inclined to negotiate than Z was, he'll be just the same puppet of Washington - but he may prove to be smarter.

Some comparative analysis of the opposing armies, strategy and tactics. Food for thought

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/03/ejercitos-enfrentados/

FP wrote " No, because killing the leader of a UN member state comes with repercussions and no particular extra gains .Zelensky, from Russia's perspective, is doing a fine job wasting his manpower with human wave assaults on Russia lines, in the hopes of more propaganda victories he can sell to his Western benefactors .His replacement won't be any more compromising or inclined to negotiate than Z was, he'll be just the same puppet of Washington - but he may prove to be smarter. "


I disagree strongly about not smoking all Nazis ( or UN or NATO or EU or  AU or OPEC or ASEAN or NASA or UNSC .... or the giant vegetable growing society or  .......at specific times )  and Russia correctly pointed out decapitation " decision making centres" as a means of defeating the Nazis . However it seems this fallacious argument has taken Root lately among some . Any participant in war , is legitimate target , clever or stupid , fat or thin , governmental or judicial or orderly cleaning toilet on Saturdays ! The more immediate their role , the more immediate the urgency . Putin should appoint several replacements , in the case he was smoked ! Keep their names secret . Need to destroy the entire group or class in power , all of them . Work your way up the chain of power , all the way ......


https://everything-everywhere.com/common-fallacies-and-fallacious-reasoning/

AlfaT8 wrote:

This psyop is really F'ing annoying.

The real annoying psyop is all the NATO useful idiots here and among the nationalist/right-wing circles who've all decided to become masters of military strategies and tactics, no longer satisfied with merely organizing purchases of UAVs and the like for troops on the front - and who are now busy disseminating NATO's propaganda for them to all who would listen.

As for the idiot on Youtube, he's speaking to an already propagandized Western audience of fanboys so who the fk cares.

nomadski wrote:



The Russian reinforcements may not arrive for another few weeks or months . It is not magic that allows a force of 50,000 UA , that is determined , to concentrate forces and make gains in local areas . The Russian troops are not concentrated in this way in any particular area , but are trying to hold and defend a large territory , with about 120,000 troops , along a long front . Any territory lost , has to be regained later by fighting against entrenched troops at high cost . Therefore for now , the Russian troops already stationed in defensive positions , who are experienced , can donate ( volunteers )  , say a third of their forces , to form a mobile reserve , that will meet any UA offensives , by countering them . The photos from UA advancing troops , show lightly armed troops mostly , able to move fast . The Russian troops may suffer casualties at first ,  but fewer than allowing entrenchment and even heavier losses later . They will also not allow any psychological advantage of " victories " , for the enemy . And will save lives of Russian civilians also .

It's not magic either that prevents Russia from assembling a mobile reserve of some 20-30k from among that 120k that they can deploy to whatever part of the front is under threat. Owing to their massive superiority in EW, artillery, air power and other means, they can probably get away with considerably less than that.

Again this is not the Franco-Belgian border with Germany in WW1 or whatever. You don't literally need to station your men equidistantly along the entire length of the front to achieve a guarantee of its even defense. Especially when your mobility and training is at a higher level than the enemy's owing to your far lesser casualties, air superiority and abundance of fuel.
This is not the way modern mobile warfare is fought, nor in fact how any war has ever been fought short of the post-initial stages of WW1 or here and there in WW2.

And that's even if you believe that Russia is suffering this huge manpower shortage that it can't address by any means short of mobilizing reserves because of course following orders is a voluntary matter in the Russian military and anyone who is stationed in the Far East or the Central military district, Caucasus or wherever else can simply refuse to take part if they don't feel like it. And 90% of them don't feel like it, leading to a situation where Russia has nobody to rotate in or use to plug any gaps with.

So I am sorry but I will have to dismiss your theory and all similar ones.
The present-day situation is intentional and we will find out in due course just what the big idea is. In the meantime, I would ask the usual doomsayers and critics to be more conservative and humble when it comes to offering strategic advice.

DPR and LPR are part of the Russian Federation within the borders of 2014, in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the issue of borders will be resolved in the course of further discussion, - Peskov

"I'll tell you in a less legal language: the LPR and the DPR (part of the Russian Federation) within the borders of 2014. Kherson and Zaporozhye - we will continue to consult with the population of these regions along the borders," Peskov told the media.

Anyone have ideas of what this is suppose to mean,  potentially changing borders rather than liberating the entire Oblasts (Kherson and Zaparozhye) or leaving it open to make deals to do it? There was some confusion on Russian channnels when the document was signed by Putin which was worded strangely and they thought the same, now Peskov says this.

Serberus wrote:

Anyone have ideas of what this is suppose to mean,  potentially changing borders rather than liberating the entire Oblasts (Kherson and Zaparozhye) or leaving it open to make deals to do it? There was some confusion on Russian channnels when the document was signed by Putin which was worded strangely and they thought the same, now Peskov says this.

That means, citing Putin, that sometimes he has no bloody clue what the fuc#k Peskov is saying, and who told him to say it.

There are legal documents out there (Kremlin page?) which state that the borders of the new/old Republics/Regions will be the ones they had in the USSR = the ones they had under "Ukrainian" occupation from 1991 to 2022.

Krepost wrote:- New plan:
- Force, entice and encourage them to come out and attack the Russian Army to "free the land from ze evil Russky occupiers".
- How to implement the plan?
- Thin out the Russian lines and make sure that NATO intelligence means (satellites, electronic surveillance etc.) see it happen.
- Get the Ukrainian soldiers and equipment to get out of the cities, trenches etc and launch attacks
- Retreat when the Ukies attack while pounding them with artillery and air force
- Retreat, retreat and retreat again to encourage Ukrops to venture even further from their defensive positions in cities and trenches
- Get their logistics and supplies stretch out.

Well, the UkroNazis in the North-East and the South by now got a long way to run back to their human shields in Kharkov, Nikolaev and Odessa.