Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

zorobabel wrote:Cannot understand why Russia waited so long to mobilize and allowed these atrocities to occur: https://twitter.com/V_Zemlyak/status/1579533471651069952

Because this is a game of chess, not checkers with high-risk consequences and long-term impact if you don't carefully weigh and anticipate every move of your opponent. As cruel as it may sound, these people are unavoidable pons to avoid checkmate; and checkmate would have ended with a much larger casualty count.

Reacting by solely emotion makes you do stupid things.

famschopman wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Cannot understand why Russia waited so long to mobilize and allowed these atrocities to occur: https://twitter.com/V_Zemlyak/status/1579533471651069952

Because this is a game of chess, not checkers with high-risk consequences and long-term impact if you don't carefully weigh and anticipate every move of your opponent. As cruel as it may sound, these people are unavoidable pons to avoid checkmate; and checkmate would have ended with a much larger casualty count.

Reacting by solely emotion makes you do stupid things.

Also, when you are up against the World's number 1 power you have to take into account what the rest of the World thinks, to try to keep them on your side, which will matter long term.

Su-35S with R-37M. Can´t confirm if this is some random pic or related to the current conflict.

Sat pic of Kiev today. There should be more smoke. 

Medvedev. Now it´s Kadyrovs turn again. Good old game of bad cop and... very bad cop. 

ALAMO wrote:

Belisarius wrote:
Chronology of Arestovich quotes:

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29272

There was one even better from him, as "day when Russkie will release more than 40 missiles will never come".

According to Rogozin Russia produces around 50 cruise missiles daily. 

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

Belisarius wrote:
Chronology of Arestovich quotes:

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29272

There was one even better from him, as "day when Russkie will release more than 40 missiles will never come".

According to Rogozin Russia produces around 50 cruise missiles daily. 

That would be 1500 per month. Hardly believable.

Remembering when some of you were blasting Elon, lol. I might try to dig up the usernames, just for kicks and giggles.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1579869313535995904

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

Belisarius wrote:
Chronology of Arestovich quotes:

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29272

There was one even better from him, as "day when Russkie will release more than 40 missiles will never come".

According to Rogozin Russia produces around 50 cruise missiles daily. 

That would be 1500 per month. Hardly believable.

Why?

They've expended several thousands on Ukraine so far, and in the last couple of months had to severely ramp up production to keep the strategic reserves stocked too. Remember, Ukraine is still an "SMO", so it's not prioritized the way some people believe. Actually, that's the main, recurring point of criticism from pro-Russians.

I find it really quite funny how the general discourse is that pro-Ukrainians think Russia really went "all-in" and failed somehow, while pro-Russians are pissy that they *haven't* gone all-in.

As we have seen, evidence rather favors the latter camp. Somehow there are always many hundreds of cruise missiles readily available when something particularly ticks the Kremlin off. They're just being incredibly soft most of the time.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

Belisarius wrote:
Chronology of Arestovich quotes:

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29272

There was one even better from him, as "day when Russkie will release more than 40 missiles will never come".

According to Rogozin Russia produces around 50 cruise missiles daily. 

That would be 1500 per month. Hardly believable.

Why?

They've expended several thousands on Ukraine so far, and in the last couple of months had to severely ramp up production to keep the strategic reserves stocked too. Remember, Ukraine is still an "SMO", so it's not prioritized the way some people believe. Actually, that's the main, recurring point of criticism from pro-Russians.

I find it really quite funny how the general discourse is that pro-Ukrainians think Russia really went "all-in" and failed somehow, while pro-Russians are pissy that they *haven't* gone all-in.

As we have seen, evidence rather favors the latter camp. Somehow there are always many hundreds of cruise missiles readily available when something particularly ticks the Kremlin off. They're just being incredibly soft most of the time.

And these are all types of cruise missiles, not just Kh-101.

Look at this big bastard drone that the Chechens seemed to catch intact https://t.me/brianlovethailand/912

10/11/2022

"Osa" again stings the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass


Anti-aircraft missile system "Osa-AKM".
Image source: https://kupol.ru/



“We went to the point, saw the target. She was very big. They took her to the machine. Start is immediate. They immediately shot down and rolled to another position. We only found out the next day that it was the twenty-fifth “drying,” says the operator of the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system.

Today, crews of the Osa-AKM military anti-aircraft missile systems of the air defense units of the Russian Armed Forces perform combat missions of covering motorized rifle units from an enemy air attack in the zone of a special military operation in Ukraine on a daily and round-the-clock basis.

Carrying out air defense, Russian anti-aircraft gunners control the skies over the Donbass, protecting not only the grouping of the Russian Armed Forces, but also civilians from air strikes and air sabotage by the Ukrainian regime.

The anti-aircraft gunners themselves, who operate the Wasps, note that anti-aircraft missile systems are mainly designed for drones, including Turkish Bayraktars. Of course, for the Wasp, the downed fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a special case and a big military victory for its calculation.

The Osa-AKM all-weather anti-aircraft missile system is a modernization of the Soviet Osa complex, developed and manufactured by the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol. The Osa-AKM complex was created to provide air defense for the Ground Forces.

The combat vehicle is equipped with six 9M33M3 missiles and can destroy targets flying at speeds up to 500 m/s, at an altitude of 10,000 to 5,000 meters, and at a range of 1.5 to 10.3 km.

The Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system is a self-propelled launcher, a station for detecting and tracking targets, anti-aircraft missiles and a transport-loading vehicle.

"Osa-AKM" can conduct effective fire not only on moving targets, but also on targets "hovering" in the air. The missiles of the complex have a modernized fuse, which allows hitting targets at almost zero altitudes. The Osa-AKM combat vehicle is autonomous and can independently detect, identify and fire at air targets in any weather and combat conditions.

Inside the machine, everything happens in seconds: the target detection station detects the object, determines its type, then the operators press the "Start" button. Then everything is done by automation. After that, the calculation of the "Wasp" will have to confirm the destruction of the target on the television-optical sight. The most dangerous targets can be fired on simultaneously by two missiles.

The Osa all-weather self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system is capable of performing its tasks even in the face of significant enemy electronic countermeasures.

It is worth noting that 2021 marks the 50th anniversary of the adoption of this, without exaggeration, the legendary product of the domestic military-industrial complex. But, despite the venerable age, the combat "Wasps" continue to serve in the Russian Army and the armies of many other countries of the world.

It is noted that more than 500 Osa anti-aircraft missile systems still remain in service with 15 countries of the world - Algeria, Libya, Jordan, Poland, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and other states.

According to experts, in total, more than 1,790 anti-aircraft missile systems of the Osa family were propduced at Kupol.

https://vpk.name/news/640144_osa_vnov_zhalit_aviaciyu_vsu_na_donbasse.html

I admit, those memes are only getting better with passing hours



Still, I liked "The butcher of Aleppo" best!

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Why?
They've expended several thousands on Ukraine so far, and in the last couple of months had to severely ramp up production to keep the strategic reserves stocked too. Remember, Ukraine is still an "SMO", so it's not prioritized the way some people believe. Actually, that's the main, recurring point of criticism from pro-Russians.
I find it really quite funny how the general discourse is that pro-Ukrainians think Russia really went "all-in" and failed somehow, while pro-Russians are pissy that they *haven't* gone all-in.
As we have seen, evidence rather favors the latter camp. Somehow there are always many hundreds of cruise missiles readily available when something particularly ticks the Kremlin off. They're just being incredibly soft most of the time.

First, we must determine what hides behind "cruise missiles", because, considering the competency level of regular sources, that can be everything.
Russkie have established production lines for several types of PRECISION missiles, and some of them are cruise per definition. If we calculate the Calibrs of all types, Ch-101, Ch-102, Ch-555 ... it will turn out that hundreds a month is nothing really bizarre.
All naval missiles are de facto cruise, which makes Bastion that would have been at the peak of its production, Zircon that is warming up ...
Add to that Iskanders, guided missiles for Tornado, Ch-59, Ch-32, Ch-58, Izd. 305 etc - and tens of hundreds per month won't surprise anyone already.

@ukraine_map
The first IRIS-T SLM Air Defense System from Germany has now been delivered to Ukraine and it has 3 Launchers with 24 missiles

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1579849243472592898

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Even if I spent 10 kamikaze drones for each of these systems, I would attack just to demoralize them...

Another HARM forgot to tell the Russkies that it is so fast&furious badass ...

https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/55052

Just let them shoot itself down ... How outrageous!

Edit : seems that SBU run amock today, arresting people for filming the effects of the strikes. Ouch that really must have been painfull

Surovikin seems to be asking Zelensky.



and new video from BB....

ludovicense wrote:
@ukraine_map
The first IRIS-T SLM Air Defense System from Germany has now been delivered to Ukraine and it has 3 Launchers with 24 missiles

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1579849243472592898

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Even if I spent 10 kamikaze drones for each of these systems, I would attack just to demoralize them...

Tough target for them, they are mobile.

ucmvulcan wrote:Agree and disagee.  I agree that we should have seen a good 2 weeks to a month of these strikes in Feb with about 200-300,000 troops ready to go and that Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, Nikolayevsk etc should have been been liberated then.  

I disagree that Putin was wrong. Part of making plans is intel.  I think the plan was sow chaos and confusion around the capital and the governments of Kharkov, Odessa and elsewhere as well as the people there being mostly ethnic Russians would quit Ukraine, and so they would not need that many troops, which explains why they only attacked with 70-120 thousand troops. 

Pain dial. In hindsight 90% tell you that Russia should have gone in with 500.000+ soldiers but back in Feb/March only a minority would have supported such a "drastic" approach. Now everybody stand behind the mobilization and Kaliberization.

Not sure how these German systems are much better than Ukrainian strela-10 systems though

Russia's SEAD/DEAD is extremely average since they lack decoys like MALD/ITALD

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:As we have seen, evidence rather favors the latter camp. Somehow there are always many hundreds of cruise missiles readily available when something particularly ticks the Kremlin off. They're just being incredibly soft most of the time.

Russia launched more cruise missiles in the last 2 days then the Americans in their famous Desert Storm.

Russia always produced large ammounts of missiles, back in the 70s and 80s there were the Kh-22 and KSR-5 and KSR-6 and so on. Today the weapons of choice are Kalibers, Iskanders and Kh-101 + all the other stuff they have. For the Russians a ballistic or cruise (and now hypersonic) missiles is "just" another sort of ammo, like ATGMs or laser-guided artillery grenades.

Reaction of some folks is really funny. If the Americans use cruise missiles it´s the way to do it. You don´t bring your airmen into harms way. Precision strickes and so on. If Russia does it it´s a show of weakness. They don´t have air superiority, are afraid of AD... 

RTN wrote:Russia's SEAD/DEAD is extremely average since they lack decoys like MALD/ITALD

No real need if radars are on trying to detect missiles